Rifle Scopes Opinion on H58 reticle, good and bad?

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Hello

What do you think of the H58? Recently looked through a Mark 8 that had a H58 reticle; great glass and I liked the reticle at first glance but not sure if the H58 is not a bit too thick at maximum magnification. If the H58 users could give their input, that would be greatly appreciated.

 

[8up]

I have three scopes with H 58 reticle, along with Tremor 2 and a 3. I do not have a H59, but have used one. I personally like all four, but each has its own application depending on optic it is in. H58 is one of my favorites, and although it is the older design of them all listed above, is perfect in a optic that is below 20x. The thick lines are not as bad in lower power, while still being able to use the optic with a large field of view. It has less windage mils than the H59, which to me keeps it little less cluttered. I can actually focus on the reticle better since they are thick. Plus, crosshair is solid, which allows me a good zero. I have them in mk6's, and for me is perfect in this scope.

Now, the other reticle designs are good also. I find them better in a higher magnification optic above 20x. The open center crosshair will allow me to get a good zero while in higher magnification because I can focus on it, not so much for me in a lower power. Tremor 2 is perfect for a DM set up and rapid engagements at various distances. Tremor 3 is good design, but best in a high magnification optic, due to its design of thinner lines of the reticle. A bit tough to see on lower power.

Again, this is all based on my opinion alone. Each reticle has it's pro's and con's. It all depends how you want to employ them in distance shooting. I like the H58, does the job for me, and gets it done.

 

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Thanks for good and clear info; I mounted that Mark 8/H58 on a TRG22 308, bore sighted it and will zero it at the range tomorrow. What I really want to see is how much of a 22"x15" target is obstructed by the H58 reticle at full magnification (x25) at 1000 meters.

 

[dinmax82]

Mk8 H58 was my first nice tactical scope. Too thick and mushy turrets. Tracked well and glass is comparable to anything on the market.

For xmas style I prefer the Razor's reticle so you can still shoot groups at short distances.

 

[steve123]

The 58 just lacks a floating dot for better zeroing and grouping. It's main stadia is too thick, but at 1000 you will be holding around 9 mrad so that won't matter. You'll probably have to zoom out a touch too to see 9mils in a good part of your glass. I much prefer a 59, or any of the Trmrs

Yep ^^^^^

 

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My findings, so far; for the ones interested...Zeroed Mark 8/H58/TRG22 at 100 meters; not so easy to shoot a real "one holer" as the reticle is covering the initial first shot hole, so not the best reticle for "surgical" shots close up. You can still shoot a "respectable" group but many thinner reticles will be a far better choice for stacking your bullets on top of each others at 100 meters/yards. On the other hand, if your shooting style is to have an "impact", "put the target down" or if you are fine going for the eye rather than just the pupil, then H58 does the job.
At 200 meters, .5 mil elevation, shooting at 3" Birchwood Casey Shoot-N-C Target; tried different magnifications before shooting but felt most comfortable with max magnification (x25). Sent two 3 shots groups, sorry not 5 or 10, was limited in ammo and the 2 groups were each just over an inch wide. Because of the thickness of the reticle, didn't know what to expect. The fact that the thickness of the reticle did not really affect the accuracy was a nice surprise but it for sure felt different.
Talking about reticle thickness; at 200 meters, it looked like the H58 at x25 covered about an inch wide, so it would cover about 5" at 1000 meters. Will do this next week and will post how it went...for the ones interested.
A word on the Mark 8 itself, IMHO, yes the clicks on the elevation turret felt a bit mushy, especially the first 5 clicks but it wasn't that bad (I am not a difficult customer); the windage turret was better but there is definitely room for improvement. The pinch turrets, well...there are pros and cons.
Funny that dinmax82 mentioned the Vortex Razor, as the day before, I was at the same range, zeroing a new Vortex Razor Gen 2, EBR-2C reticle, on a TRG 42 338 LM; also shot it at 100 and 200 meters. The clicks are much more positive on the Razor and the EBR-2C is, in my opinion, a great reticle. As far as glass clarity, the Razor is great but I felt the Leupold had a slightly superior glass quality, compared to the Vortex, as the bullet holes at 200 meters looked more crisp and clear through the Mark 8.
reubenski, I have never used or looked through a scope equipped with the H59, or any of the Tremor reticles but for sure would like to. So far the H58 is not bad, I would say good in a more "tactical" aspect, as it would be unlikely to "lose" the crosshair because the target is passing in front of a dark area; that's where that thick reticle could be preferable to a much thinner one.

Thanks for everyone's input.

 

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So for the ones of you familiar with both reticles, would it be worth it switching the H58 for the H59?
Leupold custom shop can do the switch for around $600.