Sidearms & Scatterguns Police pistol quals

[Deleted member 113831]

There really are none.

I have found zero pistol comps that are remotely close to what a typical LE gunfight with sidearm is like.

Basically, it’s as fast as possible out of the holster, and then frantic/fast offlining while putting rounds on torso.

The latest video of the female officer shooting the guy with a knife is a great example.

It would be big time liability to run a comp that mimics this.

How about a qual where you are surrounded by multiple subjects, in low light conditions, throwing fist sized rocks and chunks of cinder block at you, while you try to arrest one of thier compadres with the other hand? THAT would be realistic!

I wonder how those world class pistol shooters would handle that?

 

[308pirate]

However, it's not the standards that I think are the best test, it's the field courses. Anyone who is interested in finding out where they sit with their pistol skills should compete in a USPSA sectional/state match.

You get it, though I don't think one needs to wait for a once a year event.

At least in my local area, monthly club USPSA matches offer challenging stages that are mostly field courses of various lengths.

 

[308pirate]

I have found zero pistol comps that are remotely close to what a typical LE gunfight with sidearm is like.

Basically, it’s as fast as possible out of the holster, and then frantic/fast offlining while putting rounds on torso.

All the skills (rapid draw, rapid torso hits, explosive movement) you mentioned above are tested in pretty much every USPSA club match every weekend. It's sad that I see almost no cops ever take advantage of that.

 

[Dthomas3523]

All the skills (rapid draw, rapid torso hits, explosive movement) you mentioned above are tested in pretty much every USPSA club match every weekend. It's sad that I see almost no cops ever take advantage of that.

I purposely don’t attend them as I personally (from job experience) feel that if you get caught up in the competitive side, the movements and such create some bad habits. I have *never* seen anyone in a real gunfight move or run like I see at pistol matches.

If you can detach yourself from the game of it, I think it can be beneficial.

I choose to do my own training for this type of thing.

 

[Dthomas3523]

How about a qual where you are surrounded by multiple subjects, in low light conditions, throwing fist sized rocks and chunks of cinder block at you, while you try to arrest one of thier compadres with the other hand? THAT would be realistic!

I wonder how those world class pistol shooters would handle that?

Yep. This is why I don’t believe any current pistol matches are good training other than handling/manipulation of your weapon.

If you don’t train on your own, or get proper training at work, they can help. If you do, I don’t see much benefit.

 

[Snuby642]

@WATERWALKER

I would like to apologize to him and this thread .

I misunderstood his comment and stupidly added a rant because I was butthurt about a couple of isolated incidents not the normal ethics of most le training.

I did not actually intend to imply my training was on a leval par with the profesional staff of nealy anyone.

I have made an ass of myself once again.

 

[308pirate]

How about a qual where you are surrounded by multiple subjects, in low light conditions, throwing fist sized rocks and chunks of cinder block at you, while you try to arrest one of thier compadres with the other hand? THAT would be realistic!

I wonder how those world class pistol shooters would handle that?

I can always count on you to bring some stupid non-sequitur to the table

 

[Unknown]

When I took on the job of chief firearms instructor at my former agency, I made a couple of changes that I thought were realistic:

1. Any qualification has to be done cold. In otherwords, the qualification attempt must be the first rounds you put down range for the day. There are no warm ups in real life, nor should there be in qualification. You should be able to do it first thing, and on demand any time. There is only one attempt allowed daily.

2. There are no alibi shots. If your gun malfunctions, or even if the ammo has a dud (other than a bullet stuck in the barrel), fix it and get back in the fight. We allowed. tremendous latitude for officers to choose the type, brand, and caliber of their weapon, so they sure as hell can't blame me if it doesn't work. If you fail to get a qualifying score for whatever reason, you fail. I don't care if it is the gun, ammo, or your trigger finger that fails to work properly..make it work, or go home.

3. While 80% was the required score by the state, I wanted 100% of the hits at least on the target. The greatest distance was from 25 yards, and was supported on a barrel or barricade, so it isn't like we were asking for tiny groups. Target was about the size of an IPSC target.

qualification course was 25 rounds starting 25 yards from the target and getting closer with each different string of fire.
At first some of the officers who struggled to qualify complained, but they adapted to it, and became better shooters as a result.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

I can always count on you to bring some stupid non-sequitur to the table

The only thing non sequitir in this thread is the scoring you did on those targets.

I guess all that Navy experience punching the x-ring out of bungholes at sea has given you a considerable amount of hubris.