If money was no object, out of the following what brand of scope would be your 1st choice for a top-of-the-line precision bolt gun? If you check "other", can you specify what brand. <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Apologies to US Optics owners I mistakenly left it off the list, I'm not sure how to amend the poll to include it now.</span></span>
Rifle Scopes Poll: What scope brand for precision bolt gun?
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Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
I chose other, because if money were no option I'd have 3 or 4 of each...
and about 30 wildcat catridges named after me like:
6.5-Matthew BAMF and .338 Dirty-D
I chose other, because if money were no option I'd have 3 or 4 of each...
and about 30 wildcat catridges named after me like:
6.5-Matthew BAMF and .338 Dirty-D
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">US Optics = Other </div></div>
Sorry I forgot to add that - I don't know if I can go back and amend the poll. Sorry to all US Optics owners that's a good brand I hadn't considered.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">US Optics = Other </div></div>
Sorry I forgot to add that - I don't know if I can go back and amend the poll. Sorry to all US Optics owners that's a good brand I hadn't considered.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
without a doubt S&B 5-25's or the new 3-20 for me
without a doubt S&B 5-25's or the new 3-20 for me
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
There's been 16 votes and I'm the only one that voted hensoldt? I think a lot of people just vote for what they own because they want to think it's the best. I don't currently own a hensoldt, I have all S&B, but if they were priced equally I would have all hensoldts.
There's been 16 votes and I'm the only one that voted hensoldt? I think a lot of people just vote for what they own because they want to think it's the best. I don't currently own a hensoldt, I have all S&B, but if they were priced equally I would have all hensoldts.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
Seriously...this shit again?
How about figuring out what you need/want in a scope and go from there?
FFP?
Adjustments?
Warranty?
Mag range?
Reticle?
Oh, and why no Counter Sniper in the poll?
Seriously...this shit again?
How about figuring out what you need/want in a scope and go from there?
FFP?
Adjustments?
Warranty?
Mag range?
Reticle?
Oh, and why no Counter Sniper in the poll?
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Apophas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Counter Sniper all the way ....
is there an option to "write in"
LOL ... </div></div>
I've never even heard of them before :-( Shows how much I have to learn! $7000 for a titanium!!! Ouch!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Apophas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Counter Sniper all the way ....
is there an option to "write in"
LOL ... </div></div>
I've never even heard of them before :-( Shows how much I have to learn! $7000 for a titanium!!! Ouch!!!
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
$7000 is a bargain for all the unobtanium that they put into these scopes. They fill it with meteor gas as well. Ive heard the meteor gas compensates for the corialis effect.
$7000 is a bargain for all the unobtanium that they put into these scopes. They fill it with meteor gas as well. Ive heard the meteor gas compensates for the corialis effect.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
IOR is not on the list either, they are kind of second rate but still, they are better than Leupold . The new IOR Terminator with the 40mm tube looks like it could give someone a beating.
IOR is not on the list either, they are kind of second rate but still, they are better than Leupold . The new IOR Terminator with the 40mm tube looks like it could give someone a beating.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">US Optics = Other </div></div>
My vote as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's been 16 votes and I'm the only one that voted hensoldt? I think a lot of people just vote for what they own because they want to think it's the best. I don't currently own a hensoldt, I have all S&B, but if they were priced equally I would have all hensoldts. </div></div>
I've shot them and don't see enough difference to make me want one of them or two of mine, plus for a "top tier" scope they are lacking features.
But your post was really just bait to get this pot boiling again, wasn't it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 17pt">Seriously...this shit again</span>?
How about figuring out what you need/want in a scope and go from there?
FFP?
Adjustments?
Warranty?
Mag range?
Reticle?
</div></div>
Seriously, use the link in gugubica's signature line to search years and years of almost daily postings on this topic.
You will leran more than any poll will tell you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">US Optics = Other </div></div>
My vote as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's been 16 votes and I'm the only one that voted hensoldt? I think a lot of people just vote for what they own because they want to think it's the best. I don't currently own a hensoldt, I have all S&B, but if they were priced equally I would have all hensoldts. </div></div>
I've shot them and don't see enough difference to make me want one of them or two of mine, plus for a "top tier" scope they are lacking features.
