Rifle Scopes Please tell me my 2nd Millett isn't broke.

[Swift]

I just received my replacement Millett LRS-1 yesterday. The set screw on the windage knob stripped on my first one, causing the knob to spin freely without actually engaging the internal adjustments.

I got the 2nd mounted up today and boresighted with my Leupold Point Zero. After resetting the turret to zero, I discovered I only have one revolution of inward rotation (5 mils in this case) on the windage turret before it bottoms out. It also took about 7 mils to get the reticles to align properly which seems way off to me.

These scopes are registering +/- 170 MOA internal adjustment and I only have 5 mils left after boresighting?

I tried locking the turrets before backing the screw out, then loosening em before tightening the screw, vise versa, etc, etc. An hour of noodling in all.

Hopefully this is just user error and you guys can help me out. Otherwise I'm gonna have a nice talk with Bushnell customer service tomorrow.

FWIW, my scope wasn't repaired and sent back to me. I was sent a fresh one in a sealed box with rings, sunshade, scope cover, manual and all the other accessories despite not sending mine in (anyone need a pair of 35mm rings or a sunshade you can get inside of and roll down a hill in? haha)

 

[Luke]

Re: Please tell me my 2nd Millett isn't broke.

Try boresighting the old school way by looking down the bore and aligning the crosshairs on your target in that fashion. Might expose a simple error...

 

[frankythefly]

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Yep I dont think you are bore sighting it correctly, I never bore sight I am to lazy. I shoot at the target and look to see the general location where my round hit. I then aim at the exact same place where I aimed for the first shot but then by dialing the turrets up or down left or right I place the cross hairs right where the bullet impacted. Next shot is on paper usually within inches and the third should be through the center.

 

[Swift]

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I know there are plenty of more reliable, old school methods of boresighting but I've mounted and boresighted at least a half a dozen scopes with this and every time it's almost spot on so I know it's not the boresight.

I also take the time to mount my scope correctly. Level the base, level the rings, and level the scope. I even level the boresight to make sure it's exact as possible. Bases, rings, and ring screws all get torqued down to proper specs. I didn't just simply bolt it on and go.

I counted the clicks on the turret and the amount of internal adjustment is correct. I also noticed, though, that when tightening the turret screw that it's not threading evenly, meaning it's threading off axis, which is the same problem that caused the knob on my first unit to bind.

Even if everything is correct, is it acceptable for a scope to take 7 mils to boresight? That seems awful high. I know it's made in China but it's still a pricey piece of equipment. It's not a $100 BSA.

 

[Luke]

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When in doubt buy USO

I don't doubt that your methods are correct, I'm just trying to narrow down the variables and the biggest one I see is the boresighting device...they work, but it doesn't take much to throw them off...

 

[rezmedic54]

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All my scope are usually that way. Most of the time after you shoot it will take some up to get it zeroed. Just remember when you adjust down to go past your point to come back up to it. If you go down always end going down this way you always work off the same side of the screw.

 

[Swan]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I know it's made in China but it's still a pricey piece of equipment. It's not a $100 BSA. </div></div>

You're right. It's a $300 BSA.

 

[frankythefly]

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I misread your post you are talking about windage, I thought you were talking about elevation what was your total windage adjustment range? Perhaps you only have 12 mils of Windage adjustment having 5 mils left over for windage one direction should be fine unless you get into some really crazy wind or shooting extreme distance. I have never gone over 6 mils at a 1000 yds for wind using a .308.
If you are using good rings and checked to see if they lined up properly and you have a good base and checked everything like you are saying I think that is just all the windage those suckers put out.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Re: Please tell me my 2nd Millett isn't broke.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I know it's made in China but it's still a pricey piece of equipment. It's not a $100 BSA. </div></div>

It's still a Chinese scope and you got yourself two prime back to back example of why myself and others recommend strongly against them. If the turret set screw strips out that easily, how do you think the internals will fair with some use? Chinese optics will always let you down it's just a matter of when.

I would suggest returning it to the retailer and getting something else, there are several decent quality scopes in the same price range or less. You can get a SS10X42 for $300 if you don't have to have mil/mil, if you want mil/mil there's the weaver grand slaw tactical at midway for $300, and a bushnell 3200 10X for $175.

 

[Swift]

Re: Please tell me my 2nd Millett isn't broke.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I know it's made in China but it's still a pricey piece of equipment. It's not a $100 BSA. </div></div>

It's still a Chinese scope and you got yourself two prime back to back example of why myself and others recommend strongly against them. If the turret set screw strips out that easily, how do you think the internals will fair with some use? Chinese optics will always let you down it's just a matter of when.

