Is it just me or does the Nightforce offering of the mildot reticle seem awfully busy. I recently got a good deal on a like new nightforce 3.5x15 50 mm with a NPR2 reticle. I considered having the reticle changed, but I'm not sure about the NF offering in this reticle. Any thoughts?
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Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Definitely just you!
The NF Mildot is one of the best. The open center in the Mildots is very nice. You may like the MLR better. Look at it.
Definitely just you!
The NF Mildot is one of the best. The open center in the Mildots is very nice. You may like the MLR better. Look at it.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
It is arguably one of the best mildots available but i seriously question whether a mildot is an appropriate reticle for recreational shooters these days. The NPR are good but note you might be swapping Mil for MOA between these two i believe so check. You want Mil/Mil turrets/reticle or MOA/MOA. Much more important in my view than the choice of reticle.
It is arguably one of the best mildots available but i seriously question whether a mildot is an appropriate reticle for recreational shooters these days. The NPR are good but note you might be swapping Mil for MOA between these two i believe so check. You want Mil/Mil turrets/reticle or MOA/MOA. Much more important in my view than the choice of reticle.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Not too busy.
But, take a look at the NPR1. I used to run mildot reticles, but since I do all my calculations in moa, its so much easier having an moa reticle and turret combo.
Not too busy.
But, take a look at the NPR1. I used to run mildot reticles, but since I do all my calculations in moa, its so much easier having an moa reticle and turret combo.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Just you...like TJ. said, "It is arguably one of the best mildots available"
Just you...like TJ. said, "It is arguably one of the best mildots available"
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Sorry, I guess I did not read it right. You want to change your current reticle? I agree with the other posts. The one you have is much better, as it matches your adjustment knobs.
Sorry, I guess I did not read it right. You want to change your current reticle? I agree with the other posts. The one you have is much better, as it matches your adjustment knobs.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Thanks for the replies. It wouldn't make any sense changing from the npr-2 reticle to a mildot reticle and having .25 moa turrets on the scope. Also, the cost of having the turrets and reticle changed out isn't feasible (cheaper to sell the scope and order the right configuration).
I'm struggling a bit with the NPR-2 reticle as it seems to washout fairly easily against a brushy background at shorter ranges ( < 200 meters).
Thanks for the replies. It wouldn't make any sense changing from the npr-2 reticle to a mildot reticle and having .25 moa turrets on the scope. Also, the cost of having the turrets and reticle changed out isn't feasible (cheaper to sell the scope and order the right configuration).
I'm struggling a bit with the NPR-2 reticle as it seems to washout fairly easily against a brushy background at shorter ranges ( < 200 meters).
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
You're a good sport. I've never had a problem with the NF mil-dot reticle regardless of background, but as has been discussed might as well match the reticle to the turrets. I've been happier with mine since I sent it back for a mil turret conversion since it matches my reticle.
You're a good sport. I've never had a problem with the NF mil-dot reticle regardless of background, but as has been discussed might as well match the reticle to the turrets. I've been happier with mine since I sent it back for a mil turret conversion since it matches my reticle.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
The MIL-DOT RET is not enough for me, I prefer the MLR...
Mike @ CST
The MIL-DOT RET is not enough for me, I prefer the MLR...
Mike @ CST
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it just me or does the Nightforce offering of the mildot reticle seem awfully busy. I recently got a good deal on a like new nightforce 3.5x15 50 mm with a NPR2 reticle. I considered having the reticle changed, but I'm not sure about the NF offering in this reticle. Any thoughts? </div></div>
"busy" in context of reticles is all relative ...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it just me or does the Nightforce offering of the mildot reticle seem awfully busy. I recently got a good deal on a like new nightforce 3.5x15 50 mm with a NPR2 reticle. I considered having the reticle changed, but I'm not sure about the NF offering in this reticle. Any thoughts? </div></div>
"busy" in context of reticles is all relative ...
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
I personally wish they had the mildot or MLR with one of those little grade scales at the bottom like a PSOP or something similar to their varmint reticle.
Would be nice for UKD Silhouettes etc to give you some confidence in your ranging via dots, or for quick solutions in timed situations.
Probably to much to ask for though.
I personally wish they had the mildot or MLR with one of those little grade scales at the bottom like a PSOP or something similar to their varmint reticle.
Would be nice for UKD Silhouettes etc to give you some confidence in your ranging via dots, or for quick solutions in timed situations.
Probably to much to ask for though.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Got to love the smart ass answers from the internet commandos who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Perhaps they flunked out of sniper school and make themselves feel better on this forum.
I've never seen the open mildot before, it seemed odd, crucify me.
