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NY SAFE Compliant AR Stock

Greg Langelius *

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After finding myself embroiled in an Internet shouting match over the NY SAFE Act, I decided to see how one might go about owning a legal and unregistered AR in NY state.

Turns out a viable (if hokey looking) solution was no further away than my LGS. Thordsen Customs provides an NY SAFE Compliant Stock system, their FRS-15. Ordered last Friday, the dealer installed the stock, and the required Carbine length buffer system, and I took it to the range this past Thursday. The cost for stock, buffer, and installation runs about $255 including tax.

It looks weird, no question; but it also allows the AR to be brought out into the open and shot in public with no (current) legislative strings attached.

Once one gets behind the rifle, though, it fits great, functions at least as well as the previous Stag furniture, and feels perfectly normal to a shooter who shoots conventional (non-pistol-grip) rifles. After some shooting, looking over, and digestion; it just about perfectly fulfills the notion of how one might design an AR if the pistol grip was not originally deemed a necessity. Personally, I'm not at all certain the stock could easily weather repeated vertical butt strokes of a full tilt boogie Military nature, but since I'm not in a Military slot, I can deal with that pretty well.

I like my scope mounts low, and the carbine-length buffer tube cover provides a pretty ideal cheek rest, and can also line up pretty well with the 45 degree offset BUIS I have mounted. There is a single point sling mount supplied, and a total of five anchor points in useful locations.

So, in answer to those who wished I enjoy the NY SAFE Act, I will never enjoy it; but I will also do just fine in the face of it. Thanks for providing me an incentive to finding a way to pull the SAFE's fangs. Here in NY that's a pretty good development.

Meanwhile those of you who own unregistered ARs can now find a way to get them out of the closet in a fairly reasonable manner.

Greg
 
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So am I, but if it allows us New Yorkers to take some of those legislative Peckerheads' attention off our long suffering fellow shooters in CA, I think that's a good thing.

We will all stand together, or none of us will come out of this intact.

Greg
 
Greg Langelius * said:
We will all stand together, or none of us will come out of this intact.Greg
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Some people have a hard time grasping this. Greg, do you have any idea why the carbine length buffer tube is required? Will the stock not clear a standard buffer tube? We are road tripping to CA this summer and this may be an option to take along some backup.
 
Yes, exactly; the standard length buffer interferes with the stock's shape. Open the link in the first post and see how things fit. The butt pad won't clear a standard tube.

Greg
 
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Thank you sir, I have been considering building a 300BLK truck gun and I will remember to go the carbine length buffer tube route so I can switch when visiting freedom challenged states.
 
Just a reminder, it takes more than just the installation of the NY SAFE Act compliant stock to be legal in this crappy state. If it has any one of the features described here, https://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/RiflesBannedFeatures.pdf it isn't legal. So if you had one of the many previously NYS legal AR's that had a muzzle brake or compensator to comply with the 1994 changes to article 265 of NYS penal law, those guns now need to have the muzzle devices removed as well as any threads that were underneath. After 1994, a good deal of the AR's shipped to NYS had muzzle brakes pinned and welded or press fit and cross pinned to comply with NYS version of the 1994 AWB. That legislation never sunset in 2004 in NYS. Now all AR's coming into this state have to have bare muzzles as well as the new SAFE Act compliant stock. If you decided to register your AR, you can leave your banned features in place, but the law gets a little complicated as to how you can legally dispose of it. You also have to renew your registration on a five year basis.
 
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Greg: are you permitted to keep the old stock hardware for your rifle, or does the NY SAFE Act require that it be disposed of?
 
The SAFE Act addresses parts on the rifle.

Magazine capacity over 10 was banned in 1994 and still applies, magazine capacity over 7 was banned by SAFE, but overturned by NY State Supreme Court.

Greg
 
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But owning a magazine over 10rds is now illegal. Prior to the SAFE Act it was legal to own any pre 1994 ban magazine of 10 or greater capacity. We have been thoroughly ass punched without any lube.
 