I would suggest returning it to the retailer and getting something else, there are several decent quality scopes in the same price range or less. You can get a SS10X42 for $300 if you don't have to have mil/mil, if you want mil/mil there's the weaver grand slaw tactical at midway for $300, and a bushnell 3200 10X for $175. </div></div>

I can't remember if I bought the scope from SWFA or Midway but I'm pretty sure it's past the point of being returned. The replacement has been mounted and it's not the original product/serial number.

I'm going to call Bushnell and see if there's anything they can do for me.

 

[phideaux]

Re: Please tell me my 2nd Millett isn't broke.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I know it's made in China but it's still a pricey piece of equipment. It's not a $100 BSA. </div></div>

It's still a Chinese scope and you got yourself two prime back to back example of why myself and others recommend strongly against them. If the turret set screw strips out that easily, how do you think the internals will fair with some use? Chinese optics will always let you down it's just a matter of when.

I would suggest returning it to the retailer and getting something else, there are several decent quality scopes in the same price range or less. You can get a SS10X42 for $300 if you don't have to have mil/mil, if you want mil/mil there's the weaver grand slaw tactical at midway for $300, and a bushnell 3200 10X for $175. </div></div>

I can't remember if I bought the scope from SWFA or Midway but I'm pretty sure it's past the point of being returned. The replacement has been mounted and it's not the original product/serial number.

<span style="color: #FF0000">I'm going to call Bushnell and see if there's anything they can do for me.</span> </div></div>
Darlene at Bushnell has been very helpful whenever I've had a problem.

 

[ToddKS]

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Based on my personal experience with this scope, it would not suprise me at all if you had a second defective scope.

My experience involved 4 warranty returns. The good news is that as long as you can clearly explain the problem and demonstrate it, Bushnell will keep either trying to fix it or send you another scope. The bad news is the new/fixed scope may not work either.

The last new scope I received I never even mounted. At that point my confidence in the scope was gone. I traded it off at a significant loss just to be rid of it.

I now have a Vortex Viper on the way from Liberty Optics instead.

 

[Disasterpath]

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Does Bushnell own Millet? I thought Millet and Bushnell were totally separate companies but you guys are talking like they are the same.

 

[Swift]

Re: Please tell me my 2nd Millett isn't broke.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: phideaux</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I know it's made in China but it's still a pricey piece of equipment. It's not a $100 BSA. </div></div>

It's still a Chinese scope and you got yourself two prime back to back example of why myself and others recommend strongly against them. If the turret set screw strips out that easily, how do you think the internals will fair with some use? Chinese optics will always let you down it's just a matter of when.

I would suggest returning it to the retailer and getting something else, there are several decent quality scopes in the same price range or less. You can get a SS10X42 for $300 if you don't have to have mil/mil, if you want mil/mil there's the weaver grand slaw tactical at midway for $300, and a bushnell 3200 10X for $175. </div></div>

I can't remember if I bought the scope from SWFA or Midway but I'm pretty sure it's past the point of being returned. The replacement has been mounted and it's not the original product/serial number.

<span style="color: #FF0000">I'm going to call Bushnell and see if there's anything they can do for me.</span> </div></div>
Darlene at Bushnell has been very helpful whenever I've had a problem. </div></div>

A woman answered the phone, but I'm not sure what her name was. She was very helpful. They're gonna send me a shipping label via email so I don't have to pay the $10 shipping.

 

[Swift]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Disasterpath</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does Bushnell own Millet? I thought Millet and Bushnell were totally separate companies but you guys are talking like they are the same. </div></div>

Bushnell bought Millett not too long ago. Not sure what they got themselves into but hopefully they can turn around the QC issues at Millett.

All this griping about Millett but I have to say, when the scope works, it's a great piece of glass. Good edge to edge clarity, it tracks well and consistently, holds a good zero and has incredible glass for the price. I wouldn't hesitate to put it up against some of the higher tier optics as far as glass.

 

[9H_Cracka]

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That little nose cloth they pack with it makes it all worth the hassle though.

I swear Millett spends more on the packaging than they do the actual scope.

 

[Disasterpath]

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Just curious as I bought a Millet recently but havent had the change to shoot with it yet. I agree, the glass is great, right up there with my Nightforces. I also really like the illumination. I bought it because it is a MIL/MIL scope for $289. Seemed decent to me. One thing I dont like is the clicks however, they seem sloppy and not very positive. Supposedly it has a lifetime warranty though. I guess time will tell.

 

[Swift]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Disasterpath</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious as I bought a Millet recently but havent had the change to shoot with it yet. I agree, the glass is great, right up there with my Nightforces. I also really like the illumination. I bought it because it is a MIL/MIL scope for $289. Seemed decent to me. One thing I dont like is the clicks however, they seem sloppy and not very positive. Supposedly it has a lifetime warranty though. I guess time will tell. </div></div>

The lifetime warranty is a nice bonus, although I'm not sure this is a "lifer" type of scope. I do believe it's transferable though.

