Is it real? What are the specifics? Seems to have gone through pretty quietly. Or have I just been under a rock?
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you have less than 12 hours to comply. No joke.
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/hi-cap-ban-in-jersey.6915625/#post-7389119
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/hi-cap-ban-in-jersey.6915625/#post-7389119
Mags? What mags? You mean the ones that I lost in a tragic boating accident last year along with my 7.62 POF?
On a serious note though, maybe all of the major gun manufacturers who also supply the local PD's should take a leaf from Barrett's book and simply stop all sales of products to the LE agencies of the regions that violate the rights of their citizens. So civvies can only own 7-round mags in Jersey huh? Then the state's LE's should only receive 7-round mags from Glock, Smith & Wesson and anyone else they order from. It should only be fair like that.
On a serious note though, maybe all of the major gun manufacturers who also supply the local PD's should take a leaf from Barrett's book and simply stop all sales of products to the LE agencies of the regions that violate the rights of their citizens. So civvies can only own 7-round mags in Jersey huh? Then the state's LE's should only receive 7-round mags from Glock, Smith & Wesson and anyone else they order from. It should only be fair like that.
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For the most part, gun manufacturers care much less about your rights than they do about their lucretive govt contracts. And, their shows of solidarity are mostly coldly calculated marketing. (How many govt sales into Cali did Barret REALLY miss out on, vs the positive PR received?) Gun manufacturers do not make guns to empower citizens. They manufacture guns in order to make money. There's a lot of money in govt contracts.
Unfortunately that seems to be the case. Not only here but they can always outsource business and strike up deals with overseas military organizations.
Any impact we gunnies want to have will have to be done on the local and hometown level. Write a shit ton of snail mail and jam up the mailboxes of the pols we are trying to convince. All that physical paperwork will be noticed and they will know how popular or unpopular certain things are with the people.
If we roll over and give up, who the heck is going to take up the fight for us? We better keep on truckin' if we want to go anywhere.
Yeah, if we could get mfg.'s on board that'd be great. But we need to organize first and get numbers. They won't all agree. But threat of a boycott by their base may do the trick. We need an organization that means something, does something, not the NRA that just collects money. Open displays of public disobedience, marches in numbers. That'll work. Like I said, marijuana got legalized because too many people were just doing and it became unenforceable. But you only flaunt the law when you're in numbers, as a protest. Like all gun owners in NJ showing up at the capitol bearing illegal magazines. This is how gays got their rights, how marijuana became legal. I think we could learn a thing or two from their campaigns.
We need to come out of the closet and start exercising our Rights or lose 'em. They're too comfortable with us just taking it and not making a fuss. But enough is enough. It's time to organize under some banner and build a core group that makes decisions, organizes mass protests in all the major cities to protest that state's worst laws.
We need to march with our most vile and disgusting rifles. Slung over the shoulder. And keep it civil. This stuff works, I promise. IF we do it.
Some of you people good with computers and networking should spread the word to all forums and let it grow from there. What's a good name, "Lawful Gun Owners of America"? LGOA? Or RGOA, "Responsible Gun Owners of America"? Maybe that's better.
If we don't step into the 21st century though we're gonna lose and be left behind. We need you computer savvy people to get the ball rolling to other computer savvy people in other forums. Get it going on FB. I'm serious about this and if you give me a time and date for a protest, I'll be there. Bad back, knees and feet, I'll be there anyway. Everyone should for their area.
And now, if you are an NYC police officer (or any officer) you are a 4th degree felon if you bring your duty magazine into NJ...when off duty.
Bergen Country prosecutor sent out a memo pointing out that the law applies to L.E.... off duty, retired, etc. So for those of you who are retired L.E., don't set foot in NJ with anything over 10 rounds! They are not discriminating.
Unconstitutional, true. And likely will get over-turned in courts. But that won't stop them from ruining your life and costing you a fortune in the mean-time!
Gotta love Communists. Don't like the Constitution? Ignore it. Let the courts sort it out. In the mean time, do what you want to your citizens. This is what tyrants and kings do... not representatives.
Seeing a pattern? NJ, Pittsburgh, Colorado... can't get things through Congress, push unconstitutional laws in solid blue urban crap-holes... and bankrupt gun owners trying to defend themselves. Bloomberg's strategy.... he can afford it.
In the mean time, I hope a few NYC PD guys and their union get together and push this right to the Supreme Court. Half of them live 'over the bridge,' anyway.
Cheers,
Sirhr
Bergen Country prosecutor sent out a memo pointing out that the law applies to L.E.... off duty, retired, etc. So for those of you who are retired L.E., don't set foot in NJ with anything over 10 rounds! They are not discriminating.
