Can anyone tell me what the most competitive caliber in NRL hunter series is used. Thinking about building a new gun that will work for Texas hunting as well. Thanks
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I have a 25 creed that would make power factor. I just looked up the rules and had good luck with it for the 2020 season.
Getting hung up on caliber for NRL Hunter isn't necessary. Pick one and run it. With the target sizes and distances, one won't make you more successful than another. 6.5, 260, 7-08, 7 SAW, 25 creed, etc.
I've seen 300 normas and 28 noslers at matches. Just remember, ties go to power factor.
I've seen 300 normas and 28 noslers at matches. Just remember, ties go to power factor.
There were several shooting 6.5 PRC on my squad at Belt, MT. They did very well with it…
6.5 creed has been the most winning so far..
Seen a lot of 6.5x47 and 6.5 creed. Several .308
That 28 nosler hits.
I have the 25 creed being built as we speak. Will send pix when done. Manners stock, triggertech, S&B and Impact. Should be fun....and practical
Sounds awesome! You’ll love it. My 6 creed and 260 see very little use after my 25 was showed up. Originally terminus, tt, ks, vortex and krg but now in a manners as well
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I couldn’t make PF with a 22” and 140 ELDMs. I did with a 24” and the 140s. If you bump to the 150 class bullets I had success with the shorter barrel.
I can’t make power factor either. 18” 6.5 creed in light division. So I just shoot factory 140eldm ammo. I would like to try loading up like the 153.5 bergers and see. I would have to get to 2,475 and that might be tough without running them pretty hot.
What brass or what was your load data?
With 140s you gotta be 2715. I was able to do with with Petersen brass but I was right on the edge of pressure.
Going out tomorrow to do a workout in hornady brass
Hornady brass. I did try the 145 Barnes mb but couldn’t get there. I don’t remember the numbers cause that was two years ago. The last two seasons I shot factory ammo. My hunting load which this is my actual hunting rifle also is 143eldx with 42.5G of h4350 and it’s only 2,650.
I’m building a 6.5CM. Waiting on my action to finish my build. 24” Proof CF barrel.
I have some 140 and 147 ELD-Ms I’m planning to try, and also have access to some Berger 144’s and 153s. H4350 is what I have the most of, but not adverse to trying something else if it’ll help me get the velocity I need.
I have some 140 and 147 ELD-Ms I’m planning to try, and also have access to some Berger 144’s and 153s. H4350 is what I have the most of, but not adverse to trying something else if it’ll help me get the velocity I need.
Don’t remember 100% but it was Peterson brass with probably 41.5gn H4350. It was also out of a factory TC Compass II action/barrel lol. I was juuust on the edge, but never willing to take the risk of not making power so just shot Hornady factory 140.
I did shoot a match with 156’s at like 2500ish I think. Guy taking cards had to do a double take.
For the last 2 matches last year I switched guns completely and ran a 24” criterion barrel and was at a comfortable 2750 fps with 140s.
Doesn’t look like one to me but the head honcho of nrl hunter made that comment to my buddy and I….. I was running a similar setup to yours except I had a krg stock on mine.
I’m not convinced Travis really knows much about guns or shooting in general.
You know Berger sells loaded rounds too?
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www.opticsplanet.com Ya no point in those for me really. Only reason Im shooting factory ammo is it’s hard to make power factor with an 18” barrel. The Hornady actually shoots dam good in this rifle and the Berger factory is just more money for more the. Likely similar results. The 153.5 idea is just to see if I could make power factor reloading with them. If so my reloads would be better then factory in the sd/es department for sure over factory.You know Berger sells loaded rounds too?
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Higher BC, lower SDs, 10% more expensive
Hornady has always printed tight groups, reliably sub 0.5moa @ 100yds for me... but with absolute dogshit SD/ES. See photo - Laughed & quit chronoing after that. Took it out to 720yds & the velocity difference definitely showed
Hornady has always printed tight groups, reliably sub 0.5moa @ 100yds for me... but with absolute dogshit SD/ES. See photo - Laughed & quit chronoing after that. Took it out to 720yds & the velocity difference definitely showed
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You'll see people comment on the felt recoil from a 153.5gr versus a 140gr... it's very real & IMO the 153.5gr is an improvement for spotting impacts.
I've got a boatload of SMKs, Match Burners, ELD-Ms, OTMs... it's possible I never shoot a match with anything but the 153.5 LRHT
I've got a boatload of SMKs, Match Burners, ELD-Ms, OTMs... it's possible I never shoot a match with anything but the 153.5 LRHT
Very true.
