On the topic of Epstein

People are always looking for a conspiracy whether one exists or not. What better way to break up the public support that this president enjoys than to get his own base to attack him?

I’m just cyclical cynical enough to know that this is the exact tactic I would use if in a similar situation.

Edit: I did type cynical and verified before I posted. Thanks auto incorrect.
 
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I was interested in the article until I got to:

The whole -- meaning the whole of our institutions, government, universities, major corporations -- is not owned by some invisible, demonic “Zionist entity,” as the pro-Hamas people like to say, or by a satanic pedophile ring, as the outermost fringes of MAGA prefer. It is not kneading, molding us into submission. (And no, I am not a cog in this multitentacled beast, denying a crime that I am actually a part of, although I recognize that my denial of my noncrime will only exacerbate the incredulity.)

Those institutions may not be 'owned' but they surely are being influenced by someone or something. All the poison thats being dumped on us is not co incidence nor accident. Read the communist plan for overthrowing a country.

I think we've seen enough do realize that this statement invalidates his whole article. Why did Trump say no help for Israel then turn around and spend my tax dollars to bomb the shit out of them. NO help for Ukraine...now my tax dollars are flowing to the Ukes. Something is rotten and it a lot bigger than Denmark.
 
I voted for Trump 3 times. This is not a good look. His diversionary tactics make him look guilty as shit. Dump the files on us. I don't care who gets destroyed. Nobody gets a pass for molesting children, nobody.

I am holding out hope that this is happening:

The Democrats in the intelligence committee are blocking their attempts to release them. They wouldn't be able to tell anyone this. They are protecting people like Clinton and everything related to this in the last month or so, (Elon tweets etc) are theatrical and designed to make the democrat base demand they are released, so he can get around national security protocols..

My biggest fear is that the Jews own Trump completely, and there is plenty of reason to believe this, and they just told him no. They won't let their intelligence op get exposed to the world. They don't care about any kids, they just don't want to lose their leverage that they worked so hard to accumulate..
 
I was interested in the article until I got to:

The whole -- meaning the whole of our institutions, government, universities, major corporations -- is not owned by some invisible, demonic “Zionist entity,” as the pro-Hamas people like to say, or by a satanic pedophile ring, as the outermost fringes of MAGA prefer. It is not kneading, molding us into submission. (And no, I am not a cog in this multitentacled beast, denying a crime that I am actually a part of, although I recognize that my denial of my noncrime will only exacerbate the incredulity.)

Those institutions may not be 'owned' but they surely are being influenced by someone or something. All the poison thats being dumped on us is not co incidence nor accident. Read the communist plan for overthrowing a country.

I think we've seen enough do realize that this statement invalidates his whole article. Why did Trump say no help for Israel then turn around and spend my tax dollars to bomb the shit out of them. NO help for Ukraine...now my tax dollars are flowing to the Ukes. Something is rotten and it a lot bigger than Denmark.
You still don’t get how he works, do you? Yes, he is full of bluster and bluff. It’s part of his persona and also how he negotiates. I worked for 13 years for and then against a very successful small businessman who used the same tactics.

People who are transparent are terrible negotiators. I would be. Always keep your “allies” as well as your “enemies” off balance.

If you cannot follow how this has worked to accomplish so much already in such a short time, then start looking at a bigger picture approach and stop buying into every possible negative that others bring to your attention through media.

This isn’t about your emotions or how people feel. The stakes are much higher than that. Don’t be a good times supporter and then a detractor if something doesn’t go the way that you think/feel it should.
 
You still don’t get how he works, do you? Yes, he is full of bluster and bluff. It’s part of his persona and also how he negotiates. I worked for 13 years for and then against a very successful small businessman who used the same tactics.

People who are transparent are terrible negotiators. I would be. Always keep your “allies” as well as your “enemies” off balance.

If you cannot follow how this has worked to accomplish so much already in such a short time, then start looking at a bigger picture approach and stop buying into every possible negative that others bring to your attention through media.

This isn’t about your emotions or how people feel. The stakes are much higher than that. Don’t be a good times supporter and then a detractor if something doesn’t go the way that you think/feel it should.
Alright cool, so let's see the files. Nothing you just said explains why he is hiding the files. Call it transparency or whatever you want to, but if there is nothing to hide, dump the data.

If they aren't arresting people, then they are protecting them. I don't really see how this can be interpreted any other way.
 
Alright cool, so let's see the files. Nothing you just said explains why he is hiding the files. Call it transparency or whatever you want to, but if there is nothing to hide, dump the data.