But your post was really just bait to get this pot boiling again, wasn't it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 17pt">Seriously...this shit again</span>?
How about figuring out what you need/want in a scope and go from there?
FFP?
Adjustments?
Warranty?
Mag range?
Reticle?
</div></div>
Seriously, use the link in gugubica's signature line to search years and years of almost daily postings on this topic.
You will leran more than any poll will tell you.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
Sobr,
First off, my post had nothing to do with trying to start and argument, just stating my direct observations as I have used every scope mentioned. Secondly, he directly stated that money is no object, so your reasoning for voting for USO is not relevant. I don't see how you can think that if money isn't an object that USO and Hensoldt are equals. I don't believe I've ever read of a Hensoldt having dust in the reticle, but I have experienced this first hand with a USO and read lots more posts where users had similar experiences. Hell, just the other day a guy was showing me a USO and when he tried to adjust the parallax the entire front part of the scope began to screw off.
Sobr,
First off, my post had nothing to do with trying to start and argument, just stating my direct observations as I have used every scope mentioned. Secondly, he directly stated that money is no object, so your reasoning for voting for USO is not relevant. I don't see how you can think that if money isn't an object that USO and Hensoldt are equals. I don't believe I've ever read of a Hensoldt having dust in the reticle, but I have experienced this first hand with a USO and read lots more posts where users had similar experiences. Hell, just the other day a guy was showing me a USO and when he tried to adjust the parallax the entire front part of the scope began to screw off.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
USO is not in the same category as S&B or Hensoldt, saying that clearly shows a willful ignorance of the truth. I bet you would prefer a Cadillac over a Porsche as well just because it was made in America. Also a Warranty is great and all but I don’t think it should be considered when comparing scope quality. As far as I am concerned the ranking goes like this.
Best: S&B: Hensoldt:
Almost best: March: Premier:
Next best: USO: Nightforce: IOR: Vortex Razor
Still ok: Leupold
USO is not in the same category as S&B or Hensoldt, saying that clearly shows a willful ignorance of the truth. I bet you would prefer a Cadillac over a Porsche as well just because it was made in America. Also a Warranty is great and all but I don’t think it should be considered when comparing scope quality. As far as I am concerned the ranking goes like this.
Best: S&B: Hensoldt:
Almost best: March: Premier:
Next best: USO: Nightforce: IOR: Vortex Razor
Still ok: Leupold
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
I voted Leupold because I think that the 1-8 CQBSS is the best value out there
I voted Leupold because I think that the 1-8 CQBSS is the best value out there
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I voted Leupold because I think that the 1-8 CQBSS is the best value out there
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I thought you'd come in with that one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I voted Leupold because I think that the 1-8 CQBSS is the best value out there
I thought you'd come in with that one.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
LOL! You know I'm a Hensoldt man at heart, just had to throw some humor in there just for you.
LOL! You know I'm a Hensoldt man at heart, just had to throw some humor in there just for you.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USO is not in the same category as S&B or Hensoldt, </div></div>
I would almost listen to one of your absolutes like above if you hadn't stated that the 6.5 CM is superior to the 260 Rem and the 6.5x47L. With that being said, I vote Premier.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USO is not in the same category as S&B or Hensoldt, </div></div>
I would almost listen to one of your absolutes like above if you hadn't stated that the 6.5 CM is superior to the 260 Rem and the 6.5x47L. With that being said, I vote Premier.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IOR is not on the list either, they are kind of second rate but still, they are better than Leupold . The new IOR Terminator with the 40mm tube looks like it could give someone a beating. </div></div>Second Rate? Really?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IOR is not on the list either, they are kind of second rate but still, they are better than Leupold . The new IOR Terminator with the 40mm tube looks like it could give someone a beating. </div></div>Second Rate? Really?
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seriously...this shit again?
How about figuring out what you need/want in a scope and go from there?
FFP?
Adjustments?
Warranty?
Mag range?
Reticle?</div></div>
^^ THIS!! ^^
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seriously, use the link in gugubica's signature line to search years and years of almost daily postings on this topic.