Got to love the smart ass answers from the internet commandos who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Perhaps they flunked out of sniper school and make themselves feel better on this forum.
I've never seen the open mildot before, it seemed odd, crucify me.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got to love the smart ass answers from the internet commandos who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Perhaps they flunked out of sniper school and make themselves feel better on this forum.
I've never seen the open mildot before, it seemed odd, crucify me.
</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got to love the smart ass answers from the internet commandos who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Perhaps they flunked out of sniper school and make themselves feel better on this forum.
I've never seen the open mildot before, it seemed odd, crucify me.
</div></div>
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Nope that was my honest answer nothing smatass about it.I mean if you think that a NF mil dot is busy a tasco air gun scope would be less correct?A reticle is a personal preference that you must figgure out on your own.I like my p4f and the only thing busy about a NF mil dot to me is shooting it WFO to mill correct.Look at all the the choices NF has to offer and just get the one you like.just don't get some bastard moa/mil set up .thats kinda like a fat chick with no tits or a chick with a great rack and no ass it just don't add up.
Nope that was my honest answer nothing smatass about it.I mean if you think that a NF mil dot is busy a tasco air gun scope would be less correct?A reticle is a personal preference that you must figgure out on your own.I like my p4f and the only thing busy about a NF mil dot to me is shooting it WFO to mill correct.Look at all the the choices NF has to offer and just get the one you like.just don't get some bastard moa/mil set up .thats kinda like a fat chick with no tits or a chick with a great rack and no ass it just don't add up.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Mine, too. I used a Horus H25 for three years. <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">That's</span></span> a busy reticle - but after a while, you get used to what's in the reticle, and don't notice it, except when you need to.
Mine, too. I used a Horus H25 for three years. <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">That's</span></span> a busy reticle - but after a while, you get used to what's in the reticle, and don't notice it, except when you need to.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got to love the smart ass answers from the internet commandos who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Perhaps they flunked out of sniper school and make themselves feel better on this forum.
I've never seen the open mildot before, it seemed odd, crucify me.
</div></div>
You asked for some input and guys gave it to you as they see it.
No need to throw your toys out of the pram just because they didn't agree with you - you have your opinion, they have theirs. It's obvious.
What else did you expect?
Is it "busy"? IMHO....no.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got to love the smart ass answers from the internet commandos who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Perhaps they flunked out of sniper school and make themselves feel better on this forum.
I've never seen the open mildot before, it seemed odd, crucify me.
</div></div>
You asked for some input and guys gave it to you as they see it.
No need to throw your toys out of the pram just because they didn't agree with you - you have your opinion, they have theirs. It's obvious.
What else did you expect?
Is it "busy"? IMHO....no.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
I do appreciate the constructive feedback, this isn't about whether or not folks agree with me. I'm a bit frustrated because this NPR 2 reticle I purchased looked great <span style="font-weight: bold">on paper</span> for my intended purposes. After a bit of shooting/hunting, I find the reticle too thin for my tastes/needs. I <span style="font-weight: bold">really like</span>the NF scopes and see myself purchasing another here soon. What would be most helpful is to be able to physically look through these scopes and their different reticles to find exactly what I need. The more I look at the mildot, the more I"m liking it and the more I'm appreciating the open mildots. Thank you!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got to love the smart ass answers from the internet commandos who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Perhaps they flunked out of sniper school and make themselves feel better on this forum.
I've never seen the open mildot before, it seemed odd, crucify me.
</div></div>
You asked for some input and guys gave it to you as they see it.
No need to throw your toys out of the pram just because they didn't agree with you - you have your opinion, they have theirs. It's obvious.
What else did you expect?
Is it "busy"? IMHO....no. </div></div>
I do appreciate the constructive feedback, this isn't about whether or not folks agree with me. I'm a bit frustrated because this NPR 2 reticle I purchased looked great <span style="font-weight: bold">on paper</span> for my intended purposes. After a bit of shooting/hunting, I find the reticle too thin for my tastes/needs. I <span style="font-weight: bold">really like</span>the NF scopes and see myself purchasing another here soon. What would be most helpful is to be able to physically look through these scopes and their different reticles to find exactly what I need. The more I look at the mildot, the more I"m liking it and the more I'm appreciating the open mildots. Thank you!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got to love the smart ass answers from the internet commandos who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag. Perhaps they flunked out of sniper school and make themselves feel better on this forum.
I've never seen the open mildot before, it seemed odd, crucify me.
</div></div>
You asked for some input and guys gave it to you as they see it.
No need to throw your toys out of the pram just because they didn't agree with you - you have your opinion, they have theirs. It's obvious.
What else did you expect?
