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    Hello guys, I am a long-range virgin I have shot over 1k...with a 25mm cannon in a Bradley fighting vehicle ( the new one where the computer does all the work) if that counts lol. So prior infantry m16, m4, saw, 240. Optics wise eotech, acog, and m68's. Is most of my firearms experience. So the typical ranges those are fired with whatever combination of optics.

    I came into a bit of money ended up with 2 long guns. One is a browning xbolt in 7mm mag ( had a buddy who was struggling after the army money wise so helped him)
    Then a buddy sold me a howa 1500 the hogue stock one with a 20in bull/heavy barrel for 300 bucks also was sucking on money. So my main go to with my new learning process is the 308. One of my sniper buddies who's still with the 101 told me get good glass, rings, and rail. For my budget, at the time I did vortex pst ii 3x15, a 0 moa rail by nightforce (it was on closeout) and vortex rings. He told me to get a few different boxes of ammo to see what my gun likes, which confused me then he explained he could have the same setup as me, and his might shoot a smaller moa with gold metal match, whereas your's might like black hills blah. He said to get one box of cheap shit to zero/get on paper I chose pmc whatever was on sale.

    Now onto the questions.

    I finally took it out and zero'd with the pmc freezing my ass off just using my backpack as a rest at a sitdown-type shooting range. I didn't really have the steadiest shots my fault for not joining earlier and reading about how important having the rear secure was lol I shot like a 3 moa. Completely on me for sucking on this one. At a high zoom, you'd be surprised how much that little reticle moves when you're shivering lol.

    What all do you recommend I buy starting out? With the 20in 308 I have I'm not really looking to push out further than 600-800 as of right now as I'm slowly learning. Do I need to buy a kestrel, bags/sandsocks, I saw some morbidly obese guy next to with a rather expensive looking 6.5 creedmore using something called a lead sled to zero, but then he was hitting out to 1000 on steel at the range. I didn't even know things like that existed.

    As for the random boxes of ammo I grabbed to try that I haven't shot yet.
    168 grain HPBT prvi partisan
    imi 175 grain otm in 7.62x51
    150 grain fiochi range dynamics
    168 grain a max hornady black
    175 grain hpbt seirra gold metal match
    175 grain tipped matchking black hills

    those were the ones my gun store had not sure which are garbage/good still need to test them out. So once I find out which shoots the most accurately with my firearm I read to reset the zero stops. Then adjust from there when shooting different ranges and such. If say the Black hills gives me the best zero which also happens to be the most expensive, and I wanted to go out and just fuck around with cheap stuff say the PMC or the IMI would I just write down whatever the adjustment was for that ammo, while still retaining the zero stop stuff for whatever is the most accurate? I read about the apps suggested on here that seem to be like a digital dope book, I can download one of those as well.

    Sorry for the extra long post if you read through all this thank you. If I asked or said something stupid and must get flammed flame on.
     
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    Hello guys, I am a long-range virgin I have shot over 1k...with a 25mm cannon in a Bradley fighting vehicle ( the new one where the computer does all the work) if that counts lol. So prior infantry m16, m4, saw, 240. Optics wise eotech, acog, and m68's. Is most of my firearms experience. So the typical ranges those are fired with whatever combination of optics.

    I came into a bit of money ended up with 2 long guns. One is a browning xbolt in 7mm mag ( had a buddy who was struggling after the army money wise so helped him)
    Then a buddy sold me a howa 1500 the hogue stock one with a 20in bull/heavy barrel for 300 bucks also was sucking on money. So my main go to with my new learning process is the 308. One of my sniper buddies who's still with the 101 told me get good glass, rings, and rail. For my budget, at the time I did vortex pst ii 3x15, a 0 moa rail by nightforce (it was on closeout) and vortex rings. He told me to get a few different boxes of ammo to see what my gun likes, which confused me then he explained he could have the same setup as me, and his might shoot a smaller moa with gold metal match, whereas your's might like black hills blah. He said to get one box of cheap shit to zero/get on paper I chose pmc whatever was on sale.

