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[Deleted member 113831]

I wasn't really surprised when Len banned me, other then amount of help and productive posts I brought to the forum. I was honestly more surprised when Jeff banned me from LRO for making fun of yet ANOTHER "new" Hornady cartridge (6 ARC). I guess they had recently become a sponsor for LRO (unbeknownst to me), so corporate greed exceeded free speech. I never got a reason from Len, but I'm guessing probably the same story.

Oh, and this was my last count on LRH... But it took me 12 years to achieve this many posts...Got banned in 2020.

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LRO is a fucking Fudd snooze fest as well, Fuhrman is another cunt. I like Jeff though.

I don't even visit those sites anymore. 24hour is an interesting shit show sometimes. Not a member, just lurk over there. It is the Fudd equivalent of the Hide.

 

[rady]

I'm a bit didactic that way (I blame my mother) but honestly I think your grammar and spelling are fine. Thought you'd like to know

Thanks. I occasionally like to read posts where there is some thought process going on, other than the best way to weave four letter words into an attack on others. I will engage the cussin' at times, but for some, that's all there is in their vocabulary.... Just gets boring.

 

[mheimer_45]

You know if you fucks would stop buying at these prices they would bring there prices back down again right. Wait it out. Most of us old members can without worry. Shit will be back to normal like always.

 

[rady]

You know if you fucks would stop buying at these prices they would bring there prices back down again right. Wait it out. Most of us old members can without worry. Shit will be back to normal like always.

Valid point. I would also add that I wish companies would not allow the use of bots. These things have caused a good part of the inflation that we see for ammo and components.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

If anyone needs a case of $1200 precision hunter in 6.5 cm.. let me know hahahah

 

[AccuSol-ERN]

I totally get the free market thing......but I feel these arguments always ASSUME the reloading components are used for hobby purposes......which most are. However, apply that same thinking to any other necessity........say.......gasoline/diesel. How many of you live in the burbs or rural and drive to work? What if all the gas stations within X miles of your house get together and raise gasoline/diesel by 10x.......or more.......and limit you to X gallons.

Think of the new gun owner who we preach......train, train, and train some more. They are buying new guns (great thing) and literally one box of ammo (just in case). I even know of a few single mothers (no budget) who had to share the cost of a box of good defense ammo just to have a mag full.

Just because you CAN fuck the consumer........doesn't mean you SHOULD fuck the consumer.

Free market is a great thing.....as history has proven......so long as the fucking stays in check.

Ern

 

[Sniperwannabee]

I totally get the free market thing......but I feel these arguments always ASSUME the reloading components are used for hobby purposes......which most are. However, apply that same thinking to any other necessity........say.......gasoline/diesel. How many of you live in the burbs or rural and drive to work? What if all the gas stations within X miles of your house get together and raise gasoline/diesel by 10x.......or more.......and limit you to X gallons.

Think of the new gun owner who we preach......train, train, and train some more. They are buying new guns (great thing) and literally one box of ammo (just in case). I even know of a few single mothers (no budget) who had to share the cost of a box of good defense ammo just to have a mag full.

Just because you CAN fuck the consumer........doesn't mean you SHOULD fuck the consumer.

Free market is a great thing.....as history has proven......so long as the fucking stays in check.

Nice bible verse. Maybe they should sell all the stuff they are in debt paying for to free up some cash.

 

[AccuSol-ERN]

You give me too much credit.........my garbage doesn't belong in the good book.

In truth, I don't know their complete finances nor is it any of my business.......but I don't see them sporting a new SUV, top shelf clothes, or the latest electronic gizmo. Did they make some poor life choices that resulted in a tight budget?........most likely........doesn't change their current situation though. I applaud them for being open-minded enough about their (and their dependents) safety to consider the usefulness of a firearm. Of course, a gun is not the end all be all.........but that is another conversation.

I assume you have done well for yourself......congratulations......I hope it stays that way (no bullshit). I have been blessed with a decent living as well.......more dumb luck rather than perfect planning on my part.

