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New To Reloading - What setup?

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In the effort of not spending more than I need to I have been looking at a Lee breech lock reloading kit with Lee dies. I can get started with everything, including primer, powder, and bullets for ~ $400.

The other kit I was looking at was the Hornady single stage, but the kit is ~ $200 more than the Lee along with the dies being much more. Probably cost me an extra $300 with dies, etc.

I will be reloading 223, 308, 45acp, and 9mm. All of my pistols and rifles are semi-autos. So should I spend the extra money on the Hornady kit or is it just a waste and go with the Lee? TIA for your input!
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

Your best buy is the RCBS RockChucker kit. I typically don't recommend the kit, but for your calibers, it will be good. You'll need to convert the powder measure for pistol. You'll need dies, and the .223 and .308 will eventually require a trimmer. Lee makes a cheap one, but Wilson makes the best.

The Hornady kit is the same price and gives you less.

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Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

Its the same type of experience, going from a rock chucker to a forster co-ax.
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Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

Thank you for the input, so with the RCBS setup would it be best to use RCBS dies or could I use Lee dies? The Lee dies are so much cheaper and reviews seem to be decent on them. Also what type of dies would I need for the .223/.308 autoloaders? I see some kits are 3 piece dies and some are two piece?

I understand the adage of buy once cry once but again I don't want to waste money when the Lee stuff is GTG.

Thank you again for your help!
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Strickland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a brand new Dillon RL 550 for sale here on the hide. </div></div>

I want to start with a single stage first so I get the hang of everything.....
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can use a 550 as a single stage. That is what I started off with first. Then I got a Co-Ax </div></div>

Still more than I want to spend.

Anybody know what type of dies I will need for loading .223 and .308 in AR type rifles? I see many different types of dies. TIA!
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

I would get the 3 die sets. If you ever use brass fired in other guns (stuff you pick up at range, Lake City brass, etc you'll need the FL sizer). You will also need the Lee Crimping Die for both since its going into autoloaders. You may also want to get a headspace gauge and the RCBS trim die (make sure it's RCBS as it's the best there is for the trim die).

If you were using bolt guns, you would only need the 3 die set.
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

If you go with the Lee dies, understand that you'll want to replace the lock rings with some that can be permanently locked so that your adjustments won't be lost. Hornady's are a cross-cinch design, preferred by reloaders, and are available in packs of six. Forster's are of the same design, but are aluminum. Lyman also has a cross-cinch design available.

The dies have the greatest influence on your loads' consistency; this is to state that Lee has high variation in their production. If you have a good set, they're OK. Redding and Forster have the tightest tolerances and some better designs. You don't need, or want, neck sizers for auto guns. Your best choice might be Forster's standard die sets. Forster has a <span style="font-style: italic">National Match Set</span> for the auto .308.

Any recommendation for Lee products comes with an implied <span style="font-style: italic">for the price</span>.
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rommel500</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can use a 550 as a single stage. That is what I started off with first. Then I got a Co-Ax </div></div>

Still more than I want to spend.

Anybody know what type of dies I will need for loading .223 and .308 in AR type rifles? I see many different types of dies. TIA! </div></div>

Here is how I look at it and how I justify the purchases. If you shoot enough and will be reloading a lot, it's worth it in the end to go with the better equipment. Because it will be more expensive to buy cheap now and then upgrade later on. Most of the Lee stuff I have bought have been replaced with something else better, except for my 40S&W die set, because I don't shoot or have a pistol in 40S&W. My Lee hand primer has been replaced by a RCBS universal hand primer, don't use my Lee FCD as it's not needed for what I do and the Lee universal decapper is in a landfill somewhere.
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

About the dies you have listed, I would choose the Redding dies. In addition, if used in an autoloader, I would get the Lee Factory Crimp Die.

Most (if not all) sizing dies come with a decapping stem/pin as part of their assembly. I've not tried to decap any crimped primers (from once fired military brass) with my Redding dies yet, but my Lee dies decapped them just fine with no breakages.

As far as case trimming is concerned, stay away from the Lee trimmer/lock studs. You'll get blisters from using it. Get either a lathe type trimmer or an electric powered one. Also, with the lathe type trimmers you can get a drill attachment for them and speed the process up some. I've not used one in this manner though, since I have a dedicated motorized trimmer. As far as I'm concerned, a motorized trimmer is a must if you reload for an AR. Spendy, but worth it.
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rommel500</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the effort of not spending more than I need to I have been looking at a Lee breech lock reloading kit with Lee dies. I can get started with everything, including primer, powder, and bullets for ~ $400.

The other kit I was looking at was the Hornady single stage, but the kit is ~ $200 more than the Lee along with the dies being much more. Probably cost me an extra $300 with dies, etc.

