Rifle Scopes Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

[Rassmussen]

Hi guys!



I am currently looking for a new scope for my rifle. I sort of had my mind set on the S&B PMII, but I really want to have 42x. S&B is also quite expensive, they retail for around USD$4100 here in Norway. They are cheaper in the US, but still in the high pricerange. The Nightforce therefore seems like a much better deal, especially if I buy it in the US. Nightforce scopes retail at around USD$3300 in Norway. Needless to say, I can save some money buying the scope in the US.

So I have been checking up on these scopes, mostly the NXS 12-42x56 since it has the kind of zoom I want. However, I cannot find this model in MIL/MRAD. The only model I can find is the 5.5-22x56, with or without the zero stop. Do Nightforce only supply two models with MIL/MRAD, and if so, WHY?

Of course, I could just buy a MOA scope and might be super happy with it. But when you are used to MIL... (there is a saying about an old dog and some tricks)

Thank you for any advice!

edit: <span style="font-weight: bold">*For those who are to lazy to read the whole post, the answer is that some NF scopes are available in MRAD. However, not the benchmark series or any scope with a higher magnification than x22*
These Scopes from the NXS series are available in MIL/MRAD

1-4x24
2.5-10x24
2.5-10x32
3.5-15x50
3.5-15x56
5.5-22x50
5.5-22x56
3.5-15x50 F1</span>

(Thanks to Rob01 for the list)


-R

 

[AK10mm]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

Welcome Aboard!Why the high prices in your country? I thought the USD was really weak on that side of the pond.I just got my first NXS,used,in great shape,a 5.5-22x50 for $1300 from another member of SH,no zero stop,but another thread here addresses using hard plastic washers in place of the zero stop.Mine is MOA/MOA but that is what I want,the NF ballistic software will translate it back and forth,pretty inexpensive also.

 

[SpotcheckBilly]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

The NXS 12-42 in MIL/MRAD is probably not a stock item that could be found sitting on a dealers shelf but I'm sure that you (or your dealer) could order it directly from Nightforce.

It sounds like importers mark-up combined with import duties, tarriffs, and taxes are probably to blame for the high cost of an NXS in your country even with the US dollar at an all time low. That's part of what's wrong with our country's economy. It seems that fair trade only works one way, and our politicians are too scared to fix it. So we all suffer.

 

[Rassmussen]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

Well, the USD/NOK ratio have seen better days, at least from my point of view. The reason why these scopes are so expensive in Norway is that there is only one licenced importer. A monopoly is seldom good when it comes to competitive pricing. Nightforce scopes are quite rare here because of the high price. In fact i would guess that most people would rather opt for a Zeiss or S&M PM II sice there is a so "little" price difference between them. But, enough with the economics...

Well, I really don't need the zero stop, so if the scope does not have this option that's ok with me. I would, however, like a larger magnification than 22x, and of course MRAD. This does not seem a possible combination with NF. Is there any reason for NF not to have the x42 with MRAD/MIL?

EDIT: I am quite sure that I read somewhere about a conversion kit that you could use on NF to go MOA to MRAD. Am I mistaken?

As far as understanding MOA I am sure it's possible to learn, but I would like to avoid having to do conversions in my head. The MRAD/MIL is more intuitive for me since I am used to the metric system.

-R

Edit: added som text

 

[rommel500]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

I believe you can order any NXS scope with any of the features. They may just not be stocked by normal dealers. I believe you can custom order your scope from Nightforce and it takes ~ 4 weeks.

 

[Rassmussen]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

I will definantly look into custom ordering one. However, I expect to run into some problems because of the NF unwillingness to ship from the US to Europe.

I'm still trying to find the source of the MOA to Mil kit information. For some reason I cannot find it.

-R

 

[Lindy]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">EDIT: I am quite sure that I read somewhere about a conversion kit that you could use on NF to go MOA to MRAD. Am I mistaken?</div></div>

While such a kit might exist, installation would involve changing out scope internals. That would necessitate the ability to recharge the scope with the dry gas mixture used by the manufacturer to avoid fogging. The kit would need to include the equipment and supplies used to do that, or be intended for installation by facilities with that equipment.

Executive summary: I'd be surprised if such a kit were end-user installable.

 

[Rassmussen]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

Well, when you put it that way... it does seem far fetched that there is such a kit available.

I have sent an e-mail to NF to find out about the MRAD, so hopefully they will get back to me shortly.

-R

 

[spot69221]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

I have checked a few times on these types of options, no mil adjustments on anything higher than the 22x so far.

 

[ds]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

Rassmussen, your answer may be the new S&B PMII 12-50x56 with P4 fine reticule (FFP or 2FP) with 0.25cm turret adjustments. Total elevation is 175cm. Other reticules and turret adjustments exist but that is the only milrad based one offered at the monemt.

If size is not an issue buy a USO sn-9 excellent glass and turrets can be set to adjust as you like.

David.