If they aren't arresting people, then they are protecting them. I don't really see how this can be interpreted any other way.
You either didn’t read or don’t understand the article, did you?
 
Sure I'm disappointed they're not going to release the Epstein stuff, but I'm not naive enough to be used by the Left political party to attack Trump's saving of our republic. It's true that Trump can only offer a political solution when what we really need is a reset by the Citizens, but I'm not going to surrender to the Left because of the Epstein thing.

No other POTUS could deliver all of the great reversals of damage Trump has given us, and certainly not in the less than six months he's been in office.
 
Let's set aside the many statements that the FBI and DOJ have made wrt to the "thousands of documents" from Southern District of NY FBI office, their claim to have Maxwell's "little black book", hundreds if not thousands of young women trafficked for sex, etc, etc, etc....ad nauseam.

Ask yourself...is it reasonable that the absolutely ONLY picture of ANYBODY on Epstein's island with a girl is Andrew Windsor. The ONLY evidence of anybody being on that island is Windsor. Its total bullshit and they must think we are stupid.

Further, Bondi didn't make the decision to spike this story....no way, no how....and there is only one person who could have directed this horse shit coverup. And spike the story they indeed did.
 
You still don’t get how he works, do you? Yes, he is full of bluster and bluff. It’s part of his persona and also how he negotiates. I worked for 13 years for and then against a very successful small businessman who used the same tactics.

People who are transparent are terrible negotiators. I would be. Always keep your “allies” as well as your “enemies” off balance.

If you cannot follow how this has worked to accomplish so much already in such a short time, then start looking at a bigger picture approach and stop buying into every possible negative that others bring to your attention through media.

This isn’t about your emotions or how people feel. The stakes are much higher than that. Don’t be a good times supporter and then a detractor if something doesn’t go the way that you think/feel it should.

I have little, to nothing, to do with emotional responses. Emotions are a trap and best avoided.

I understand how that works, though I disagree with it. My personal take is know your position, state your position, then stand on it regardless of what others do. Of course allowing some room for negotiation.

I'm remided of a true story about a Quaker merchant who had a fabric store. A guy came in to buy some cloth. When he saw the price he screamed at the merchant "By God I'll not pay that price." He left and when he couldnt find the same stuff anywhere else he returned to the merchant and said "OK I'll take the cloth at your price." The Quaker merchant replied, "Sadly sir, I cannot sell you the cloth because by doing so I'd cause you to break your oath."

I'm not anti Trump, I'm not even anti Dumbocrat, not anti Israel. All of them put together arent enough to make me anti them. I'm pro truth, and as you mentioned, traansparency. If thats not good enough, then as some one published earlier, it doesnt deserve to stand. I've about had it with this world and its horseshit anyway, I'll damn sure not compromise my righteousness for temporal gain. And whether or not you can see, or admit it, America's righteousness is, and has been compromised for a long time. At least since JFK was asassinated, and well before. Why hasnt that shit been released, or do you believe in one shooter?

So if they've got info, spit it out, if you dont STFU and dont say you do to play games. Thats why the world is so fucked up now, Too many games.
 
Most Conservatives and Conservatarians are pro truth and transparency- but we also recognize that we don't live in a perfect world, Trump is imperfect, we're imperfect, and it's impossible to change any of that imperfection. Only the naive think it's worth bitching about this topic publicly when it only helps the opposition against what we the American people elected Trump to do. NO sane person thought Trump could do it all- he's only human.

The dems and rinos are loving every negative comment made by supposed patriotic Americans about Trump's decision on this, and that hurts Americans while helping them.

Instead we should be using that wasted energy to write, call, email Trump and Repubs to block ANY form of amnesty for illegals/DACA recipients, to insist ICE and other LawEnf start using more force on the insurgents, and to truly fix our broken elections system.
 
I have little, to nothing, to do with emotional responses. Emotions are a trap and best avoided.

I understand how that works, though I disagree with it. My personal take is know your position, state your position, then stand on it regardless of what others do. Of course allowing some room for negotiation.

I'm remided of a true story about a Quaker merchant who had a fabric store. A guy came in to buy some cloth. When he saw the price he screamed at the merchant "By God I'll not pay that price." He left and when he couldnt find the same stuff anywhere else he returned to the merchant and said "OK I'll take the cloth at your price." The Quaker merchant replied, "Sadly sir, I cannot sell you the cloth because by doing so I'd cause you to break your oath."