Perhaps I will send them a box of ammo and a Dave Ramsey book.

Ern

 

[Jefe's Dope]

What if all the gas stations within X miles of your house get together and raise gasoline/diesel by 10x.......or more.......and limit you to X gallons.

That's called price fixing and it is illegal. That's not what is happening here. Not even close. There's a limited supply of ammo to purchase. That is the reason people are willing to spend much more than they did when there was a normal or excessive supply. So the demand exceeds the supply hence the higher prices. It's called supply vs. demand. Nobody is price fixing. There's no cabal that gets together on Thursdays to set prices for the next week.

 

[AccuSol-ERN]

So........sticking with the gasoline/diesel example....

If there is a shortage of gasoline/diesel and it drives prices up substantially it is OK because of supply/demand?

If there is price fixing by suppliers/competitors teaming up to raise prices.....it is not OK and in fact illegal.

Does the consumer not see the same result?

Don't get me wrong.......I don't want grubby govie hands dictating this or that when it comes to commerce.

I just hate seeing the current answers being:

Option 1. Join a BOT service and help break the internet when stuff becomes in-stock for milliseconds.

Option 2. Pay astronomical prices.......to those who went with Option 1 and don't give a ratfuck about shooting sports. They would be BOT buying dildos if they could sell them for 10x the price on DildoBroker.com

 

[spife7980]

Option 3. Sit and wait a bit for it to go back to usual

 

[Jefe's Dope]

One is an actual supply vs. demand and the other is a manipulated price by cooperation.

You can't see the difference? Do you understand the concept of supply vs. demand?

The only other option to keep prices low when supplies are low and demand high is to have and outside source, think .gov, come in and set the price and limit how much. That's not free trade and many call it communism. It doesn't work and why China allows a form of a free market where demand and supply control the prices.

 

[AccuSol-ERN]

I understand supply and demand.......I mean the end result for the consumer is the same.

Yepper .gov control is bad........that's why I mentioned it in my previous post.

I am not trying to solve a rubik's cube here. I am just bitching about resellers using tech advantages.......mainly because I am tech retarded.

Option 3 it is.

 

[FuhQ]

You know if you fucks would stop buying at these prices they would bring there prices back down again right. Wait it out. Most of us old members can without worry. Shit will be back to normal like always.

Been saying that since the run in 2013 when Ohomo tried... People just never listen. Build when times are plentiful, then there won't be huge runs like there is now. But people are stupid, and they'll never learn.

 

[FuhQ]

If anyone needs .257 Wby ammo, let me know. I have about 10 boxes of factory-loaded Weatherby Premium 110 NAB .257 Wby ammo... I don't have the gun anymore, so the ammo does me no good. PM for price...

It's no longer called "Weatherby Premium". They rebranded it as "Weatherby Select Plus" ammo.

 

[rady]

I have yet to see any of your pro-gougers answer my question as to where gouging starts and where it stops in relation to free markets and capitalism. You bitch and whine about s+d, free markets, capitalism, and criticize others, yet you don't see the countless examples of where gouging has existed in the past and the present.

One example..........the chinese virus and the mad dash for masks, hand sanitizers, tp, ect. People were arrested for hoarding and selling at exorbitant prices. You're dumb enough to pay those kind of prices then go to it. It all turned out to be folly as the masks and other preventative measures didn't work. That dumb fuck Fauci was using it as a political ploy against Trump, who fell for it.

Eventually, the gouging that is going on in the firearms world will draw attention from the wrong people so look for more regulation. Have you see the legislation that is being proposed by lee? Not to mention that January is the hottest month yet for background checks. Let the gouging continue, and it plays right into the hands of the bureaucrats.

 

[orkan]

Does this work both ways rady? When you are selling something... do I get to set the price you're going to sell it to me for?

If so, I'd like an accounting of all your belongings please. If it is determined you have "too much," then we'll offer you a fair price for the excess which has been determined you do not need.

