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Have any of y'all seen the new gear that trijicon has come out with for 2012 yet. Looks like they have a new model reflex sight called the SRS that seems to be a major Aimpoint competitor as well as their new TARS scope. Both look really badass but I have no idea of the price point or when they will be commercially available.

Go check out www.trijicon.com and look at the products section. Bad ass gear.
 
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Holy Sh*t! Almost 4K for that scope???!! Somebody is drinking over there. Do they not realize you can get a custom S&B PM II for less than $3500?

As for the SRS, I could get 2 or 3 aimpoints for that price. How dissapointing.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am sorry but they are absolutely high on crack if they think that TARS scope is even worth half of that. I handled it at SHOT and it is no S&B, not even close.</div></div>

Are you kidding me ?

I have no idea what you guys were looking at but the TARs was a tank with absolutely awesome glass, bulletproof internal, with something like 150 MOA without the need for an aggressive base. The internals were some of the most impressive internals i have ever seen, in fact the scope is designed to equal the durability of an ACOG, try that with any other day optic.

Did you need see that super thick dual objective lens ?

A 100% American Made, American Designed scope and not just saying that, but meaning that. They are THE only one actually using US Schott Glass from Rochester NY, nobody does that for anything other than prototyping.

Let's face it, the only complaint any of you have is, the scope is priced out of your price range.

Going to be available in both Mils and MOA with matching reticles to the turret, this scope is a truly bulletproof military designed optics and not something "borrowed" from the hunting and competition world.
 
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Frank,

Do you have any more specs on this scope?

Their website doesn't have simple stuff like battery life.
 
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No, not until August or so...

Honestly I sat for over an hour with their engineers and they went over a lot of details, and because of the rush of SHOT and the fact I didn't take any notes as it was an early look, I figured I have time.

But needless to say, nobody has seen anything in terms of the internals like this scope. So much beef it is insane.

But they took me through the thinking and the ideas moving forward. There is a lot to it then the "first look" a person might have had stopping by. It's like looking at the outside of car and not understanding the hybrid technology under the hood.
 
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Understand it wasn't designed with "the average scoped rifle user" in mind.

It wasn't meant to meet the needs of the masses, it was designed to be a military optic and compliment the other products from Trijicon like the ACOG. They approached it as, everything the military likes about the ACOG has to be present in this scope too... We can all honestly agree, no adjustable day optic on the market can match the durability of the ACOG, that is a brick, and while anything can be broke, the ACOG is not something too many worry about.

Everyone wants an "American Made' optic, everyone talks about American this or that, here you have a truly American Optic that was not spec'd out overseas and assembled in the US, it's not something that hug the lines of calling it American by a finger nail. US people from start to finish ... it costs money. I know for a fact other companies have told me the downside to using Rochester NY glass. It is usually only used for prototyping an optic, production wise it increases the cost substantially. Its not Schott Asia... but Schott NY.

When you want to know what it would truly take to not cut a single corner, this is what you are asking for... heavy and expensive.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you need see that super thick dual objective lens ?</div></div>
Frank,

I noticed that comment about the <span style="font-style: italic">"half inch thick double objective"</span> in the other thread about the scope and I thought that I misunderstood and you meant the wall thickness around the objective lens group or something else. I'm still not sure if I'm understanding this right, but if you were told that an objective with two lenses that are half an inch thick combined is something special, you have been had big time.


To the nay-sayers,

there may or may not be good reasons for the price tag, and the reason for the price tag may or may not be something that is of value for your specific application. But one thing is for certain, you cannot determine that solely by looking at internet pictures and spec sheets. There's way too much <span style="font-style: italic">"This is crap!"</span> as well as <span style="font-style: italic">"This is great"</span> on this board that is simply based on brand names. This lack of critical thinking leads to two things: Well-established manufacturers can live off their brand name reputation for a long time without actually keeping their products up to speed, and newcomers are discouraged because people won't even consider a well-made product because it doesn't bear the right name. Neither of those things is actually good for those in the market for a well-designed product.
 
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So David what you are saying is, when I look into the objective of the scope, and see one objective lens, and then a small space and a second objective there, I was being Fooled ?

I am not sure what part of, "spent an hour with the engineers" you don't' get. if you think I was just looking at it all from the outside, well, sorry to disappoint.

I never said it was something special and I will fall to your optical greatness but it was something not found in most scopes out there. And contributes to some of the weight of the scope, which was a factor to some. And I understand for each lens you add you maybe fixing one problem but also adding a second, sure, get that too. However the design goes well above anything currently on the market. That is certainly clear, having seen it from several sides.