I'm not anti Trump, I'm not even anti Dumbocrat, not anti Israel. All of them put together arent enough to make me anti them. I'm pro truth, and as you mentioned, traansparency. If thats not good enough, then as some one published earlier, it doesnt deserve to stand. I've about had it with this world and its horseshit anyway, I'll damn sure not compromise my righteousness for temporal gain. And whether or not you can see, or admit it, America's righteousness is, and has been compromised for a long time. At least since JFK was asassinated, and well before. Why hasnt that shit been released, or do you believe in one shooter?

So if they've got info, spit it out, if you dont STFU and dont say you do to play games. Thats why the world is so fucked up now, Too many games.
How naive…
 
Most Conservatives and Conservatarians are pro truth and transparency- but we also recognize that we don't live in a perfect world, Trump is imperfect, we're imperfect, and it's impossible to change any of that imperfection. Only the naive think it's worth bitching about this topic publicly when it only helps the opposition against what we the American people elected Trump to do. NO sane person thought Trump could do it all- he's only human.
No child molesters get a pass. None of them. If God told me to snap my fingers and all child molesters will die immediately, I'd probably break my own hand trying to snap them so hard. If Trump or anyone else was raping kids, fuck him and anyone who supports keeping the truth hidden. I'm not suggesting that he did anything, and I sincerely hope he didn’t, but if he did, I'll clap while they cuff him. Nobody gets a pass on child molestation, full stop.
 
No child molesters get a pass. None of them. If God told me to snap my fingers and all child molesters will die immediately, I'd probably break my own hand trying to snap them so hard. If Trump or anyone else was raping kids, fuck him and anyone who supports keeping the truth hidden. I'm not suggesting that he did anything, and I sincerely hope he didn’t, but if he did, I'll clap while they cuff him. Nobody gets a pass on child molestation, full stop.
How naively narrow of you to pretend this is actually about that. You are doing exactly as I said, because you are so well informed that you cannot bother to see or read something that hasn’t already been decided for by all of your focused sources.
 
Of the two political parties- the dem party is much better at keeping their dirty laundry to themselves, staying united, and getting their agenda fulfilled- evil as that agenda is.

In contrast, those Americans who are naive, publicly and proudly demonstrate the strategy of the circular firing squad. It's pathetic and predictable, a bunch of Karens emoting to anyone who will listen, bloviating on and on about their contempt for just about everything all the time- it's narcissism with a little depression thrown in- and in one particular case who hasn't commented in this thread yet, a lot of poor use of the English language.
 
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Of the two political parties- the dem party is much better at keeping their dirty laundry to themselves, staying united, and getting their agenda fulfilled- evil as that agenda is.

In contrast, those Americans who are naive, publicly and proudly demonstrate the strategy of the circular firing squad. It's pathetic and predictable, a bunch of Karens emoting to anyone who will listen, bloviating on and on about their contempt for just about everything all the time- it's narcissism with a little depression thrown in- and in one particular case who hasn't commented in this thread yet, a lot of poor use of the English language.
Pathetic.
 
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So we have a divide here. One group thinks it's ok that someone potentially victimized children as long as their party stays in control,

......and the other has a zero tolerance policy for child predators.

For me this is a very simple decision. For those of you on the other side of this debate: I see you.
 
interesting alt take on Epstein. i,m sure Trump is clean on it. the Bondi/Patel?Bongino waffelling doesn't look good. i think there is dirty stuff hidden deliberately. i doubt 1000 children were raped. there is enough proof of perverted activity that the inconsistent changing back and forth by DOJ is a problem.
interesting that the MAGA base doesn't seem too upset about bombing Iran to the tune of 60 (?) mil $s. that after a campaign promise to not start any new wars,esp in ME. but,but,but we have to save Israel because they are people "of the Book". turning on the Ukraine aid faucet again is another retreat from campaign talk. wish he would leave NATO and UN but 0 chance of that. if he wanted to,the opposition would be enormous.
domestic stuff looking good for the most part. the DOGE cuts aren't going down. i believe that requires cooperation from congress-LOL. the deficit is not being addressed very well. the BBB looks to be making it worse. fixing that would require such radical action over next decade that it won't get fixed until the country collapses. Elon's role remains opaque.
no,nobody with a brain and a pulse thinks a wishful past vote change would not be a worse disaster. what will be will be.
 
So we have a divide here. One group thinks it's ok that someone potentially victimized children as long as their party stays in control,

......and the other has a zero tolerance policy for child predators.