I bet that doesn't sit well with you, does it? So then why are your demands to be different when it suits you, and not when it doesn't?

Let me explain this simply. Whoever has something, gets to decide IF they want to sell it, AND the price it is to be sold for. The person purchasing gets to decide whether or not they want to buy it at that price. The person purchasing does NOT get to dictate the price, or choose if it is to be sold.

If you do not understand this, then you do not understand freedom and individual responsibility. There is no discussing the matter... as your disagreement will make that a matter of fact. This is not "pro-gouging." This is pro-individual liberty. Those that have not, do not get to dictate to those that have. If it is any other way, then we become socialists. If gas stations get together and all set prices, well thats illegal, but even if it wasn't... everyone could simply not drive. Then they would not get to work. Then products would not be produced. Then the entire system grinds to a halt. Then no one will have any need or any money to buy gas... and the gas stations that participated in that, will go broke and disappear. The end result of taking advantage of your customers is that you will have no customers. ALL of the problems outlined in this thread would disappear from people's lives if only they would take responsibility for their actions. Refuse to buy at inflated prices, and the prices will keep coming down until such a time as people are comfortable with the price. However, what we are witnessing is that people are comfortable with a way higher price than "normal" during times of uncertainty. The people that are uncomfortable paying that price need to take responsibility for their decisions. Choosing not to buy, helps keep the price low. Choosing to buy, raises demand, and raises prices. People can make more money... but they can't make primers. That's the reality of the situation. Personally, I won't buy any until this passes. If I run out, I'll buy an air rifle.

"Gouging" never starts, if you believe in freedom and individual liberty. Period. It doesn't exist at all. If you believe what someone owns is THEIRS... then there is no such thing as gouging. It's a word used to justify the erosion of freedom. You are NOT entitled to what they have... even if it means your death and the death of everyone you know. If you don't believe that, then you don't believe in freedom. That is not negotiable. If I had something, and it meant others would die unless I gave to them... I'd like to think I'd choose to help them. Though those two things are completely unrelated. My freedom to choose, that's what is important.

I do not feel entitled to what someone else has. It doesn't matter how they got it or what they paid for it. It's theirs. If they have something I need, I can approach them with respect, and try to negotiate. If their price is higher than I want it to be, I thank them for the opportunity and move along. What I do NOT do at any point is get angry with them. I am NOT entitled to what they have. They are NOT honor bound to sell it to me at a price of my choosing. There is NO moral code which suggests otherwise. If I'm in dire need, and I explain this to them, they certainly can show mercy and choose to help... but that is NOT my call.

If I cannot source the things I need at a price I agree to, then I go without. No one is obligated to provide ANYTHING for me. That includes the necessities of life. It is up to me to provide those things for myself and everyone under my charge. It is NOT the responsibility of anyone else to cooperate with me in those efforts. It is MY responsibility to cooperate with them, if I want what they have.

The fact that this needs to be explained to anyone in 2021, gives me a very dark and unpleasant view of the future. People are toying with dark forces. You'll end up right at the bottom of the deepest darkest pit imaginable if you keep down that road. We will all suffer greatly for it. What motivation is there to produce ANYTHING... if anyone can come take it at a value of THEIR choosing, whenever they want? All of those roads lead to darkness, despair, pain, and suffering. These threads persist, because people lack the ability to think past step #1.

 

[Powder_Burns]

But are they free hazmat + shipping?

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

And sold out.

How many of you would let go of a 1k box or two of primers for $500?

Just saying.

 

[AccuSol-ERN]

The above is well said and to the point.

I don't think anyone is pushing for redistribution.......at least I am not.

However I do get cranky knowing some twat who doesn't even shoot (my assumption) is sitting on kegs of powder and BOTing for more to keep their GB ads going........while I know builders and competitors who are not able to get it.

You are 100% correct.......if the builder/competitor needs it bad enough....they will pay the price or play the game.

You are also 100% correct........if someone wants to stockpile kegs of powder (or whatever) and set it on fire in their backyard......that's their right.