Unconstitutional, true. And likely will get over-turned in courts. But that won't stop them from ruining your life and costing you a fortune in the mean-time!
Gotta love Communists. Don't like the Constitution? Ignore it. Let the courts sort it out. In the mean time, do what you want to your citizens. This is what tyrants and kings do... not representatives.
Seeing a pattern? NJ, Pittsburgh, Colorado... can't get things through Congress, push unconstitutional laws in solid blue urban crap-holes... and bankrupt gun owners trying to defend themselves. Bloomberg's strategy.... he can afford it.
In the mean time, I hope a few NYC PD guys and their union get together and push this right to the Supreme Court. Half of them live 'over the bridge,' anyway.
Cheers,
Sirhr
Buahaha! Comply slave. Like seriously, no way I’d turn shit in. Take it to the USSC, don’t care.
Bump that shit. Get some guys together and take over city hall. That’d make a statement. You nor you mags are hurting anyone, don’t get overruled by the mob mentality or some politician that just decided to take your shit. That’s not freedom.
I'll be curious to see this challenged against the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act that was passed at the federal level. For anyine that may not know, it allows officers and retired officers to carry just about anywhere thats not banned federally.
Ive yet to hear of a challenge to the LEOSA since it was passed. Im next door to Illinois and can carry when driving thru because of it. I'd say this should also apply here in NJ but I won't test the waters until there is a legal challenge that settles it.
Ive yet to hear of a challenge to the LEOSA since it was passed. Im next door to Illinois and can carry when driving thru because of it. I'd say this should also apply here in NJ but I won't test the waters until there is a legal challenge that settles it.
GOOD!!!!!
It has alway been a thorn in my side that LEO/military/ and ex LEO get a free pass on this bull shit. It is how they get these bull shit laws passed many times. LEO is against it until they are immune from it.
No different than the hunter who doesn't care if MSR's get banned.
There have been a couple studies released the last 24 months that show CCW permit holders are 6 times more law abiding than LEO.
Am I not a human being with a life (and family) worth defending? Should I not be allowed the best tools possible to do so?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander, if 10 rounds is good enough for me, then it is good enough for on duty LEO!
Dont take this as an anti-LEO post. I would grant them all the best equipment. I just believe I deserve the same.
For some reason not quite understood by me we hold LEO on a pedestal. The job might deserve that but not all the people doing the job do.
We had a couple LEO scandals this year in 2 sheriffs depts. One in the county I live in, and one in the county next door to mine. I am privy to some inside information and let me tell you these people are not the jewels of society. Shit that would make your toes curl.
The point to that is a bull shit law can be proposed and as soon as LEO support it, it is deemed a good law.
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Wish I had a law on my side like that. Something that uses the phrase "shall not be infringed" would work. At least you would think so.
All smart ass aside. Your last sentence is the crux of the issue. Bull shit laws are passed knowing full well that until they are challenged as unconstitutional they are deemed to be constitutional.
This is one flaw in our system. I think our founding fathers expected the law makers to be able to read and understand the constitution. Not to try and chip away at it from every angle.
I would like to see all laws have to pass a "constitution board" or SCOTUS before becoming law.
This BS of taking 15-20-30 years before making it to the SCOTUS is bullshit. We shouldn't loose our rights for that time, while they hash it out.
VERY interesting.
I wonder how the officers who work with the Port Authority are going to manage? It's technically called the "Port Authority of NY/NJ" and the officers are comprised of residents of both states.
They're supposed to carry off-duty, and they frequently go back and forth between locations for various reasons, so there will be plenty of opportunities for magazine violations.
Honestly I think it was just a PR statement from the Prosecutor. There is ZERO chance that any cop in NJ is going to arrest ANY cop (on or off duty) for a magazine violation.
So are you saying that NJ LEO are not willing to up hold the law to a certain class of citizen's?
I apologize if I seem to be aggressive on this right now. I am Pro-good guy. Not anti-LEO. I hope everyone can see that.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
I'm absolutely (sometimes too far) pro good guy and pro LEO as well, but as someone who grew up here I can say with a high degree of certainty that no NJ cop would even consider arresting another cop for a magazine violation.
With that said, I would be stunned if a NJ cop arrested ANYONE on a magazine charge.
There was already a high capacity magazine ban in NJ (15 round limit) so this new feel-good law was a further reduction, not a net-new event. The only time i ever heard or read about charges for magazine violations was when they were in conjunction with other charges in an arrest.
For an example, a woman from Pennsylvania was arrested in NJ because she was driving locked and loaded when pulled over for a traffic stop. She ad a license in PA, but that doesn't mean shit in NJ. Among the many charges she received they popped her for "high capacity magazine" and "hollow point ammunition".