For me this is a very simple decision. For those of you on the other side of this debate: I see you.
Glory be....we absolutely agree on something. 😉 🤣
 
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Padraig Martin

Why the Epstein Files Matter


Today, Trump released a long Truth post excoriating those Republicans complaining about Attorney General Pam Bondi's announcement that no Epstein files existed and no lists would be issued. Trump went further, claiming that the lists and the Epstein affair were fabrications of the previous Democrat-led deep state. Ignoring the obvious attempt to gaslight Americans regarding the Epstein crimes, there is a much larger reason to be concerned with the 180 committed by a Trump team that promised full transparency and accountability for previous crimes. The United States is dying exactly because of the many "Epsteins" around the world, and the man hired to take on this existential crisis - Trump - just walked away from the monumental task of taking them head on.


Imagine for a moment that you go to a doctor because you have an upset stomach. The doctor runs some tests and finds that you have a stomach tumor. Thankfully, he said he will treat the tumor before it kills you. As you prepare for surgery, the doctor tells you, "There is no tumor."


You know there is a problem. You have seen the images. Your stomach gets progressively worse. Your body is degenerating. You ask the doctor why he will not treat the tumor. His response is that obviously previous doctors lied to you, despite the fact that previous doctors intentionally avoided the subject altogether. Furthermore, the doctor tells you to be grateful that your stomach still digests tasty food:


"Shut up, patient. This is all in your head. Enjoy your cheeseburgers." You are dying, you know you are dying, the doctor who identified the problem told you that you were dying, and then, that same doctor just walked away.


In effect, that is what Trump just did to the 78 Million Americans who voted for him.


He told them there was a problem. Trump was right. He promised to fix the problem. Trump was right to do so. He pointed out the existing evidence. Trump was right, again. Yet, at the critical moment necessary to finally address the issue, Trump walked away from the crisis - and blamed his supporters who are rightfully disappointed.


The fact about Epstein is that he was not the only "Epstein." Yes, Epstein was grotesque, but the man himself was not the true crime or criminal. The true criminals were the myriad of powerful people in the United States who - due to their sexual perversions - found themselves blackmailed and ultimately sold out the American people to protect themselves. They betrayed us and Epstein's true client, likely Israel, was able to direct American policy in a direction that has devastated our future. They helped set a tumor within us and now we are dying. Those who betrayed our trust and killed these United States will walk away, unharmed and unaccountable.


How many young boys died in Iraq because Epstein had dirt on a Senator? How many billions of dollars were funneled away from our deeply indebted country to another country because a Congressman preferred the sexual pleasure of an underage girl? How many homeless veterans sleep on the streets while billion-dollar weapons systems go to Ukraine thanks to the homosexual proclivities of a senior official? How many working class homes have been foreclosed upon because a Federal Reserve governor was naughty and someone wanted to short the market?


The one person who could have addressed this issue and by extension, identify the traitors who betrayed the American people for sexual pleasure, just walked away from his responsibility. He just helped those who betrayed all of us. Worse, he then chastised us for being upset that he betrayed that trust.


Many of you thought Trump was the doctor we needed. Now the tumor remains and you - the dying patient - will have to endure the continued degeneration of the body that was once healthy and vibrant, until the Epsteins of the world destroyed it.


Trump failed us. There is no excuse for that kind of betrayal. Somewhere, many of those who harmed us are smiling, knowing they won - again.
 
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Padraig Martin

Why the Epstein Files Matter


Today, Trump released a long Truth post excoriating those Republicans complaining about Attorney General Pam Bondi's announcement that no Epstein files existed and no lists would be issued. Trump went further, claiming that the lists and the Epstein affair were fabrications of the previous Democrat-led deep state. Ignoring the obvious attempt to gaslight Americans regarding the Epstein crimes, there is a much larger reason to be concerned with the 180 committed by a Trump team that promised full transparency and accountability for previous crimes. The United States is dying exactly because of the many "Epsteins" around the world, and the man hired to take on this existential crisis - Trump - just walked away from the monumental task of taking them head on.


Imagine for a moment that you go to a doctor because you have an upset stomach. The doctor runs some tests and finds that you have a stomach tumor. Thankfully, he said he will treat the tumor before it kills you. As you prepare for surgery, the doctor tells you, "There is no tumor."


You know there is a problem. You have seen the images. Your stomach gets progressively worse. Your body is degenerating. You ask the doctor why he will not treat the tumor. His response is that obviously previous doctors lied to you, despite the fact that previous doctors intentionally avoided the subject altogether. Furthermore, the doctor tells you to be grateful that your stomach still digests tasty food:


"Shut up, patient. This is all in your head. Enjoy your cheeseburgers." You are dying, you know you are dying, the doctor who identified the problem told you that you were dying, and then, that same doctor just walked away.


In effect, that is what Trump just did to the 78 Million Americans who voted for him.