Option 3 for me. I'll wait it out and shift my attention elsewhere.

 

[BuLLet]

I'm not selling my stock of primers, but... that's a hard offer to not accept.

Being well stocked of course!

And sold out.

How many of you would let go of a 1k box or two of primers for $500?

 

[AccuSol-ERN]

I won't sell primers (or anything else) for ass-rape prices. I feel the little gain for me is more detrimental to the industry.......

Is the shooting industry really better off making it more of a rich man's game? I mean ammo and reloading component availability is one thing EVERYONE needs......from Joe Budget deerhunter to big dick competitor (sponsorship aside).

My hope is that budget shooters just take a pause during these times and don't say FUCK IT all together.

One way to keep our gun rights is through involvement and teaching/training new shooters.

Just my $.02

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

I won't sell primers (or anything else) for ass-rape prices. I feel the little gain for me is more detrimental to the industry.......

Is the shooting industry really better off making it more of a rich man's game? I mean ammo and reloading component availability is one thing EVERYONE needs......from Joe Budget deerhunter to big dick competitor (sponsorship aside).

My hope is that budget shooters just take a pause during these times and don't say FUCK IT all together.

$4000 auto throw and scale
$2000 brass trimmer
$1000 annealing
$1000 press
$1000s in accessories
$5000 rifles
$3000 scopes
$500 bipods
$1000+s tripods

Its already a rich mans sport.

If Elon Musk offered you $10,000 for a box of primers, would you do it?

 

[Supersubes]

A screen grab from the OP’s link. Looks like the have nots shit on the retailer enough that the page has been taken down. Im sure they sold out that afternoon anyway.

 

[rady]

Does this work both ways rady? When you are selling something... do I get to set the price you're going to sell it to me for?

If so, I'd like an accounting of all your belongings please. If it is determined you have "too much," then we'll offer you a fair price for the excess which has been determined you do not need.

I bet that doesn't sit well with you, does it? So then why are your demands to be different when it suits you, and not when it doesn't?

Let me explain this simply. Whoever has something, gets to decide IF they want to sell it, AND the price it is to be sold for. The person purchasing gets to decide whether or not they want to buy it at that price. The person purchasing does NOT get to dictate the price, or choose if it is to be sold.

If you do not understand this, then you do not understand freedom and individual responsibility. There is no discussing the matter... as your disagreement will make that a matter of fact. This is not "pro-gouging." This is pro-individual liberty. Those that have not, do not get to dictate to those that have. If it is any other way, then we become socialists. If gas stations get together and all set prices, well thats illegal, but even if it wasn't... everyone could simply not drive. Then they would not get to work. Then products would not be produced. Then the entire system grinds to a halt. Then no one will have any need or any money to buy gas... and the gas stations that participated in that, will go broke and disappear. The end result of taking advantage of your customers is that you will have no customers. ALL of the problems outlined in this thread would disappear from people's lives if only they would take responsibility for their actions. Refuse to buy at inflated prices, and the prices will keep coming down until such a time as people are comfortable with the price. However, what we are witnessing is that people are comfortable with a way higher price than "normal" during times of uncertainty. The people that are uncomfortable paying that price need to take responsibility for their decisions. Choosing not to buy, helps keep the price low. Choosing to buy, raises demand, and raises prices. People can make more money... but they can't make primers. That's the reality of the situation. Personally, I won't buy any until this passes. If I run out, I'll buy an air rifle.

"Gouging" never starts, if you believe in freedom and individual liberty. Period. It doesn't exist at all. If you believe what someone owns is THEIRS... then there is no such thing as gouging. It's a word used to justify the erosion of freedom. You are NOT entitled to what they have... even if it means your death and the death of everyone you know. If you don't believe that, then you don't believe in freedom. That is not negotiable. If I had something, and it meant others would die unless I gave to them... I'd like to think I'd choose to help them. Though those two things are completely unrelated. My freedom to choose, that's what is important.