    Now onto the questions.

    I finally took it out and zero'd with the pmc freezing my ass off just using my backpack as a rest at a sitdown-type shooting range. I didn't really have the steadiest shots my fault for not joining earlier and reading about how important having the rear secure was lol I shot like a 3 moa. Completely on me for sucking on this one. At a high zoom, you'd be surprised how much that little reticle moves when you're shivering lol.

    What all do you recommend I buy starting out? With the 20in 308 I have I'm not really looking to push out further than 600-800 as of right now as I'm slowly learning. Do I need to buy a kestrel, bags/sandsocks, I saw some morbidly obese guy next to with a rather expensive looking 6.5 creedmore using something called a lead sled to zero, but then he was hitting out to 1000 on steel at the range. I didn't even know things like that existed.

    As for the random boxes of ammo I grabbed to try that I haven't shot yet.
    168 grain HPBT prvi partisan
    imi 175 grain otm in 7.62x51
    150 grain fiochi range dynamics
    168 grain a max hornady black
    175 grain hpbt seirra gold metal match
    175 grain tipped matchking black hills

    those were the ones my gun store had not sure which are garbage/good still need to test them out. So once I find out which shoots the most accurately with my firearm I read to reset the zero stops. Then adjust from there when shooting different ranges and such. If say the Black hills gives me the best zero which also happens to be the most expensive, and I wanted to go out and just fuck around with cheap stuff say the PMC or the IMI would I just write down whatever the adjustment was for that ammo, while still retaining the zero stop stuff for whatever is the most accurate? I read about the apps suggested on here that seem to be like a digital dope book, I can download one of those as well.

    Sorry for the extra long post if you read through all this thank you. If I asked or said something stupid and must get flammed flame on.
    I have the Viper 3-15 on a Rem 700 in .308 as primarily an eastern whitetail gun. For right now, I’d say stick w what you have and invest in a GOOD bipod and a rear rest bag.

    Might want to keep an eye out in the PX sub forum for used bipods. I personally would recommend BT Industry’s CAL Bipod as a good unit with a reasonable price compared to many others.

    Rear bag…Precision Underground ELR Pro is one of my favorites. Also, Marc Taylor (Frank Galli…site owner…teaching partner) has a very reasonably price bag that works very well. I have one of those also. Just search for member @Enough Said and you will find his thread on them and how to order quite near the top of the list.

    Then join as a “supporter” here on this site which will give you access to the training section and the many great topic specific vids that are there.
    As far as ammo, just my opinion but until you can shoot very precisely…that is w good consistency…it will be hard to distinguish what ammo you gun may take a hankering to. Fed GOLD Medal Match (168 gr in particular but 175 also) are kind of the gold standard. Hard to go wrong w that in .308

    Best of luck.
     

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    I have the Viper 3-15 on a Rem 700 in .308 as primarily an eastern whitetail gun. For right now, I’d say stick w what you have and invest in a GOOD bipod and a rear rest bag.

    Might want to keep an eye out in the PX sub forum for used bipods. I personally would recommend BT Industry’s CAL Bipod as a good unit with a reasonable price compared to many others.

    Rear bag…Precision Underground ELR Pro is one of my favorites. Also, Marc Taylor (Frank Galli…site owner…teaching partner) has a very reasonably price bag that works very well. I have one of those also. Just search for member @Enough Said and you will find his thread on them and how to order quite near the top of the list.

    Then join as a “supporter” here on this site which will give you access to the training section and the many great topic specific vids that are there.
    As far as ammo, just my opinion but until you can shoot very precisely…that is w good consistency…it will be hard to distinguish what ammo you gun may take a hankering to. Fed GOLD Medal Match (168 gr in particular but 175 also) are kind of the gold standard. Hard to go wrong w that in .308

    Best of luck.
    Oh shit I forgot to say I ummmm borrowed a harris bipod from the army that is mounted on there.