With factory ammo, Berger has been more consistent (10-12fps SD) than Hornady (15+fps SD) for me. That said, @ 700yds the 50 ES I saw is only what, max 0.3mil difference? If Hornady is working for you & you're familiar w/ the ammo, it may not be worth a change... esp if you're not seeing the SD/ES I do. Just throwing something out there for you
With factory ammo, Berger has been more consistent (10-12fps SD) than Hornady (15+fps SD) for me. That said, @ 700yds the 50 ES I saw is only what, max 0.3mil difference? If Hornady is working for you & you're familiar w/ the ammo, it may not be worth a change... esp if you're not seeing the SD/ES I do. Just throwing something out there for you
Is it really that noticeable? I was set on shooting 6creed for Mammoth challenge but just found out im also shooting NRL hunter. Not wanting to have to buy two barrels, I was thinking about just running 6.5 Creedmore for both. But didn't want to get rid of the flatness of the 6mm and the lower recoil. Seems likes this could help lower recoil for faster follow up shots?
No, it's not a massive difference and it's not really that the 153's are lower recoil, they just recoil slightly slower.* I can feel a difference and find I can control the 153.5's better in many positions. YMMV. Recoil won't really affect the speed of your follow up shots, but your ability to control recoil will absolutely affect your ability to spot hits/misses, which in turn will affect your ability to make a follow-up hit.
The real difference between 153.5's & any 140 is in the BC... .356 v. .321 g7 shows up downrange. I need that additional margin of error. If by "flatness" you just mean drop, that isn't an issue for conventional field matches. Gravity is remarkably consistent. What other .264 bullets/weights are you considering?
Also... I should have said "it's possible I never shoot another match with anything but the 153.5 LRHT." I've shot the OTMs, SMKs, GTXs, etc. in past matches
*will vary upon what velocity you're running each at, but my observations/comments are off my 140's loads that I run 100fps? faster than 153.5's to compensate for worse BCs
The real difference between 153.5's & any 140 is in the BC... .356 v. .321 g7 shows up downrange. I need that additional margin of error. If by "flatness" you just mean drop, that isn't an issue for conventional field matches. Gravity is remarkably consistent. What other .264 bullets/weights are you considering?
Also... I should have said "it's possible I never shoot another match with anything but the 153.5 LRHT." I've shot the OTMs, SMKs, GTXs, etc. in past matches
*will vary upon what velocity you're running each at, but my observations/comments are off my 140's loads that I run 100fps? faster than 153.5's to compensate for worse BCs
I think a 6.5 with a 144 is pretty “do all” and wouldn’t be giving up anything noticeable to a 6cm or a 6.5 with 153 or similar
I've shot Berger 6.5CM factory ammo that had worse ES/SD than that. I also got a lot of 300WM 215gr that the ES was almost 100fps. I've had my share of issues with Hornady factory ammo, but the Berger has been bad enough on multiple occasions that I won't buy it anymore.
I've had some Hornady lots that had 40-50fps ES but its usually 20-30 which I consider very good for factory ammo. Even the cheap american gunner is usually in the 30fps range and it can be had for a little over $1/rd.
Yeah, I'm probably being a little picky. Just used to getting sub-8 SDs w/ handloads w/out putting in too much effort
Had a friend show me his chrono from his 28 Nosler to show off velocity... 49 SD & I think 100 ES, I nearly shit a brick
Had a friend show me his chrono from his 28 Nosler to show off velocity... 49 SD & I think 100 ES, I nearly shit a brick
If Staying with 6.5 creed I was thinking of Shooting 130's for mammoth for a flater trajectory like the 6 creed with less recoil to spot impacts/misses.
For NRL I was thinking of running either 143 eldx or 147's to meet power factory. I will have 24in proof barrel.
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Also consider the 123gr Scenars.
They have a pretty high BC considering the lighter weight and can shoot them a bit faster than 130s.
They used to be quite cheap too but Hornady 130s are probably cheaper these days (if that matters to you).
It helps! This is my first comp. My current 6.5 creed, 22inch barrel likes Hornady eld 140 at 2650 avg, with .6 moa. SD are around 19-24. I've tried federal, sig, hornady( ssg, eld, blacks, eldx), blackhills, and unknown munitions. The Unknown Munitions 140s are fast and would make power factor at 2740avg, but they group poorly in my barrel, 1.5 moa.
might try the bergers.
Think I might just run factory ammo for nrl hunter and not worry about power factor with my current 22inch barrel in 6.5 creed. It makes weight under 12lbs for open light. Imsteading of ordering another barrel but in 24 inch.
then swamp out my barrel for the proof carbon 6mm creed for the mammoth challenge to shave weight...
Am I thinking about the right way?
