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People who need to be culled from the gene pool? Yeah, we got 'em here, too.

eastexsteve

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I swear you can't make this stuff up.



To my best recollection, this is the funniest encounter I've had to date with trespassers. Although, I have had some close seconds. It's got to be the local gene pool. I keep reminding everybody that I wasn't born in this county.
 
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Pretty risky don’t you think? Piece of shrapnel in the eye, all of a sudden you’ve maimed somebody for life and done so by negligently discharging your firearm at someone. Lawyers would have a field day with that one...
 
You did what we all would like to do. (Not sure I would have the balls to try). Now you should honestly delete the evidence.

When doing such things the only person you should brag to is the one in the mirror.

Once again, I repeat myself. DON'T POST SHIT TO SOCIAL MEDIA!!!!
 
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Pretty risky don’t you think? Piece of shrapnel in the eye, all of a sudden you’ve maimed somebody for life and done so by negligently discharging your firearm at someone. Lawyers would have a field day with that one...

If I lived anywhere else but here, I would be fearful of such. Texas penal code has some pretty good laws allowing you to protect your property. And, the judges in my county definitely have a sour attitude toward trespassers and other lawbreakers. I have actually seen judges here go on record from the bench stating things like: "Well, you were where you shouldn't have been.." To give you an idea, for many years both the district judge and the JP ran on a platform of not prosecuting any law-abiding citizen of a gun crime BEFORE concealed-carry was allowed. They both ran unopposed for many terms. Maybe if I lived in the Peoples Republic of Austin, I would be afraid. But, not here. However, in the spirit of cooperation, I will "edit" the post. That's why I like it here in Texas. It's different.
 
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A thief caught red handed deserves to have the fuck beat out of them. I would have done the exact same thing if I was confident I wouldn’t hit him. Sounds like you have some acreage to dig a hole if you accidentally did, lol. But yeah I’d delete this
 
Hi,

Not even Texas allows the use of deadly force on someone 500 yards away.

Not even Texas allows warning shoots as advanced warning to stop what you are doing type of situations.

Sincerely,
Theis

You should have a look at Texas law. Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.
 
You should have a look at Texas law. Sec. 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the property.

Hi,

Please highlight the words Lethal Force in that.

Better yet, articulate where and how deadly force was deemed to be the degree in which one would reasonably believe it to take in regards to prevent interference with said property?

By your own words you stated you had another way of getting him to cease his actions but you didn't want him to hear you and run off. Even though running off would cease the interfence of ones property.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
Dammit...I missed the video too.....
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Hi,

Please highlight the words Lethal Force in that.

"..to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary.."

Better yet, articulate where and how deadly force was deemed to be the degree in which one would reasonably believe it to take in regards to prevent interference with said property?

I didn't know his cell phone number, and he obviously wasn't listening or observing anything I was doing. There was no other way to immediately make him cease his actions. Abd, take note the law doesn't say "one reasonably believes." It specifically says "the actor."


By your own words you stated you had another way of getting him to cease his actions but you didn't want him to hear you and run off. Even though running off would cease the interfence of ones property.

Sincerely,
Theis

No, it would not. And, I didn't care if he heard me. He was trespassing as long as he was on the property. The only way he would "cease his actions" is if he left the property. I would have had no way of guaranteeing this, other than to observe him leaving the property. Which, by the time I got to his location, he could have gone anywhere. Perhaps, to even hide and ambush me. I've been shot at before on my own property.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that I live here, and been a landowner here for decades. I've seen these cases go down. The DA rarely touches them, and if the offender/trespasser makes the mistake of being armed, or decides to carry out their shenanigans "under cover of darkness" it gets even worse for them. I believe the DA and local judges stay away from these cases is because the landowner usually prevails. Organizations like the Texas Cattleman's Association throw a lot money and resources to ranchers and farmers in this state to protect and defend them from being run over by zealous prosecutors looking to protect criminals.
 
I didn’t see the original post but can connect the dots.

As much as I do agree with your actions, I believe few courts would. If the dirtbag hired an attorney, they would have their day in court.

If the people where you live backed you in a jury, I need to move there
 
"..to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary.."



I didn't know his cell phone number, and he obviously wasn't listening or observing anything I was doing. There was no other way to immediately make him cease his actions. Abd, take note the law doesn't say "one reasonably believes." It specifically says "the actor."