    I will totally look into a rear bag I was trying to do the fist under rear but it was 27 out and I didn't really dress for it so I could see my shivering in my optic lol.

    Sounds like a good idea. I don't mind supporting a good cause. I wanted to test this place out, and so far I'm loving it so much knowledge. Some gun forums seem like they are filled with such tools, and dumb shit. Going through here it feels old school. Like some grown ass people who tell it like it is. I think I will become a supporter.
     
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  • Oh shit I forgot to say I ummmm borrowed a harris bipod from the army that is mounted on there.

    I will totally look into a rear bag I was trying to do the fist under rear but it was 27 out and I didn't really dress for it so I could see my shivering in my optic lol.

    Sounds like a good idea. I don't mind supporting a good cause. I wanted to test this place out, and so far I'm loving it so much knowledge. Some gun forums seem like they are filled with such tools, and dumb shit. Going through here it feels old school. Like some grown ass people who tell it like it is. I think I will become a supporter.
    A good rear bag makes all the difference in the world. I literally started our company bc rear bags had no design intent. They’re all just beads in a sack. I came up with a blend of materials to make a filler that makes holding the stock steady much, much easier.


    Be sure you’re not shouldering the rifle; don’t press your shoulder into the stock. Keep the shoulder relaxed, pull straight into it with your bicep. Don’t use a ton of cheek pressure. Use just enough to settle the stock into the bag. Do those things with one of our bags under your rifle and you’ll do much better than 3 moa 🤙🏼
     

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    Have you watched any YouTube videos. Ryan Cleckner, Phil and Caylynn, and snipers hide all have free videos to help get you started.
     
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    Whats your budget? What are you trying to achieve? Just plinking targets at distance, hunting competition or just fucking around?
     
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    you need a decent bipod and a bag that fits you and your rifle. You don't need a Kestrel, you should have some form of ballistic calculator, StrelokPro App works pretty decent. after that go shooting a bunch. watch videos, read etc
     
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    A good rear bag makes all the difference in the world. I literally started our company bc rear bags had no design intent. They’re all just beads in a sack. I came up with a blend of materials to make a filler that makes holding the stock steady much, much easier.


    Be sure you’re not shouldering the rifle; don’t press your shoulder into the stock. Keep the shoulder relaxed, pull straight into it with your bicep. Don’t use a ton of cheek pressure. Use just enough to settle the stock into the bag. Do those things with one of our bags under your rifle and you’ll do much better than 3 moa 🤙🏼
    Aww fuck me I was totally shouldering the shit out of the rifle. Cheek pressure I was good on. I was totally pulling that thing into my shoulder like life depended on me not letting that thing move at all. I ordered one I think it was the el-rx bag. I will be taking the babies out again soon, and will totally follow your advice. I was pulling into me like I was doing ready-up drills with an m4 lol.
     

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    Whats your budget? What are you trying to achieve? Just plinking targets at distance, hunting competition or just fucking around?
    On this build maybe another grand or so. This one is more for plinking at distance I don't have an area more then 600 near me, and a lot of fucking around. Once my 7mm sells I'll look for a more dedicated rifle, to possible venture into the competition world. I don't know shit about hunting not against it just never learned.
     

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  • Aww fuck me I was totally shouldering the shit out of the rifle. Cheek pressure I was good on. I was totally pulling that thing into my shoulder like life depended on me not letting that thing move at all. I ordered one I think it was the el-rx bag. I will be taking the babies out again soon, and will totally follow your advice. I was pulling into me like I was doing ready-up drills with an m4 lol.
    Thank you sir I think you’ll like the Rx. Pulling into the shoulder is good as long as it’s balanced and you’re pulling straight in/not steering. The tendency for newer shooters is to steer with the firing hand and press forward with their shoulder, don’t do that.