 

[Lindy]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

Scopes adjust in angular increments, so, since a cm is not a unit of angular measurement, I suspect that you're referring to tenth milliradian units where you say "cm".

0.025 mil increments certainly is a fine - small, that is - adjustment. That is, in fact, less than 0.1 MOA.

To go from zero to, say, 11 milliradians for a thousand yard shot would take 440 clicks. Wow!

 

[Rassmussen]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

Thanks for the advice on the S&B 12-50. I tried to find out more about it, but i could not find a price listing anywhere. I fear that it will be way to expensive for my taste. The S&B 5-25x56 PMII retails at around USD$4000 in Norway, and even with the saving of buying in the US, it's just to expensive.

I am not familiar with the USO brand? How do they compare optically to S&B or even NF?

-R

 

[ds]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

R and Lindy - These are the details I got from S&B - the eye relief at 70mm is not reassuring.

I understand how scopes adjust in angular subtension however I quoted from the S&B data sheet 0.25cm, which is bloody small and not correct terminology - but it is as per S&B product and spec sheet.

R - USO, excellent in my opinion, I have a few sn3`s and several sn9`s also the service and friendliness of the company you cannot beat.


12-50x56 PMII P
• Aluminium tube, Ø34 mm without rail
• Surface: decorative hard anodised (black)
• Reticle in 1. and 2. focal plane
• Elevation (Double Turn, Multi Turn)
• Windage adjustment
• Parallax adjustment from 10 m to &#8734;

Optical data
Magnification: 12x – 50x
Field of view 100 m: 4.20 m – 1.10 m

Exit pupil: 4.55 mm – 1.18 mm
Eye relief distance: 70 mm
Twilight factor: 25.9 – 52.9
Light transmission: min. 90% at day- and night-measuring

Technical data
Diopter setting: +2 dptr. bis -3 dptr.
Elevation adjustment: DT ¼ MOA ccw 0-65 MOA
DT ¼ MOA cw 0-65 MOA
MT 1/8 MOA ccw 0-75 MOA
MT 1/8 MOA cw 0-75 MOA
MT ¼ cm cw 0-175 cm

Windage adjustment:
ST ¼ MOA ccw +/- 16 MOA
ST ¼ MOA cw +/- 16 MOA
ST ¼ cm cw +/- 16 cm
DT 1/8 MOA ccw +/- 14 MOA
DT 1/8 MOA cw +/- 14 MOA
Parallax adjustment: 10 m to &#8734;

Weight: 1080 g
Water proofness: 300 mbar inner pressure (equals 3 m water depth)
Storage and operational temperatures
Storage temp. (cold): -40°C
Storage temp. (warm): +70°C
Operational temp. (cold): -25°C
Operational temp. (warm): +55°C at 92% relative air humidity

Reticles
Focal plane 1: P3, P4F
Focal plane 2: P3, P4F, Sport, SportF

DT = Double Turn – ST = Single Turn – MT = Multi Turn – cw = clockwise - ccw = counter clockwise

 

[Lindy]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

S&B engineers know better. It's surprising their public information doesn't reflect that. Oh, well.

 

[Rassmussen]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

Received an e-mail from NF. Final word is, and i quote "the NXS 12-42x56 is <span style="text-decoration: underline">not</span> a model that is available with or can be converted to milliradian adjustments"

So I either have to go with MOA or find another scope. That's a shame...

Any ideas on the price of the S&B PMII 12-50x56? I could not find it listed anywhere.

-R

 

[Rassmussen]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?


As far as mounting goes, I'll put this on my .308 Remington 700 SPS Varmint or my .308 SPS Tactical. I have not decided yet. At least til I buy a new rifle.

Suggestions on mounting? I will need the whole assembly, rings and mounting... This setup will be for range shooting only, so I don't need the most expensive kit.

Thanks for the help!

-R

 

[Rob01]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rassmussen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

edit: <span style="font-weight: bold">*For those who are to lazy to read the whole post, the answer is yes. NF only have to models in MRAD*</span>

</div></div>

Just to clarify, Nightforce does not only make two models in mil adjustments. From the NXS line they make:
1-4x24
2.5-10x24
2.5-10x32
3.5-15x50
3.5-15x56
5.5-22x50
5.5-22x56
3.5-15x50 F1

All those scopes are available in mil adjustments. It is the two BR models that aren't avilable in mil adjustments as they come in the finer 1/8 MOA which is usually prefered for those scopes. Also the 8-32 and 12-42 NXS are MOA only.

Rassmussen, why not stick with NF for the rings and bases? I use the Ultrlight rings and like them alot.

Congratulations on your new scope also. You will love the NF.

 

[Rassmussen]

Re: Nightforce and MIL, only two scopes available?

Rob01: thanks for the clarification. I have changed the quoted part in the first post. If you don't mind, I'll put your list of avialable scopes in MRAD in the first post to avoid confusion.

I'll look into the NF base and rings. Thanks for the advice!

-R