No, it would not. And, I didn't care if he heard me. He was trespassing as long as he was on the property. The only way he would "cease his actions" is if he left the property. I would have had no way of guaranteeing this, other than to observe him leaving the property. Which, by the time I got to his location, he could have gone anywhere. Perhaps, to even hide and ambush me. I've been shot at before on my own property.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that I live here, and been a landowner here for decades. I've seen these cases go down. The DA rarely touches them, and if the offender/trespasser makes the mistake of being armed, or decides to carry out their shenanigans "under cover of darkness" it gets even worse for them. I believe the DA and local judges stay away from these cases is because the landowner usually prevails. Organizations like the Texas Cattleman's Association throw a lot money and resources to ranchers and farmers in this state to protect and defend them from being run over by zealous prosecutors looking to protect criminals.
Here's the rub, a prosecutor may not touch a case in the old day's.
However, posting about it on an open platform is not the wisest thing to do.
All it would take is for some liberal to want to make an example of you, then all of a sudden you have an avalanche on your ass.

I was having a problem with people stealing shit from me, I had over 10k worth of stuff come up missing.
I caught them one night and shot the tires off their truck while they were in my garage.
It normally takes an hour to get a deputy to make it to my farm,that's if he's not on another call.
We are a large county with only 3 deputies on patrol,including the road Sargent.
I can tell you what I went through was utterly expensive.
 
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I didn’t see the original post but can connect the dots.

As much as I do agree with your actions, I believe few courts would. If the dirtbag hired an attorney, they would have their day in court.

If the people where you live backed you in a jury, I need to move there

He may have his day in court, but it would be a short one. He had no damages. Just from comparable instances that I've seen over the years here, the judge would probably throw his case out. As far as my actions go, it's very easy to establish the argument that whenever you encounter someone on your property here, they are likely up to no good and there is a clear and present danger. To my knowledge, there are only two game wardens in the state of Texas that actually lost their life in the line of duty. They both occurred in my county.
 
If you continue reading in the penal code Section 9.42 discusses the use of deadly force to protect property...

You would have to reasonably believe that the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover land or property would expose the actor (you) or another to substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

I don’t think that you’d be able to argue in court that you believed you were at substantial risk of anything from an individual 500 yds away holding bolt cutters.
 
If something were to come of it, best defense might would be lack of knowledge that someone was in the vicinity of the target. That gets harder when otherwise could have been posted to an internet forum.
 
I don’t think that you’d be able to argue in court that you believed you were at substantial risk of anything from an individual 500 yds away holding bolt cutters.

I certainly could show that I believed I was at a substantial risk. If someone comes on your property and is attempting to steal something, you and your property are at a substantial risk. You wouldn't know that bolt cutters was all he was holding. As I said in an earlier post, I've been shot at before on my own property. And, two game wardens lost their lives in this county, perhaps making the same dangerous assumption that someone they encountered was harmless. And, the law says up front I'm allowed to use whatever force I deem necessary to stop his actions. I wasn't using deadly force. If I had, he would be dead.
 
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There are a lot of people moving to Texas. The problem is, some of them are bringing along their kooky ideas that turned their current place of residence into the hellhole they are now trying to escape from.

As much as I would like to move to a place with more like minded people, I am a tried and true Yankee waiting for the opportunity to kick out the libtards from New England. Can’t be a traitor
 
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Hi,

Here is a link to an article in regards to warning shots in Texas by one of the premier Pro 2nd Amendment law firms in the State.
https://fairlawpllc.com/warning-shots-and-deadly-force-in-texas/

As I said before, I think it depends upon where you are. in Travis, Harris, or Dallas counties, I would be concerned. Here, poachers and trespassers - armed or not - are occasionally caught by landowners. The landowners disarm the poachers if necessary at gunpoint, take their guns, and/or anything else they may have identifying them, and turn it into the local Justice of the Peace. I've apprehended trespassers myself, and that seems to be the common practice. if they are able, the landowner may call the deputy to come and get the trespassers. If you are like me and own a large parcel of land that has a history of poaching or trespassing problems, you are granted a lot of leeway by the local authorities. As the sheriff himself once told me: "I hope you keep a gun handy out here, because we really can't protect you."

Also....a fact that cannot be disputed. Which of the following 2 game wardens were killed in the same (your) county because I see no 2 Officers killed by suspect from same county period.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/warden/connect/memorial

Sincerely,
Theis

I used to know them by name, but it was many years ago. I do know their names are on a plaque dedicated to Texas peace officers at the Athens Fish Hatchery.

(Update)
The wardens names were Barry Decker and Bruce Hill. Your your link was very interesting in that it contradicts the story given at the time. The story at the time was they were trying to catch poachers night hunting. Authorities found both warden's bodies in Lake Murvaul, but they were not anywhere in the vicinity of a TPW boat, and they had given no prior indication that they would be anywhere near the vicinity of the lake. To my knowledge, the case was never solved.
 
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