If you like I will ask Trijicon and put it head to head against something from your group...
 
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Used Trijicon products on 2 deployments to the Ghan ,(like many others here i'm sure). if they are making this optic to be as resilient as the ACOG , then I will be buying one for sure!

its costs $3500 for an S&B here anyway.
 
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It's just hard to look at all the optical one-upmanship these days and avoid becoming jaded.

"Guys - we gotta beat the other guys? How do we do it?"....
"Well, Jim - We could go ahead and make this part a quarter inch thick of solid steel..."
"How much extra will that cost us, Bob?"
"About 30 cents. Almost all of the cost is in the machining, and the actual material costs close to nothing. In fact, it's a little easier to make that part giant because there's less chance of chatter or heat warping in the CNC...."
"Cool, Bob. Think we should charge an extra $500....or go all the way to $1000?"
"Definitely $1000. In fact, this could work as good as the FFP and Mil knobs scam did."
 
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All you need know to understand it, that it comes down to Money for almost everyone and suddenly Mils and Front Focal Plane Scopes are a scam... Those Europeans they just scammed the snot out of us, SFP was good enough for grandpa and it is good enough for everyone else.

At least you can respect the guy that acknowledges the weight, the rest, not so much.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All you need know to understand it, that it comes down to Money for almost everyone and suddenly Mils and Front Focal Plane Scopes are a scam... Those Europeans they just scammed the snot out of us, SFP was good enough for grandpa and it is good enough for everyone else. </div></div>

BINGO!!

Thanks for making the point on the Schott glass, I'd bet most guys (myself included) weren't aware of that distinction.
 
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Damn....gotta remember....arguing on Internet stupid. Internet always right.

Must remember Internet rule-
Never defend when you can misinterpret....
And never misinterpret when you can defend...
 
#22
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ignorance is bliss i supposed

FFP is more expensive, but it has to be exactly right regardless of the magnification, its much easier to make a SFP scope than a truly accurate, bulletproof FFP scope

Why do you think scopes from S&B were always more expensive than say a Leupold from 10 years ago, or why the current crop from "everyone" are more expensive.

If someone choses to charge a bit more for a mil turret, well that is feature of them, Trijicon and many others don't charge more for mils. So the idea that mils cost more has nothing to do with this discussion, at all... Trijicon has not adjusted the price depending on the units of adjustment.

So, the King, you have no clothes, go back and put something on because your ass is showing.
 
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R&D costs aside, and glass cost, to me it's an example of "made in america" wishful thinking of people. They complain about things being made overseas...where labor is cheap. A hell of a lot cheaper. Yet they also complain about the price of something made in the US...where labor is expensive.

I like the fact that they're 100% US made and rival the durability of the ACOG, but, I cannot afford it and simply don't NEED that durability, so I simply will not buy it. I'm not going to call the company crazy though. It's funny how people don't complain about the cost of S&B...they just say "oh well, you get what you pay for". But suddenly when it's not their favorite company, it's too much money. I'm in no means targeting anyone specific! Don't take this personal! It's just that darn near everytime I hear someone anywhere talking about this scope they go on a rant about the price.

I'm glad Frank said it though and he's spot on, it's not a scope for the masses. You're one of the few people who seem to realize this isn't meant to be on top of "everyman's" deer rifle.
 
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-reconsidered and deleted-

edit: I completely misinterpreted Franks post about the FFP thing and I apologize for making a smartass comment based on my own inability to read properly. Doh!
 
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Guess everybody forgot about US Optics....? It'sless expensive and I would love to see which scope could take more abuse.

We could all pitch in 10 bucks and buy one of each model and then make a daniel defense m4 type of commercial and just run over them, shoot at them, blow them up...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unreconstructed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It weighs 51 oz... without a mount.

That's all I need to know. Not interested. </div></div>

Holy crap, that's more than my 60mm Swarovski spotting scope weighs. Even the benchrest and F-class crowd shooting super-heavy guns are looking for lighter scopes. Making an amazingly good scope that is not too heavy: now that is the kind of engineering I'm interested in and it seems March is doing the best job presently. Their scopes are only $3K.....only lol.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It weighs 51 oz... without a mount.

That's all I need to know. Not interested.</div></div>

51% more than my USO. My USO, that I love, but think needs a diet. Here is what I want to know, how can March produce scopes that folks find comparable to other top tier makers at a small fraction of the weight? I'm not talking about the 2fp ones but rather, their ffp designs.
 
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