You NY'ers do know this isn't the end, right? So why not just throw 'em all in the shredder now and save yourself the cost of doing "downgrades" that will only cost you more in the end? I mean fuck, it's the way you're headed already?

They passed a law there that they know good and damn well will make many of you felons overnight. They know you have that shit in your closet, that you aren't going to throw away an $xx,000+ investment. They figure they'll get you in line or your ass will be in Rikers. The 94 ban did much the same --I saw illegal AK's ALL OVER Alabama in pawn shops in the late 90's. Lots of people went to prison and are still there for violating a bullshit law that isn't even on the books anymore.

Up here, we legalized cans and SBR's at the same time the rest of the country was banning shit (along with marijuana and gay marriage and other shit I forget). You guys do know you're welcome up here, right? People here just don't give a shit what the other is doing if it doesn't affect them.

Anyway, good luck whatever your route.
 
Throwing in the towel is exactly what they want. I will not say more on this forum other than registering any of my firearms will never happen. They are compliant with the law..end of story. There are battles waging in the courts because of it and while most will not win our side it creates a stronger coalition for the next round. We are hopeful a change will come in November and if voters that truly give a shit show up at the polls then our voice has been heard.

If the backdoor passage of this diatribe that isn't worth the paper its printed on isn't enough to wake up enough people in this state to make a change now then we are nothing more than lamb led to the slaughter...and yes moving is surely worth considering.
 
Strykervet said:
You NY'ers do know this isn't the end, right? So why not just throw 'em all in the shredder now and save yourself the cost of doing "downgrades" that will only cost you more in the end? I mean fuck, it's the way you're headed already?

They passed a law there that they know good and damn well will make many of you felons overnight. They know you have that shit in your closet, that you aren't going to throw away an $xx,000+ investment. They figure they'll get you in line or your ass will be in Rikers. The 94 ban did much the same --I saw illegal AK's ALL OVER Alabama in pawn shops in the late 90's. Lots of people went to prison and are still there for violating a bullshit law that isn't even on the books anymore.

Up here, we legalized cans and SBR's at the same time the rest of the country was banning shit (along with marijuana and gay marriage and other shit I forget). You guys do know you're welcome up here, right? People here just don't give a shit what the other is doing if it doesn't affect them.

Anyway, good luck whatever your route.
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Me and my wife are headed up there in a few years when she finishes her contract provided we can find jobs, regardless we're moving out of fucking California but Washington is number one right now
 
Look, I can understand the tendency to question or dispute the plight of NY-ers and others whose states are gunowner-hostile; but I suspect we are all rather missing the main, glaring point.

What we gunowners are facing is not a state-by-state problem. What has come to visit our doors is but a few steps away from everyone else's. Rather than trying to jam this crap down the throats of American gunowners all at once, they are floating their turds in a series of smaller pools, looking to find more successful ploys, trying to find out which ploy draws a successful opposition.

They are betting that they can push us all into the same corner, knowing full well that history suggests such oppression has generated an armed backlash in our Nation's storied past. They are betting that history will not repeat itself.

So far, they are dead on the money. Personally, I seriously believe they have judged us absolutely right. Do you?

Its all part of an incremental, inexorable strategy.

Point whatever fingers you want. Hoot a hard as you like at the other guys' plight.

This selfsame show is coming to a theater in your hometown, sure and certain, and definitely sooner than you like.

Greg
 
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NY SAFE Compliant AR Stock

Windhamweaponry has one that looks like this
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I got an email a couple of days ago about it. They don't sell just the stock from what I've been told.
 
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Greg Langelius * said:
Look, I can understand the tendency to question or dispute the plight of NY-ers and others whose states are gunowner-hostile; but I suspect we are all rather missing the main, glaring point.