So the police don't park outside shooting ranges and do magazine inspections, but they will throw charges on top when they do arrest someone.
Exactly. If we give an inch they will take a mile. Do you know what is a common trait shared by ALL predators? They do not see compromise as good-will and civility on the part of the victim. They see weakness. They laugh to themselves and say: "Ha, see? They ain't gonna do shit." The last thing you want a predator to spot is hesitation and reluctance. That will initiate the feeding frenzy, with you as the main course. "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" seems to be the certain movie trope that we have to employ if we want to show how serious we are about our rights.
That said, I just spent yesterday sending a couple of letters to Jersey state legislature telling them that they really need to step up their schooling on what the Constitution means and that they should spend some resources on doing something about the REAL criminals that are walking around the streets preying on innocent folks.
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Good points made in this post. Kinda the vibe I'm getting from the people I've been talking to is that people recognize that things are bad and they like my ideas and would be willing to contribute to it. (and I've been talking to pretty much anyone that'll listen - in person, on the net, whatever. Everywhere I go these days, if I make eye contact with someone I'm bringing up the big issues. Also reaching out to old friends and colleagues that run businesses and move around a lot.)
That being said, I dunno if we really ought to just focus on the 2A. It's not the ONLY thing under attack. Really, the American way of life is under attack, and I think an organization that focuses on THAT one thing would be pretty spectacular.
Lots of people are pissed about a lot of things (especially shit like this), but just focusing on the one issue kinda alienates other folks. I think the effort should be in the direction of restoring the American way of life, removing all the nerf bars and warning labels, and doing crazy, dangerous, and badass shit like we used to before the commies neutered us with TV, porn, and welfare.
I'm even inclined to jettison any disparaging talk about anything. NJ gun ban? Fuck it, I assume everyone that's worth anything knows about it and doesn't like it for the same reasons I don't like it. Commies gonna commie, why waste time talking about that?
Going forward, I think the conversation should be around how awesome America is, how powerful We The People are, and how nuts it's gonna be when we're literally taking it upon ourselves to rebuild what was destroyed, reclaim what was lost, and REALLY, truly, make a huge positive impact on all of our lives.
Land of the free, home of the brave. Gotta revive the spirit.
As far as computer savvy people spreading the message... Workin' on it, man.
It may seem a little silly to consider that I, QnD, actually think putting out a crafted message will somehow result in people rallying around me, giving me resources beyond comprehension, and being one giant step in the direction of putting together some stuff that'll really give the American people some teeth, claws, and balls.
But, if it works, I'm gonna create ~21000 corporations (one in every city and every state). People that work for this local corporation are going to have all the money they need to do the things they think they need to do, whatever that might be. Hurricane fucks stuff up? We're re-building that shit, like, NOW. They'll also have enough money to buy some private property for the purpose of getting together, getting better at everything, and having some damn good fun.
To go along with that, an army of lawyers (A law firm) and an insurance company that insures people against all the risks associated with being a badass American doing badass American shit.
Naturally, a software company will be on the list. People that work for any unit associated with this idea will, as a matter of day to day activities, interact with each other on the platforms cranked out by the software company. An unprecedented level of transparency is possible here. The intended effect is, from the perspective of someone that HATES America: "We see it coming, but there's nothing we can do to stop it." From the perspective of someone that LOVES America: "This is the coolest fucking thing ever. Thank God I am alive today."
Big idea, way bigger than anything I could ever hope to achieve alone.
You want to talk about protesting? Imagine the impact of a decentralized campaign where the people that are protesting literally have shit like that in their job description, and they're all operating in their own back yards.
'Merica, FUCK YEAH!
P.S. - I've been praying for the opportunity to have a corporate lawyer friend that likes to drink, smoke, shoot, and talk about shit like this.
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I agree 100%.
You talk about it too much the piece of shit pussy cops are going to come charge you with conspiracy.
The same cops that never have time for real crime
You should be anti most Leo. They sure as hell are anti your freedom and anti all your rights including the second amendment.
All my mags are 9 round 50 Beowulf. It's coincidence that you can jam thirty rounds of 5.56 in there, it's not what they're made for.
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There should simply be no ban... period. If it takes L.E. to overturn it for everyone, so much the better. And I agree, that there should not be a loophole for L.E. Shall not be infringed, does not say "L.E."
The Fed Preemption on this is clear-cut. But, as someone above said, now the people of NJ have to wait years before it gets to SCOTUS, and spend millions of dollars on lawyers. They are trying to bankrupt people into compliance. Another way that slimy NY leftist billionaires, can destroy the lives of the proletariat who are clearly (in their minds) not smart enough to become billionaires. And must be lorded over.
Buy more rope.
Cheers,
Sirhr
P.S. And ammo.
