Rifle Scopes Optic for Bergara B14 HMR 6.5 CM

[Bullets&Bourbon]

I recently bought a Bergara Hunt Match Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor. Want to be able to hunt white tail In Kentucky as well as take it to my local range which has targets out to 300yds and start to learn precision shooting. Shooting exclusively in daylight conditions.

This is my first rifle and I have interest in future long range shooting. I’m sure I’m opening Pandora’s box by asking but I’m looking for suggestions on a scope to start out that I won’t out grow too soon. I want to use MOA instead of Mils. I’m still learning but looking for thoughts on FFP/SFP and all the other details I’m not even considering. Budget around $500

 

[Sharpened Graphite]

Budget?

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/tips-for-asking-advice-about-rifle-scopes.6252657/

 

[Bullets&Bourbon]

Budget?

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/tips-for-asking-advice-about-rifle-scopes.6252657/

Literally just finished reading that article and was coming back to update my post when I saw your comment. I would like to stay around or under $500 if that is even reasonable.

 

[flyer]

You say you want MOA, why?

There are a number of reasons why a long range shooter might want a FFP Mil-Mil scope. It will be hard to recommend a MOA scope unless we know why you want it.

 

[Bullets&Bourbon]

You say you want MOA, why?

There are a number of reasons why a long range shooter might want a FFP Mil-Mil scope. It will be hard to recommend a MOA scope unless we know why you want it.

Forgive my ignorance as this is new and foreign territory to me. My understanding was that MOA would be conducive to the imperial system and length in yards and the Mil would be metric and in meters. I thought it would be easier to work in MOA as I would be more comfortable estimating ranges in yards. And at this time I will not be shooting anything over 300 yards so nothing long range at this time.

 

[Sharpened Graphite]

$500 is a little bit of a no-man's land. Starting at $600-ish you open up a lot of possibilities.

Sightron S-Tac 4-20 MOA-2 is around $380. You could also save a bit more and go cheaper for an Athlon Argos BTR FFP.

Just realize that you will take a little bit of a hit on resale further down the line for MOA (at least on this forum). Start cheap and dip your toes in the pool. No need to rush in. You'll find out what you like along the way, but you can't lose with Sightron really.

 

[gr8fuldoug]

If MIL would work you should look at the new Athlon Midas TAC 4-16x44 - APRS2 FFP MIL which would be a great option

 

[flyer]

MOA and Miliradians are both angular measurements. MOA is degree based, Mils are radian based, it's not an inch vs metric issue.

MOA does get close to 1 MOA equaling 1" at 100 yards but it's not exactly and it sometimes creates problems when scope manufacturers "correct" their scopes to match the 1" at 100 yards.

One of the biggest issues in long range shooting is determining range to target and the traditional ranging reticle is the Mil-Dot. You can range with a MOA reticle if it has some type of MOA scale but that is far less common, better to learn Mils.

As for SFP vs FFP, you have a choice to make. A SFP scope has a fixed size reticle, it can only range at one magnification, usually maximum. A FFP scope will maintain the relative size of the reticle so it will zoom with the scope image and can range at any magnification.

Since you want to hunt, you'll probably want a scope with a wide field of view and low magnification like 2-3x minimum. At that magnification a FFP reticle might be very small and hard to pick up, maybe poor for hunting?

 

[fdkay]

Don't over think this.
Mils or MOA, doesn't matter which. They both work fine, just get a scope with matching adjustments.
I will say this, once you begin to shoot in matches, etc... 95% of the shooters are going to be using mil systems. If they are spotting for you, they will call corrections in mils.

Since your budget is only 500, I would suggest that you look to a quality SFP scope as they tend to be cheaper.
https://swfa.com/sightron-3-16x42-s-tac-30mm-riflescope-3.html

There are, however, several FFP scopes that fall into that price range.
Here is one that may serve you well:
https://swfa.com/falcon-4-18x44-m18-30mm-riflescope.html

 

[tnichols]

Don't be afraid to check the Optics for sale section here on the Hide for something used. You'll get more scope for the money.

I agree that both MOA or Mils work just fine, but most LR shooters communicate in Mils as mentioned above. As you're just getting started, more experienced shooters will be willing to help and will probably relay information to you (come ups, wind holds, etc...) in Mils. No sense muddying the water having to do the conversion in your head or on the fly.

 

[Bender]

If you are trying to convert anything using Mils or Moa, you are doing it wrong and do not understand its use.

No offense intended.

A Mil=Mil. A MOA=MOA. No conversions.

Don’t over think it.

 

[SlimySquirrel]

You say $500..... I would suggest the PST Gen II or Athlon Ares BTR if you can find the new one...... thats $200 more than you want to spend but then you will be able to hit what you're aiming at and see it...

Just been down the road of "What scope" myself. One of the factors I included in my thinking was "will I regret buying this scope?" scenario.

If you can save a bit more then do so and buy the best optic you can.

 

[tnichols]

If you are trying to convert anything using Mils or Moa, you are doing it wrong and do not understand its use.

No offense intended.

A Mil=Mil. A MOA=MOA. No conversions.

Don’t over think it.

None taken. What I was trying to get across to the OP was, if he’s using an MOA platform, and the spotter calls a correction in Mils, now he has to do math in his head to convert that back to a new hold.

 

[Bender]

None taken. What I was trying to get across to the OP was, if he’s using an MOA platform, and the spotter calls a correction in Mils, now he has to do math in his head to convert that back to a new hold.

Exactly. If his buddies use Mils, he should buy mils... obviously. Lol

 

[jpspeeddemon]

SWFA 10x for $300 or a Weaver Grand Slam Tactical 3-10x of $200. Then save up a few bucks and get something down the road. Both scopes will do what you need them to do without breaking the bank. Or find a used Vortex HST in the classifieds for ~$400