I do not feel entitled to what someone else has. It doesn't matter how they got it or what they paid for it. It's theirs. If they have something I need, I can approach them with respect, and try to negotiate. If their price is higher than I want it to be, I thank them for the opportunity and move along. What I do NOT do at any point is get angry with them. I am NOT entitled to what they have. They are NOT honor bound to sell it to me at a price of my choosing. There is NO moral code which suggests otherwise. If I'm in dire need, and I explain this to them, they certainly can show mercy and choose to help... but that is NOT my call.

If I cannot source the things I need at a price I agree to, then I go without. No one is obligated to provide ANYTHING for me. That includes the necessities of life. It is up to me to provide those things for myself and everyone under my charge. It is NOT the responsibility of anyone else to cooperate with me in those efforts. It is MY responsibility to cooperate with them, if I want what they have.

The fact that this needs to be explained to anyone in 2021, gives me a very dark and unpleasant view of the future. People are toying with dark forces. You'll end up right at the bottom of the deepest darkest pit imaginable if you keep down that road. We will all suffer greatly for it. What motivation is there to produce ANYTHING... if anyone can come take it at a value of THEIR choosing, whenever they want? All of those roads lead to darkness, despair, pain, and suffering. These threads persist, because people lack the ability to think past step #1.

Yet you never answer the question and seem to use this forum as a way of shilling your products ( big banner, ph#). OK with me as I find it rather entertaining and if it helps you sell more of your over-priced products, then I think that's great. But you and your ilk sit there implying anyone who views it as gouging stupid because they don't agree with you. Your specious arguments cloaked in pollyannish generalities are flaccid at best.

You can't and never will be able to state where gouging begins and ends and its relationship to capitalism. Yet you act as the omnipotent vendor of universal wisdom for all and some how try and cloak it in patriotism and the American flag. At least I'm willing to admit to the nebulousness of this whole argument and that it boils down to individual common sense IMHO.

You've thrown everything into this exercise but the kitchen sink. Implying that those who don't agree with you are special ed types does not phase me in the least, and if it strokes your ego and business model, so be it. I'll still use morals and ethics as a life guide, as opposed to gouger business models.

 

[rady]

A screen grab from the OP’s link. Looks like the have nots shit on the retailer enough that the page has been taken down. Im sure they sold out that afternoon anyway. View attachment 7549112

I hope that you never become one of the have not's in life and at the mercy of a gouger. In the meanwhile, I think this a great example of the free market and capitalism at work.............Just Say NO!

 

[AccuSol-ERN]

Ha.

I've been building PR rifles for 15yrs now and I don't have any of that stuff......maybe a $1k press (not for PR ammo though).

Sure I am not a PRS winner......I like building them more than shooting them.......especially for shooters that drive them to the winner's circle.

Regarding Elon Musk.......if he needed them that bad.......I would give them to him.......or point him to a cheaper price. I have a number of great relationships......simply by helping someone in a time of need.....not exploiting it.

Again, just because you CAN fuck someone over.......doesn't mean you SHOULD fuck someone over.

It has been great talking to everyone in here, thanks for letting me vent and I sincerely appreciate the back and forth.

I'm out.

Ern

 

[aslrookie]

It’s not the manufacturers fault or the retailers. Blame the media and other influential people driving the fear to hurry up and buy everything because it’s never coming back.

If COVID-19 was never blown out of proportion, if local governments actually let LE stop businesses from burning and tie up resources increasing response times...millions of new gun owners wouldn’t be buying ammo.

The market was not ready for historic gun purchases and ammunition demand skyrocketing. Sure, a bunch of new gun owners sounds great for helping fend off anti 2a legislation, but to think it wouldn’t negatively affect the rest of the supply chain is grossly foolish.

As people scramble to buy stuff and pay inflated prices, the issue worsens. Free markets fix themselves. “Omg what if next month all the ammo is gone forever”...if that’s the case, what are you going to do about it? Sit on what you bought? Wait for the next apocalypse to use it? If you have 2k rounds of ammo for a caliber...do you really think you’ll survive enough gun fights to expel 2k rounds of ammo?