You will leran more than any poll will tell you. </div></div>
^^ AND THIS!!! ^^
These polls are always interesting, but they are always reflections of personal preferences, subjective observations, individual requirements, etc. At the end of the day, the "BEST" scope is going to be the "BEST" scope for the individual, with a specific purpose or purposes in mind that meets the individuals needs/requirements. For example, what I might chose for a particular "precision bolt gun" would suck at the job I have a different "precision bolt gun" setup to do. To carry it a step further...I'm not going to chose that same scope for "precision bolt gun" No. 1 which is say a 600yd .223 paper/steel/occassional varmint gun when compared to the scope I would mount on "precision bolt gun" No. 2 which is an extreme long range 408CT.
FWIW...I voted "Other" just to see the results of the stupid poll.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seriously...this shit again?
How about figuring out what you need/want in a scope and go from there?
FFP?
Adjustments?
Warranty?
Mag range?
Reticle?</div></div>
^^ THIS!! ^^
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seriously, use the link in gugubica's signature line to search years and years of almost daily postings on this topic.
You will leran more than any poll will tell you. </div></div>
^^ AND THIS!!! ^^
These polls are always interesting, but they are always reflections of personal preferences, subjective observations, individual requirements, etc. At the end of the day, the "BEST" scope is going to be the "BEST" scope for the individual, with a specific purpose or purposes in mind that meets the individuals needs/requirements. For example, what I might chose for a particular "precision bolt gun" would suck at the job I have a different "precision bolt gun" setup to do. To carry it a step further...I'm not going to chose that same scope for "precision bolt gun" No. 1 which is say a 600yd .223 paper/steel/occassional varmint gun when compared to the scope I would mount on "precision bolt gun" No. 2 which is an extreme long range 408CT.
FWIW...I voted "Other" just to see the results of the stupid poll.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sobr,
First off, my post had nothing to do with trying to start and argument, just stating my direct observations as I have used every scope mentioned. Secondly, he directly stated that money is no object, so your reasoning for voting for USO is not relevant. I don't see how you can think that if money isn't an object that USO and Hensoldt are equals. I don't believe I've ever read of a Hensoldt having dust in the reticle, but I have experienced this first hand with a USO and read lots more posts where users had similar experiences. Hell, just the other day a guy was showing me a USO and when he tried to adjust the parallax the entire front part of the scope began to screw off. </div></div>
bward,
I find your entire post fatuious. Cost is not the only measure of a scopes worth. Because Hensoldt is the most expensive, it wins by default? Surely you jest.....
Frankly I have no use for a scope with a 56mm objective, 34mm tube and the grand choice of two reticles. I have no quarrel, with the glass, quality of controls, and overall performance of the Hensoldt, but I do object to it's size and it's mount-ability.
In your small world, $ signs and the ability to read the front page of the NY Times at 500 yds, is apparently all that counts.
However, prosaic it may sound, some of us still value 30mm tubes for low mounting, various reticle choices, turret flexibility, and the ability to exactly fit the scope to the rifle, rather than altering the rifle to fit the scope.
In short, your right Hensoldt and USO are not equals. An oversized, unflexible Teutonic cookie cutter, even with outstanding glass and build quality, is not the only choice, nor necessarily the best choice, for some applications.
Bob
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sobr,
First off, my post had nothing to do with trying to start and argument, just stating my direct observations as I have used every scope mentioned. Secondly, he directly stated that money is no object, so your reasoning for voting for USO is not relevant. I don't see how you can think that if money isn't an object that USO and Hensoldt are equals. I don't believe I've ever read of a Hensoldt having dust in the reticle, but I have experienced this first hand with a USO and read lots more posts where users had similar experiences. Hell, just the other day a guy was showing me a USO and when he tried to adjust the parallax the entire front part of the scope began to screw off. </div></div>
bward,
I find your entire post fatuious. Cost is not the only measure of a scopes worth. Because Hensoldt is the most expensive, it wins by default? Surely you jest.....
Frankly I have no use for a scope with a 56mm objective, 34mm tube and the grand choice of two reticles. I have no quarrel, with the glass, quality of controls, and overall performance of the Hensoldt, but I do object to it's size and it's mount-ability.
In your small world, $ signs and the ability to read the front page of the NY Times at 500 yds, is apparently all that counts.
However, prosaic it may sound, some of us still value 30mm tubes for low mounting, various reticle choices, turret flexibility, and the ability to exactly fit the scope to the rifle, rather than altering the rifle to fit the scope.