He told them there was a problem. Trump was right. He promised to fix the problem. Trump was right to do so. He pointed out the existing evidence. Trump was right, again. Yet, at the critical moment necessary to finally address the issue, Trump walked away from the crisis - and blamed his supporters who are rightfully disappointed.


The fact about Epstein is that he was not the only "Epstein." Yes, Epstein was grotesque, but the man himself was not the true crime or criminal. The true criminals were the myriad of powerful people in the United States who - due to their sexual perversions - found themselves blackmailed and ultimately sold out the American people to protect themselves. They betrayed us and Epstein's true client, likely Israel, was able to direct American policy in a direction that has devastated our future. They helped set a tumor within us and now we are dying. Those who betrayed our trust and killed these United States will walk away, unharmed and unaccountable.


How many young boys died in Iraq because Epstein had dirt on a Senator? How many billions of dollars were funneled away from our deeply indebted country to another country because a Congressman preferred the sexual pleasure of an underage girl? How many homeless veterans sleep on the streets while billion-dollar weapons systems go to Ukraine thanks to the homosexual proclivities of a senior official? How many working class homes have been foreclosed upon because a Federal Reserve governor was naughty and someone wanted to short the market?


The one person who could have addressed this issue and by extension, identify the traitors who betrayed the American people for sexual pleasure, just walked away from his responsibility. He just helped those who betrayed all of us. Worse, he then chastised us for being upset that he betrayed that trust.


Many of you thought Trump was the doctor we needed. Now the tumor remains and you - the dying patient - will have to endure the continued degeneration of the body that was once healthy and vibrant, until the Epsteins of the world destroyed it.


Trump failed us. There is no excuse for that kind of betrayal. Somewhere, many of those who harmed us are smiling, knowing they won - again.
He still has time to correct course, but he doesn't have long. If he doesn’t, he's done. He's lost all credibility and people within his own administration will be doing 60 minutes interviews before Christmas. Elon or Bondi or someone will show up with the list and tell all. He will face and be impeached because nobody will support him after all lf that. He just shit all over his base. He had better fix it fast before it's too late.
 
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I'm not suggesting that he did anything, and I sincerely hope he didn’t, but if he did, I'll clap while they cuff him. Nobody gets a pass on child molestation, full stop.
RE: My statement on personal righteousness, (and I'm not saying I am, only that I aknowledge that is the best way, and for some the only way). It has a pretty well known proponent, a Jewish carpenter.

Matthew 6:33

King James Version

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
 
RE: My statement on personal righteousness, (and I'm not saying I am, only that I aknowledge that is the best way, and for some the only way). It has a pretty well known proponent, a Jewish carpenter.

Matthew 6:33​

King James Version​

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matthew 7:1-3

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
 
Matthew 7:1-3

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Bible quotes aren't going to change anything. If he raped kids he can burn in hell. If he didn't he can expose those who did..

I don't know what bible verse covers hiding the disgusting crimes of other people, but I'll bet there is one.
 
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Matthew 7:1-3

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
That has nothing to do with my post. I'm not judging/condemning (and thats what the biblical usage of 'judge' meant) anyone, thats not my place. I'm just saying that the guilty WHOEVER THEY MAY BE should be called out and punished according to law. Try to stay on point.
 
So we have a divide here. One group thinks it's ok that someone potentially victimized children as long as their party stays in control,

......and the other has a zero tolerance policy for child predators.

For me this is a very simple decision. For those of you on the other side of this debate: I see you.
I would argue that there are two groups, as you said. One that thinks it's OK to victimize children, and those who don't. I don't care if the 'party' stays in control or not.
 
Funny how often those who want to exploit a situation like to try to paint people into two opposing groups. People who don't even know what files exist or consist of claiming it can only mean one of two things if they're not released.

Probably the same bunch though the Kennedy file drop was gonna say Oswald didn't do it and name conspirators. Complete with confrstion letters and the names of multiple shooters.
 
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I would argue that there are two groups, as you said. One that thinks it's OK to victimize children, and those who don't. I don't care if the 'party' stays in control or not.
I've had that clown on my ignore list for quite a while so I can't see his posts, but based on your (P-Squared) reply to him it's pretty obvious what he posted- he's essentially making an ad hominem attack because he's incapable of an intellectual argument. I won't dignify his trash comments with a reply.
 
Gee, I wonder what those fuckers are really doing while they have everyone distracted with bullshit. Damn shame what happened to those kids, but the idea of anything happening to any of these pedos is beyond laughable.
Long before Trump won re-election, any evidence against those sick pedos was destroyed by the biden regime. Sure it sucks that Trump decided not to release the Epstein files, but it is what it is.