Rifle Scopes Nightforce 3-10 or 3-12 ATACR where are they?

[Inifinty]

I know I should probably just call.

But does anyone know why Nightforce doesn't have OR if they plan to have an ATACR that fits between the 1-8 and the 4-16x42?

Looking for a mid/low power, variable, FFP, that I hopefully dont ever have to send back. The NXS 2.5-10 would work except it's SFP.

What else is out there thats $2-2.5K and rock solid?

 

[wade2big]

I cant answer your question but a 2.5-10 would would work very well with a SFP reticle. If something is far enough away to where using the reticle for holdovers or windage then I am sure you would be maxed out on 10 power. If you are dialing down power lower than that then I would assume that your target is probably up close to 300+/- yards away where holding over only 6-12" is required depending on your load and zero, and windage is as simple as holding slightly into the wind.

With a SFP reticle you will be able to see your reticle on the low powers as well. With a FFP, anything below 8X is dang near unusable in all but the best conditions.

Anything higher mag than that then yes FFP scopes make a lot of sense in most types of shooting. Now you have my unsolicited opinion. LOL

 

[m6z]

I've yet to see a FFP 2-10 that had a usable reticlle under 10x.

 

[Laseredge]

Yeah, sfp under 10x is so unusable, because you are holding for wind at 80 yards at 2.5X?
I have the NF 2.5-10X24,32,42. If I am are at 100 yds+ and shooting 1-2moa targets, I am are at 10X.
I have shot them all at sub 2 moa targets at 850-1100 yards with 5.56 and 6.5G.

 

[wade2big]

Yeah, sfp under 10x is so unusable, because you are holding for wind at 80 yards at 2.5X?
I have the NF 2.5-10X24,32,42. If I am are at 100 yds+ and shooting 1-2moa targets, I am are at 10X.
I have shot them all at sub 2 moa targets at 850-1100 yards with 5.56 and 6.5G.

I think you missread @m6z post.

 

[Laseredge]

I think you missread @m6z post.

No, I didn’t. I was talking to the op.

 

[Inifinty]

No, I didn’t. I was talking to the op.

It's not that I find SFP unusable. FFP requirement is mostly to standardize function and familiarity with what I already have. The less I have to remember across rifles the better. Holding for quick shots at 7-8X is something I might want to do for the extra field of view without having to think where hash marks and powers match up.

 

[Inifinty]

I've yet to see a FFP 2-10 that had a usable reticlle under 10x.

I've not had one in my hand yet. But I do have a 4-16 and 5-25 FFP where the reticle is usable at 8x. Maybe not in all conditions but the hash marks are still easy to pick out when there is decent background contrast. It sounds like a lower power FFP scope will shrink the reticle exponentially faster than what I have?

 

[Inifinty]

Now you have my unsolicited opinion. LOL

Thanks!

 

[Geno C.]

I've not had one in my hand yet. But I do have a 4-16 and 5-25 FFP where the reticle is usable at 8x. Maybe not in all conditions but the hash marks are still easy to pick out when there is decent background contrast. It sounds like a lower power FFP scope will shrink the reticle exponentially faster than what I have?

Nope, 1moa hashes on a 5-25 will still be 1moa on a 2.5-10 if they’re not FFP and set at 8x ?

 

[Inifinty]

Nope, 1moa hashes on a 5-25 will still be 1moa on a 2.5-10 if they’re not FFP and set at 8x ?

Maybe I'm stupid but show me a 2.5-10 SFP that measures 1 moa between hashes while on 8x and Ill wear it like a hat and take a profile pic with it on.

 

[wade2big]

I've not had one in my hand yet. But I do have a 4-16 and 5-25 FFP where the reticle is usable at 8x. Maybe not in all conditions but the hash marks are still easy to pick out when there is decent background contrast. It sounds like a lower power FFP scope will shrink the reticle exponentially faster than what I have?

For bright daylight yes you can see the reticle at 8x and maybe 6x if the reticle is thick enough which only a few are. If the scope will be used as a hunting scope then you will not see the reticle when dialed down much under 8x the last 15 minutes of shooting light when the animals actually are more active. Thats where illumination helps, but in lowlight conditions SFP scopes are superior. Most any other use FFP scopes are typically more useful. Give and take. Depends on your use and what is most important to you.

 

[Geno C.]

Maybe I'm stupid but show me a 2.5-10 SFP that measures 1 moa between hashes while on 8x and Ill wear it like a hat and take a profile pic with it on.

It was supposed to say “both FFP” not “not FFP”

 

[Geno C.]

I run a 3-18 gen2 on my coyote gun and I’ve taken a large portion of them at 3x. If the reticle is set up right, it acts like a duplex when it’s turned all the way down.

 

[wade2big]

I run a 3-18 gen2 on my coyote gun and I’ve taken a large portion of them at 3x. If the reticle is set up right, it acts like a duplex when it’s turned all the way down.

A really thin, small, and hard to see duplex.

 

[Inifinty]

Thanks Gents.. Now more informed with some things to think about!

 

[Luvman]

I run a 3-18 gen2 on my coyote gun and I’ve taken a large portion of them at 3x. If the reticle is set up right, it acts like a duplex when it’s turned all the way down.

I run a 3-18 razor as well. The substensions aren’t usable at 3x but the reticle still works perfectly as an aiming point.

I’ve run a gen2 mil dot. At 3x it’s basically a duplex. I don’t buy into the logic that FFP isn’t useable in low powered scopes. I’ve never owned a FFP scope with more than 3.5x on the bottom end and have never been at a disadvantage below 5x.