What we gunowners are facing is not a state-by-state problem. What has come to visit our doors is but a few steps away from everyone else's. Rather than trying to jam this crap down the throats of American gunowners all at once, they are floating their turds in a series of smaller pools, looking to find more successful ploys, trying to find out which ploy draws a successful opposition.

They are betting that they can push us all into the same corner, knowing full well that history suggests such oppression has generated an armed backlash in our Nation's storied past. They are betting that history will not repeat itself.

So far, they are dead on the money. Personally, I seriously believe they have judged us absolutely right. Do you?

Its all part of an incremental, inexorable strategy.

Point whatever fingers you want. Hoot a hard as you like at the other guys' plight.

This selfsame show is coming to a theater in your hometown, sure and certain, and definitely sooner than you like.

Greg
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Unfortunately, I think you're right.
 
Greg I believe you are correct to a point. Certain geographical areas are a test bed because historically gradual erosion has worked, so why not push the limits? However there are certain climates that do not agree with disarming its residents not would its residents stand for it. I promise you the path to bloodshed is only a short distance away when they knock on the wrong door.
 
Dark Horse said:
Greg I believe you are correct to a point. Certain geographical areas are a test bed because historically gradual erosion has worked, so why not push the limits? However there are certain climates that do not agree with disarming its residents not would its residents stand for it. I promise you the path to bloodshed is only a short distance away when they knock on the wrong door.
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I don't see much compliance happening here in Wyoming.
 
Yep, that abortion of a stock is gonna save a lot of lives indeed and Greg, when you are right you are right.
Cheers.
 
Frankly the biggest injustice within this thread is the fact installation was $100. I'm in shock...seriously.
 
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Maybe not $100. They not only installed the stock and buffer tube cover, they also needed to completely replace the Rifle length buffer and tube with the Carbine length equivalents.

Honestly, this works, it's not exorbitant, it resolves the legal issues, and I'm not on any registration list.

Yet.

Greg
 
I think perhaps what those stuck in socialist states need, is someone to make a very nice traditional wood looking set of furniture for the AR15 rifles & make the AR15 look as much as possible like a classic M1A or hunting rifle etc, use a flat top upper and have flip up sights only (not fixed front post) and suddenly you have something that looks very much like something non threatening to the idiots.

I'd possibly go as far as having the upper and lower hydro dipped to a wood grain pattern.

Then the anti freedom oppressor wannabes will have to work a lot harder at convincing the sheeple that they are so scary and evil & they will be forced to show their true end game intention of taking everyone's guns away.
 
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Badshot308 said:
Just a reminder, it takes more than just the installation of the NY SAFE Act compliant stock to be legal in this crappy state. If it has any one of the features described here, https://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/RiflesBannedFeatures.pdf it isn't legal. So if you had one of the many previously NYS legal AR's that had a muzzle brake or compensator to comply with the 1994 changes to article 265 of NYS penal law, those guns now need to have the muzzle devices removed as well as any threads that were underneath. After 1994, a good deal of the AR's shipped to NYS had muzzle brakes pinned and welded or press fit and cross pinned to comply with NYS version of the 1994 AWB. That legislation never sunset in 2004 in NYS. Now all AR's coming into this state have to have bare muzzles as well as the new SAFE Act compliant stock. If you decided to register your AR, you can leave your banned features in place, but the law gets a little complicated as to how you can legally dispose of it. You also have to renew your registration on a five year basis.
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Oh good god in heaven!!!!!! How do you people stand to live there!?!?!?

Sent from my IRULU-AX106 using Tapatalk
 
We have to work a tad harder to cope, but what politicians can screw up, good people can work around. My neighbors (mostly) understand what's at work here, and are not inclined to cut and run. Like most, we have our crosses to bear, and at least we can find the great majority of the really bad apples in one place should we ever find reason to look.

One can walk into the LGS and find SKS's (they have been on the shelves through all of this), and AR's are back, with the new stocks and target crowns.

Greg
 
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