As far as the clicks, mine have actually been pretty good. You can loosen up the turret screws and get the hashes to line up very nicely. Is it a little sloppy? Of course, but many have also complained about the Leupold Mk4 turrets not having the best feel so it's not alone. I got the screws pretty snug and making adjustments is pretty easy. I can count clicks with confidence so I don't have to take my eyes off the target.

 

[grayghost]

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I looked into the millet before going with a vortex pst and I don't believe the warranty is transferable.

 

[ToddKS]

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I will agree with the OP that the glass is decent, but most of my returns were for failure to track so I would rate the tracking for this model as FAIL. One of the scopes I received would move 6-7MOA actual when a 2 MOA change was made to the turret.

My one return not related to tracking was due to a turret which was on crooked. This was on a scope which was supposedly repaired.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I can't remember if I bought the scope from SWFA or Midway but I'm pretty sure it's past the point of being returned. The replacement has been mounted and it's not the original product/serial number.

I'm going to call Bushnell and see if there's anything they can do for me. </div></div>

I'm not sure about SWFA but Midway has a 90 day return policy if the item is defective, and it won't matter it it's been mounted if it's within 90 days. They have never documented a serial number on any of the high end scopes I've purchased from them, so I doubt they document it on a $300 chinese scope. As long as you purchased it from Midway and it hasn't been over 90 days you can still return it as defective. This is your best bet because it guarantees all your $$ but shipping back, if you get a replacement from Millet and try to sell you will take a hit.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

As far as the clicks, mine have actually been pretty good. You can loosen up the turret screws and get the hashes to line up very nicely. Is it a little sloppy? Of course, but many have also complained about the Leupold Mk4 turrets not having the best feel so it's not alone. I got the screws pretty snug and making adjustments is pretty easy. I can count clicks with confidence so I don't have to take my eyes off the target. </div></div>

Leupold is hardly a good scope to compare others to, 5-10 years ago it would be a different story but right now their quality really isn't much better than a Millet but still a step up.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

All this griping about Millett but I have to say, when the scope works, it's a great piece of glass. Good edge to edge clarity, it tracks well and consistently, holds a good zero and has incredible glass for the price. I wouldn't hesitate to put it up against some of the higher tier optics as far as glass. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Disasterpath</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I agree, the glass is great, right up there with my Nightforces. </div></div>

Thanks, I've been having a pretty bad day between getting some bad news about a friend and some other stuff, so I needed a good laugh. The glass in these don't even START to compare to a NF or any other high end optic, the glass is mediocre at best. I had two of these scopes and seen a few other samples and above 10-12X they get pretty milky, and the resoltion is pretty bad aswell. There is also a lot of flare when the sun is in front of it, or when looking at a object thats reflecting light. Not to mention glass is far from the most important feature in a scope, overall quality far exceeds glass quality and the scope seriously lacks thats. The scopes a $300 chinese scope, come on. It isn't going to be comparable to a high end optic so why even try. If you must compare it though I would suggest purchasing one of the high end optics and using both, I guarantee you won't go back to a millet.

 

[arcticeddie]

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Hooray, someone finally shares my observations from two of these scopes, BK81008. Both were milky almost to the point of being unusable at 16x. When you look down the bore from the front, you can see the lack of blackening of the inner wall. Since I'm an astronomer, I know how important it is to eliminate internal reflections in telescope tubes. Surprisingly, a TRS-1 model BK81001 is much better. The only difference in the specs is 1/8MOA clicks vs 0.1mil. Everything else is supposed to be the same. Apparently, they're cutting corners and skipping the internal finishing process.

 

[Swift]

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After digging through my emails I figured out that I ordered the scope from SWFA on November 13th of last year. Their return policy also specifically states that once a scope is mounted it cannot be returned. Guess I'm SOL then. Just gonna get this new one in and put it on the market. When they work they're good scopes.

 

[sobrbiker883]

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Once mounte it cannot be returned as in "I don't want this anymore and would like my money back."

Call them and talk to them about returning defective #2....


then quit wasting money on junk. Experience is the reason everyone that's been around for more than a minute steers folks away from chinese trash.

 

[Swift]

Re: Please tell me my 2nd Millett isn't broke.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once mounte it cannot be returned as in "I don't want this anymore and would like my money back."

Call them and talk to them about returning defective #2....


then quit wasting money on junk. Experience is the reason everyone that's been around for more than a minute steers folks away from chinese trash. </div></div>

Well when you've only been into precision shooting for a couple years and try to build a budget rig that's what happens. You live and you learn, I guess. Believe me, I'm not happy about wasting my money.