The Fed Preemption on this is clear-cut. But, as someone above said, now the people of NJ have to wait years before it gets to SCOTUS, and spend millions of dollars on lawyers. They are trying to bankrupt people into compliance. Another way that slimy NY leftist billionaires, can destroy the lives of the proletariat who are clearly (in their minds) not smart enough to become billionaires. And must be lorded over.
Buy more rope.
Cheers,
Sirhr
P.S. And ammo.
I was with you until you drug porn into the discussion... Porn di'n do nuffin...
Founding Fathers gave us 2nd amendment which is the right to use a firearm even if it means using it to preserve the right itself. When government starts working against the people ( removing your rights ) your duty is to remove that government using the 2nd amendment then you vote in a new government. Founding Fathers made this shit real fucking simple I don't why we have any gun control laws at all , did we give up at sometime ?
Seems everyone has. Why don’t you round up a bunch of hiders and get rid of the current gov? I’m fine with you doing this as long as good men get put in place. But it wouldn’t be as easy as it was back in the day and would quickly just turn into a free for all for who knows how long.
New Jersey will be gun free within 4 years, mag ban was the first step in the process to test the waters as suspected no resistance what so ever.Its amazing a hand full of liberal politicians can disarm its citizens with a pen without a shot fired. We are the next Venezuela I guess when all citizens turned over their guns to the government.
I predict eliminating the LEO exemption will end poorly for this law. Police unions are typically all for undue restrictions on law abiding citizens- so long as they are exempt. Throwing the police in with the proletariat may have been unwise...
fuck them. Fuck them extra. Laws are supposed to apply to everyone equal. politicians giving those cops exemptions so they will enforce their tyranny. They shouldn't have any more rights on duty off duty civilian whatever. If we can't carry or have new mgs they shouldn't either.
Sadly, you are correct, unless we can all mobilize and do something about it. But you see nobody knows exactly what to do ab is too scared to do it.
Glad that cop arrested her for being able to defend herself without a .gov permission slip.
Scum.
For one stop supporting the police. Saying they are heros, donating to their causes, being nice to them etc. Treat them how they deserve to be treated. They are going to be the ones enforcing all this crap and look at ny/co/ca etc. They won't hesitate to "enforce the law". Especially on a law abiding person who they know won't fight back. They support these laws. And there are exceptions but it is a small small minority. Good luck finding one that will risk any part of their job/lifestyle to not enforce these bs laws.
Annnnnnd it looks like the governor is going to sign a bill that will allow NJ cops to have/own/carry 17 round magazines while on or off duty AND have more that 17 rounds as approved by their chief:
http://nj1015.com/you-cant-have-large-ammo-magazines-in-nj-but-now-cops-can/
You can’t have large ammo magazines in NJ. But soon cops could
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The bill now on Gov. Phil Murphy’s desk would let off-duty police carry magazines holding 17 rounds of ammunition or less. They could possess magazines that can carry more than 17 rounds, if it’s used with their work-issued firearm.
Colligan said he didn’t receive calls from any police officers over the past week who had gotten into trouble carrying guns while off-duty.
“Some people chose to be at risk. Some departments, some chiefs, as they should consider their members always on duty. Because we are always on duty. Those chiefs were allowing their members to continue to carry it,” he said. “But some departments and some prosecutor’s offices didn’t want their members carrying the larger capacity magazines off duty, which quite frankly doesn’t make sense to me. But they’re responsible for their members, and that’s what they chose to do.”
http://nj1015.com/you-cant-have-large-ammo-magazines-in-nj-but-now-cops-can/
You can’t have large ammo magazines in NJ. But soon cops could
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The bill now on Gov. Phil Murphy’s desk would let off-duty police carry magazines holding 17 rounds of ammunition or less. They could possess magazines that can carry more than 17 rounds, if it’s used with their work-issued firearm.
Colligan said he didn’t receive calls from any police officers over the past week who had gotten into trouble carrying guns while off-duty.
“Some people chose to be at risk. Some departments, some chiefs, as they should consider their members always on duty. Because we are always on duty. Those chiefs were allowing their members to continue to carry it,” he said. “But some departments and some prosecutor’s offices didn’t want their members carrying the larger capacity magazines off duty, which quite frankly doesn’t make sense to me. But they’re responsible for their members, and that’s what they chose to do.”
No reason what so ever for LEO to have 17 round mags it only puts citizens at risk and if everyone in the state only have 10 rounds mags you don't need more rounds to defeat someone with only 10 rounds. Murphy and his family is now protected by 17 round mags and the rest of the citizens are forced to have 10 rounds. This tax on law abiding citizens for the cost of these mags should be paid by the state, criminals get a pass on this one as Murphy stated he has their backs.
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