Most of you wouldn’t last a magazine. Stop the panic buying and let the market settle. Buy a box or two instead of maximum limits or maxing out CCs because the world is ending. Everyone thinks a stash of ammo and guns gives them the security blanket they need. Read any article from people who lived through civil wars and that’s not how they survived.

 

[Supersubes]

I hope that you never become one of the have not's in life and at the mercy of a gouger. In the meanwhile, I think this a great example of the free market and capitalism at work.............Just Say NO!

I buy my primers at normal market prices like everyone else. The “gouges” are just an entertaining spectacle. These cycles repeat themselves every couple of years. Getting caught out by those cycles is just bad planning.

 

[Threadcutter308]

You can sure tell who has not been through this before, those that have, and those that have and have learned from it.......

 

[308pirate]

I am just bitching about resellers using tech advantages.......mainly because I am tech retarded.

Now we get to the crux of the matter

 

[308pirate]

I have yet to see any of your pro-gougers answer my question as to where gouging starts and where it stops in relation to free markets and capitalism.

I'll answer. Gouging is an artificial construct invented by politicians at the behest of people who are too poor and/or too stupid (almost always the same thing) to have a sound financial basis to their life. People who often live paycheck to paycheck not because of some gigantic misfortune but because of their life choices and spending habits.

Gouging, in the context of a free market, does not exist. It doesn't matter what the product is, even if some idiot considers that product to be "essential".

 

[rady]

I buy my primers at normal market prices like everyone else. The “gouges” are just an entertaining spectacle. These cycles repeat themselves every couple of years. Getting caught out by those cycles is just bad planning.

I have to agree with you. This is a rather entertaining endeavor and topic that really has a nebulosity that bridges into the realm of morality and ethics. If one has no problem with gouging and selling at inflated profit, he probably has neither morals or ethics other than that which exists in their own perverted minds.

I also have no great sympathy for those that did not see this coming decades ago, and I'm not just talking ammo and components. The whistle dicks that were more concerned about the latest sports scores, than what was going on in politics and finance. Locally, it got so bad for meat supplies in this area last Spring and Summer, that people were scrambling to the meat lockers/slaughter houses. They would get pissed at the vendor for selling to his existing customer base. Walmart shelves were bare.

 

[308pirate]

This is a rather entertaining endeavor and topic that really has a nebulosity that bridges into the realm of morality and ethics. If one has no problem with gouging and selling at inflated profit, he probably has neither morals or ethics other than that which exists in their own perverted minds.

So, who made you the arbiter of what is ethical or moral?

You mentioned "inflated" profits. Who made you the authority on profit margin? How much profit do you think one should be allowed?

Do you ever think anything you say through?

 

[rady]

I'll answer. Gouging is an artificial construct invented by politicians at the behest of people who are too poor and/or too stupid (almost always the same thing) to have a sound financial basis to their life. People who often live paycheck to paycheck not because of some gigantic misfortune but because of their life choices and spending habits.

Gouging, in the context of a free market, does not exist. It doesn't matter what the product is, even if some idiot considers that product to be "essential".

Give that man a cigar. Exactly!!! In my own and apparently awkward arguments, this is exactly what I'm getting at. Critical thinking, moral, ethics, and common sense has been driven out of many folks today, and largely due to the educational system in this country.

What you speak of is the entitlement mindset of people today and the poor choices that many have made. In my own family drugs, alcohol have taken their toll, and when they destroy their lives, you and I end up paying for it.

 

[308pirate]

In my own family drugs, alcohol have taken their toll, and when they destroy their lives, you and I end up paying for it.

How do we end up paying for it? Maybe we shouldn't. Personally, and in this I strongly veer off my church's doctrine, I would let those who destroy their lives willfully by abusing drugs and/or alcohol to suffer their fate.

Narcan should be banned and those who OD on opioids should be left to die.

The social safety net has done more to destroy society than anything ever before did.