I will be reloading 223, 308, 45acp, and 9mm. All of my pistols and rifles are semi-autos. So should I spend the extra money on the Hornady kit or is it just a waste and go with the Lee? TIA for your input! </div></div>

Go with Lee. I'm a college student with limited funds and I reload 3 calibers. As you will find out there will be favorites as far as brands go, but customer service and compatibility will be big parts down the road. A good single stage for precision rifle is always good so you could go with a Lee Breech-lock Challenger press. I wanted to go slow so I used it for pistol and rifle until I got it all down. I moved up to the Classic Turret Press and that can be made semi-progressive or run like a single stage( turn off the auto-index). This is a more economical route if you don't want 2 presses.

Hope this helps.

Ps- Don't buy the zip-trim. I have one I don't use I can send to you for $10 shipped. Another member here helped me out so I'm paying it forward.
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

"Go with Lee..."

rommel500, ditto to the Perforator. And I say that as an owner of a Rock Chucker and a Lyman turret. But, don't get a KIT, there are better tool selections than are included in any makers kits.

Instead, get the Lee Classic Cast press; it's big, cast steel and very strong (likely stronger than my RC), very precisely made in the USA on CNC machinery. It has a MUCH better lever system than mine, the spent primer catcher actually works and it costs MUCH less than its competors even tho it's the superior press in its class. IMHO.

Avoid any breech-lock "quick swap" die system tho, not Lee or Hornady. If you didn't put one of the extra cost bushings on each die you own they become an added frustration for die swapping rather than a help. Really pointless, and an added expense for no real gain. IMHO.

Every maker on the market produces good dies. Dispite the cost differences, Lee die's work as well as any other common dies. The differences in brands are found in small variations of user features and external finish, which we pay for but get nothing but "purty to look at". Some like one feature, some like an other but, inside, where the ammo is made, there is precious little average difference in brands. In fact, I've found as much difference between dies of the same maker as between brands, at least for the common types. Even the much more expensive "Competion" type dies offer very little advantage over common dies, which are after all quite good. IMHO.

I have dies from at least ten makers, some from all current brands and more, all but Dillion anyway and that simply because I've never found them locally when I needed them. But, from that experience, I have no strong brand preference. They all work fine if I know what I'm doing, nothing is much good if I screw up.

Some folks don't like Lee's "O" ring locking system, some prefer it. I don't care. I never found setting or re-setting dies to be much of a chore. It ain't rocket science so I really don't much care what lock rings I use or if they should slip while installing or removing them. IMHO.

Use the list of tools in a kit and pick out what you need individually.

Forget any digital scale, good ones are costly and not a whit better for measuring powder than a beam type. I think the current Redding is the best dollar value but the RCBS 505 scale is also an excllant lower cost tool. IMHO.

IMHO = an effort to not rub fur the wrong way.
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

If you're looking to be economical, pick up a Lee Classic Cast press. Strong as an ox. I'm not real crazy about some of their other models. Their dies are quite capable of producing an accurate round. I'm less than 1/2 moa At 200 with a Classic cast and Pacesetter dies with my 300wm Sendero, and I suck fundamentally.
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

Thank you everybody for the great info and replies!!!

Now I am somewhat leaning towards a RCBS rock chucker supreme kit but maybe I will source my own kit as well..... I was also looking at a forster classic case trimmer kit, it comes with the case holders and is reasonably priced. Anybody suggest a good case trimmer for the novice loader?


Do I need a crimping die? I have read some people prefer to crimp and some do not? What is the consensus on here for AR .223 and .308 loads?

I am looking overall to keep my costs at ~ $500 and below to get everything I need.
 
Re: New To Reloading - What setup?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rommel500</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you everybody for the great info and replies!!!

Now I am somewhat leaning towards a RCBS rock chucker supreme kit but maybe I will source my own kit as well..... I was also looking at a forster classic case trimmer kit, it comes with the case holders and is reasonably priced. Anybody suggest a good case trimmer for the novice loader?


Do I need a crimping die? I have read some people prefer to crimp and some do not? What is the consensus on here for AR .223 and .308 loads?

I am looking overall to keep my costs at ~ $500 and below to get everything I need. </div></div>

I have not crimped a single AR round ever and I have bullets with a cannelure. I think if the neck tension is good, your rounds will be fine loaded to mag length.

As for the digital scale, look into the MTM Reloading scale. I got it for like 30 bucks and it works just fine. I dropped it on the kitchen floor and it started giving me crazy ass readings on the calibration weight.I called up customer service and they told me to pitch it and overnighted me a new one @ no charge. Had it for 5 years and not a problem or drop since. Mini-Digital Scale- https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page...t&Itemid=41

Case trimmer- Lee Zip trim (PM me your address) or get the power drill kit so you can trim in front of the boob tube like I do.