My .22 wears a 1.5-5 FFP mildot scope. It works just fine as duplex style reticle below 3x and the dots are useable above 3.5x or so.

I would be all over a top tier 2-10 or 12x FFP scope. It would be perfect for a dual role hunting/precision type AR.

 

[Basher]

A 3-12x FFP works just fine, ask Bushnell. The LRTS is an excellent little optic on a gas gun or lighter bolt gun. It may just not be a big enough piece of the pie for NF to care.

 

[dgheriani]

A 3-12x FFP works just fine, ask Bushnell. The LRTS is an excellent little optic on a gas gun or lighter bolt gun. It may just not be a big enough piece of the pie for NF to care.

Agreed, I run a LRTSi on my .22lr and one on my M14. Great lil scopes for sure!

 

[wade2big]

I run a 3-18 razor as well. The substensions aren’t usable at 3x but the reticle still works perfectly as an aiming point.

I’ve run a gen2 mil dot. At 3x it’s basically a duplex. I don’t buy into the logic that FFP isn’t useable in low powered scopes. I’ve never owned a FFP scope with more than 3.5x on the bottom end and have never been at a disadvantage below 5x.

My .22 wears a 1.5-5 FFP mildot scope. It works just fine as duplex style reticle below 3x and the dots are useable above 3.5x or so.

I would be all over a top tier 2-10 or 12x FFP scope. It would be perfect for a dual role hunting/precision type AR.

You are definitely at a disadvantage on the low end especially with a scope with as thin a subtentions as the Razor whether you realize it or not. Maybe you don’t have experiences with other types of scope.

Do this for me. Go outside just before dark to where you could barely see something about 150 yards away. Look through your razor on any power. You will find that anything above about 6x and you can’t pick up your target well enough as the scope is too dark. You dial down to 3-4x to let in more light. Now the reticle disappears. This is the disadvantage of every single FFP scope. The same can happen in shaded areas such as the woods when the scope is dialed down. The reticle is gone unless you want to walk around with the illumination on. You better put in a new battery every time you are the rifle out. Even with the illumination the reticle is way slower than a standard duplex with no illumination. A cheap Leopold 3x9 with a standard duplex is superior under these circumstances.

Razors have extremely thin reticles compared to the Bushnell that the guys that chimed in below you are talking about. I own both scopes and the Bushnell is superior in low light conditions by far because of the thicker reticle. The LRHSI is better yet with the large ring in the center of the reticle.

I have a few dual purpose rifles. One of the rifles I use for everything.308. I hunted and took game with it this year. One evening in particular I struggled to see my hog and reticle at the same time as what I described above was happening. In this case my scope didn’t have illumination and I learned to never again hunt with a non Illuminated FFP scope.

I’m not implying that you are wrong as your and my opinions are both just that. I just don’t want anyone to read this thread and think there aren’t compromises with FFP scopes compared to SFP scopes as there are pluses and minuses to both depending on your application. Reticle choices are another. There are pluses and minuses to milling reticle compared to thick duplex reticle. Have to choose the right tool for the job as there is not one size fits all approach to scopes or anything else in life for that matter.

I wore out my welcome in this thread with all I wrote. This is my last post here. Lol

 

[Geno C.]

Come on wade, it ain’t so bad that you have old eyes and can’t see. We won’t hold it against you! ? an illuminated reticle is a must for me on a hunting gun that I know I’ll be using at the edges of shooting light. Doesn’t matter if it’s ffp or sfp.

 

[Luvman]

You are definitely at a disadvantage on the low end especially with a scope with as thin a subtentions as the Razor whether you realize it or not. Maybe you don’t have experiences with other types of scope.

Do this for me. Go outside just before dark to where you could barely see something about 150 yards away. Look through your razor on any power. You will find that anything above about 6x and you can’t pick up your target well enough as the scope is too dark. You dial down to 3-4x to let in more light. Now the reticle disappears. This is the disadvantage of every single FFP scope. The same can happen in shaded areas such as the woods when the scope is dialed down. The reticle is gone unless you want to walk around with the illumination on. You better put in a new battery every time you are the rifle out. Even with the illumination the reticle is way slower than a standard duplex with no illumination. A cheap Leopold 3x9 with a standard duplex is superior under these circumstances.

Razors have extremely thin reticles compared to the Bushnell that the guys that chimed in below you are talking about. I own both scopes and the Bushnell is superior in low light conditions by far because of the thicker reticle. The LRHSI is better yet with the large ring in the center of the reticle.

I have a few dual purpose rifles. One of the rifles I use for everything.308. I hunted and took game with it this year. One evening in particular I struggled to see my hog and reticle at the same time as what I described above was happening. In this case my scope didn’t have illumination and I learned to never again hunt with a non Illuminated FFP scope.

I’m not implying that you are wrong as your and my opinions are both just that. I just don’t want anyone to read this thread and think there aren’t compromises with FFP scopes compared to SFP scopes as there are pluses and minuses to both depending on your application. Reticle choices are another. There are pluses and minuses to milling reticle compared to thick duplex reticle. Have to choose the right tool for the job as there is not one size fits all approach to scopes or anything else in life for that matter.

I wore out my welcome in this thread with all I wrote. This is my last post here. Lol

I did exactly as you suggested right before deer season. I was glassing wooden target stands at 150yds. I was able to see well enough take a safe shot on a deer until well after legal light. And you’re right at the last few minutes the illumination was very helpful.

For the record I’m middle aged and now wear bifocals.