 

[DannC]

We are our own worst enemy as illustrated a thousand times in this two page thread.
My own small gun club 3gun matches have now become two gun. Members are not able to participate because of the inability to find 9mm even the reloaders cannot find primers, Wally World until recently had ample supply of 12ga., now the shelves are empty. Our president runs a small commercial ammo remanufacturing business who has been able to supply the .223/5.56 ammo but has warned that he too will will be shutting down because of lack of primers.
Ask LL how his instructional courses have fallen off from people that cannot find a thousand rounds to participate. We have all seen the post for months asking for ammo to allow them to participate. in training.
We are killing ourselves and destroying the hobby/gun culture. The more you feed the beast the more it wants. Those that can or will pay the inflated prices are only encouraging more increases and prolonging the return to sanity. Closing of ranges indoor and outdoor are coming soon. If we cannot shoot what is the point of buying more guns and accessories? The gun industry is dying and the Dems could not be happier as we did it to ourselves.

 

[orkan]

Give that man a cigar. Exactly!!! In my own and apparently awkward arguments, this is exactly what I'm getting at. Critical thinking, moral, ethics, and common sense has been driven out of many folks today, and largely due to the educational system in this country.

What you speak of is the entitlement mindset of people today and the poor choices that many have made. In my own family drugs, alcohol have taken their toll, and when they destroy their lives, you and I end up paying for it.

At this point... you're a paid troll. I'm certain of it.

You are talking out both sides of your face. You literally scream about gouging, and then claim to agree with @308pirate when he said that gouging was made up... exactly as I did. You don't get to argue for and against things in that way. Your posts are psychopathic in nature if they are real, and full scale trolling if they are not. I won't spend another singular second engaging with you.

 

[aslrookie]

We are our own worst enemy as illustrated a thousand times in this two page thread.
My own small gun club 3gun matches have now become two gun. Members are not able to participate because of the inability to find 9mm even the reloaders cannot find primers, Wally World until recently had ample supply of 12ga., now the shelves are empty. Our president runs a small commercial ammo remanufacturing business who has been able to supply the .223/5.56 ammo but has warned that he too will will be shutting down because of lack of primers.
Ask LL how his instructional courses have fallen off from people that cannot find a thousand rounds to participate. We have all seen the post for months asking for ammo to allow them to participate. in training.
We are killing ourselves and destroying the hobby/gun culture. The more you feed the beast the more it wants. Those that can or will pay the inflated prices are only encouraging more increases and prolonging the return to sanity. Closing of ranges indoor and outdoor are coming soon. If we cannot shoot what is the point of buying more guns and accessories? The gun industry is dying and the Dems could not be happier as we did it to ourselves.

Exactly, you don't have to legislate away something you can just instill fear with and make the market so competitive that only a small portion of population can participate. Do I think HR127 could pass? Of course it COULD...but grossly aggressive legislation like this has never gone unchallenged. They draft the bill, a bunch of stuff gets tossed for being too aggressive and then a compromise is made. Little-by-little our rights deplete. Meanwhile, we are competing over what we fear of losing like everyday is a Black Friday sale at Wally World.

We should be focusing our efforts on changing the narrative so we don't have to partake in this type of market.

 

[rady]

So, who made you the arbiter of what is ethical or moral?

You mentioned "inflated" profits. Who made you the authority on profit margin? How much profit do you think one should be allowed?

Do you ever think anything you say through?

Yes, I do think things thru otherwise I wouldn't have agreed with your earlier statement. I would have just done something arbitrary like call you a retard, or a four letter word that does nothing to enhance this discussion.

To answer your other question, never said I was the authority, as I could just as easily flip the question back to you. The answer to your question is simple in a truly capitalistic society.........How much profit is dictated by the consumer, but that doesn't mean that the consumer always makes the wisest choices. Far be it for me to try and dictate purchases. It will always be guided by my sense of ethics, morality, and common sense, as I have stated Ad nauseam.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Yes, I do think things thru otherwise I wouldn't have agreed with your earlier statement. I would just done something arbitrary like call you a retard, or a four letter word that does nothing to enhance this discussion.