Is it "busy"? IMHO....no. </div></div>
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Hey, FWIW,
I had a similar issue. I shot for many years with an NP1-RR and loved it. It was difficult to do RE with though. I then went to the NP-R1 and thought it was WAY too thin. So thin in fact, that I would call it gray rather than black.
Up close, it didn't work out so well but out long, the thinner reticle got appreciated a bit more.
I talked to NF about it, and they suggested the MLR. I traded off and bought one with the MLR/MRAD, and for me, it was perfect. It's all I use now.
--Fargo007
Hey, FWIW,
I had a similar issue. I shot for many years with an NP1-RR and loved it. It was difficult to do RE with though. I then went to the NP-R1 and thought it was WAY too thin. So thin in fact, that I would call it gray rather than black.
Up close, it didn't work out so well but out long, the thinner reticle got appreciated a bit more.
I talked to NF about it, and they suggested the MLR. I traded off and bought one with the MLR/MRAD, and for me, it was perfect. It's all I use now.
--Fargo007
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally wish they had the mildot or MLR with one of those little grade scales at the bottom like a PSOP or something similar to their varmint reticle.
Would be nice for UKD Silhouettes etc to give you some confidence in your ranging via dots, or for quick solutions in timed situations.
Probably to much to ask for though. </div></div>
Something like this?:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally wish they had the mildot or MLR with one of those little grade scales at the bottom like a PSOP or something similar to their varmint reticle.
Would be nice for UKD Silhouettes etc to give you some confidence in your ranging via dots, or for quick solutions in timed situations.
Probably to much to ask for though. </div></div>
Something like this?:
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
Exactly like that. That's my ideal reticle. I'd maybe opt for the IOR dot replacement for the crosshair and I'd never buy anything else.
Beggars can't be choosers though I'd be incredibly pleased with that reticle in a Nightforce!
Exactly like that. That's my ideal reticle. I'd maybe opt for the IOR dot replacement for the crosshair and I'd never buy anything else.
Beggars can't be choosers though I'd be incredibly pleased with that reticle in a Nightforce!
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
The Countersniper has two reticles, how could you go wrong with that?
If you use a reticle enough you get it imprinted in your mind's eye. When that happens you won't need the tree roots at the bottom.
The Countersniper has two reticles, how could you go wrong with that?
If you use a reticle enough you get it imprinted in your mind's eye. When that happens you won't need the tree roots at the bottom.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Countersniper has two reticles, how could you go wrong with that?
If you use a reticle enough you get it imprinted in your mind's eye. When that happens you won't need the tree roots at the bottom. </div></div>
I definitely have alot of familiarity to develope personally. I just really like the idea of some extra help here and there haha I know if I keep at it stuff will start to come more naturally, but I think I don't spend enough time shooting for that. I'd like to change this sad sad fact, but 12 credit hours along with a full time job seems to impede
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Countersniper has two reticles, how could you go wrong with that?
If you use a reticle enough you get it imprinted in your mind's eye. When that happens you won't need the tree roots at the bottom. </div></div>
I definitely have alot of familiarity to develope personally. I just really like the idea of some extra help here and there haha I know if I keep at it stuff will start to come more naturally, but I think I don't spend enough time shooting for that. I'd like to change this sad sad fact, but 12 credit hours along with a full time job seems to impede
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
I know what you mean: I still use my Horus reticle, but now it's to avoid turning the knobs and risk breaking my scope.
Seriously, the Horus and the Gen II XR are good reticles to start with, but the experienced user will quickly find that he doesn't need all the extra garbage. When you miss, and you see the miss, you make an immediate adjustment and follow-up shot. You don't have time to plot the miss, make the calculation, and use the grid. The bullet impact is burned in your mind's eye: so you shift the whole image and let fly.
I know what you mean: I still use my Horus reticle, but now it's to avoid turning the knobs and risk breaking my scope.
Seriously, the Horus and the Gen II XR are good reticles to start with, but the experienced user will quickly find that he doesn't need all the extra garbage. When you miss, and you see the miss, you make an immediate adjustment and follow-up shot. You don't have time to plot the miss, make the calculation, and use the grid. The bullet impact is burned in your mind's eye: so you shift the whole image and let fly.
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Counter Sniper...Busy and Useless all at the same time. They left out the Oscilloscope and the Periodic Table. Go figure.
Counter Sniper...Busy and Useless all at the same time. They left out the Oscilloscope and the Periodic Table. Go figure.
Re: Nightforce MIldot reticle too busy?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enmerdeur</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Counter Sniper...Busy and Useless all at the same time
</div></div>I disagree: it serves a purpose, just not one intended for markmanship.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enmerdeur</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Counter Sniper...Busy and Useless all at the same time
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