To answer your other question, never said I was the authority, as I could just as easily flip the question back to you. The answer to you question is simple in a truly capitalistic society.........How much profit is dictated by the consumer, but that doesn't mean that the consumer always makes the wisest choices. Far be it for me to try and dictate purchases. It will always be guided by my sense of ethics, morality, and common sense, as I have stated Ad nauseam.

 

[rady]

At this point... you're a paid troll. I'm certain of it.

You are talking out both sides of your face. You literally scream about gouging, and then claim to agree with @308pirate when he said that gouging was made up... exactly as I did. You don't get to argue for and against things in that way. Your posts are psychopathic in nature if they are real, and full scale trolling if they are not. I won't spend another singular second engaging with you.

Usually the response (name calling) from one who is losing the arguement and has nothing better to add to the conversation. This has been great advertising for you and maybe you'll profit from it. Didn't know that you were a psychiatrist/psychologist btw. No need to thank me............Have a nice day Doc.

 

[rady]

How do we end up paying for it? Maybe we shouldn't. Personally, and in this I strongly veer off my church's doctrine, I would let those who destroy their lives willfully by abusing drugs and/or alcohol to suffer their fate.

Narcan should be banned and those who OD on opioids should be left to die.

The social safety net has done more to destroy society than anything ever before did.

You just answered your first question. Social safety nets that drain resources in the form of higher taxes to pay for clinics, rehab centers, and over reaching laws that ensnare all of us. This just to mention a few. If you look at the schools, there is a plethora of problems that spring from parents? that have lead self destructive lives.

In the end unfortunately, we all pay for this crappy mess created by irresponsible people,

 

[Supersubes]

I have to agree with you. This is a rather entertaining endeavor and topic that really has a nebulosity that bridges into the realm of morality and ethics. If one has no problem with gouging and selling at inflated profit, he probably has neither morals or ethics other than that which exists in their own perverted minds.

I also have no great sympathy for those that did not see this coming decades ago, and I'm not just talking ammo and components. The whistle dicks that were more concerned about the latest sports scores, than what was going on in politics and finance. Locally, it got so bad for meat supplies in this area last Spring and Summer, that people were scrambling to the meat lockers/slaughter houses. They would get pissed at the vendor for selling to his existing customer base. Walmart shelves were bare.

In the context of the original post of this thread, morals and ethics play no part imo. No primers to be had in the marketplace, and what extraordinarily limited quantity of primers pop up from time to time are now more valuable. The retailer isn't required to maintain a price you like, for the exact same reason you're not required to buy them. This is all summed up perfectly in “supply and demand” and “free market” but somehow those terms just wont do these days.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Holy fuck! The stupid exploded in this thread. Just because you have a thesaurus does not mean you speak eloquently or with any authority. Go back in your hole.

 

[MALLARD]

the amount of people defending this stupid shit is shocking, the hide has changed.

 

[JakeM]

LRO is a fucking Fudd snooze fest as well, Fuhrman is another cunt. I like Jeff though.

I don't even visit those sites anymore. 24hour is an interesting shit show sometimes. Not a member, just lurk over there. It is the Fudd equivalent of the Hide.

I can’t believe you would say such a thing!

 

[Robert S]

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[Robert S]

Too much. This thread needs to be deleted.

 

[mkollman74]

I see the guy's point though when I look at outfits like Midway. They haven't gouged on the primers as evidenced by the recent prices that were charged. You always have the choice to pass with the gougers of course, and I do, but I also make note of who is doing the gouging and won't do business with them. Now or in the future................Also a part of Capitalism.

My guess is that those who are ok with the gouging, are themselves, engaging in the practice.

My guess is there are plenty of folks who know that gouging does not exist. You are, of course, free to choose not to purchase from anyone whose prices you don't find appealing. They, in turn, are free to charge any price they like. Isn't freedom great...