In short, your right Hensoldt and USO are not equals. An oversized, unflexible Teutonic cookie cutter, even with outstanding glass and build quality, is not the only choice, nor necessarily the best choice, for some applications.
Bob
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
I never said that because hensoldt is the most expensive it is the best. You pulled that one out of your ass. The poll was intended to select the best scope regardless of cost, and I believe that to be the hensoldt. If you put cost as a factor I would go with S&B, and that is why I own 5 of them. I agree more reticle choices would make the hensoldt better, but I really like the nh1. I could see an argument for people liking premier or S&B better than the hensoldt, and possibly the new March if it lives up to the hype, but not USO. You can keep your less than stellar glass and dust in your reticle, and I'll keep my 34mm tube monsters.
I never said that because hensoldt is the most expensive it is the best. You pulled that one out of your ass. The poll was intended to select the best scope regardless of cost, and I believe that to be the hensoldt. If you put cost as a factor I would go with S&B, and that is why I own 5 of them. I agree more reticle choices would make the hensoldt better, but I really like the nh1. I could see an argument for people liking premier or S&B better than the hensoldt, and possibly the new March if it lives up to the hype, but not USO. You can keep your less than stellar glass and dust in your reticle, and I'll keep my 34mm tube monsters.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
I have never used a Hensoldt or S&B, but I sure do enjoy shooting my NF and USO.
I have never used a Hensoldt or S&B, but I sure do enjoy shooting my NF and USO.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In short, your right Hensoldt and USO are not equals. An oversized, unflexible Teutonic cookie cutter, even with outstanding glass and build quality, is not the only choice, nor necessarily the best choice, for some applications.
Bob
</div></div>
I disagree about them being oversized. The Hensoldt scopes (3-12x56 and 4-16x56) are actually some of the most compact and <span style="font-style: italic">relatively</span> lightweight tactical scopes made, when compared to other 50mm or larger objective tactical scopes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In short, your right Hensoldt and USO are not equals. An oversized, unflexible Teutonic cookie cutter, even with outstanding glass and build quality, is not the only choice, nor necessarily the best choice, for some applications.
Bob
</div></div>
I disagree about them being oversized. The Hensoldt scopes (3-12x56 and 4-16x56) are actually some of the most compact and <span style="font-style: italic">relatively</span> lightweight tactical scopes made, when compared to other 50mm or larger objective tactical scopes.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's been 16 votes and I'm the only one that voted hensoldt? I think a lot of people just vote for what they own because they want to think it's the best. I don't currently own a hensoldt, I have all S&B, but if they were priced equally I would have all hensoldts.</div></div>
I have a USO SN-3. I voted for S&B. Just because they've been the standard in the industry for years from what i understand, it's hard to go wrong with one if your willing to lay down the cash. Hendsolts are apparently in the same league but i know less about them which is why i chose S&B. Also the Hendsolt is lacking zero stop and many reticle choices, which i like. Having only used one high end scope (USO) and having no complaints whatsoever for the money i would probably buy another. And more than likely will for next precision rifle. But i do want to try out S&B, Hendsolt, NF, premier, and Vortex down the road of my lifetime to see what else i like. When it all comes down to it alot of people get worked up over this crap lol.
This is just directed towards all the arguing that is going to pursue over this thread..
Trying to decide between these scopes comes down to preferences and "likes". I guarantee there is a hendsolt or a S&B in the world that has been messed up and come out of the factory or what not, after all the designers are only human. Noone can convince me that any of the brands above haven't produced a lemon at one time or the other. Pick what you think you like hopefully it goes well for you, enjoy your high quality optic like i do mine
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's been 16 votes and I'm the only one that voted hensoldt? I think a lot of people just vote for what they own because they want to think it's the best. I don't currently own a hensoldt, I have all S&B, but if they were priced equally I would have all hensoldts.</div></div>
I have a USO SN-3. I voted for S&B. Just because they've been the standard in the industry for years from what i understand, it's hard to go wrong with one if your willing to lay down the cash. Hendsolts are apparently in the same league but i know less about them which is why i chose S&B. Also the Hendsolt is lacking zero stop and many reticle choices, which i like. Having only used one high end scope (USO) and having no complaints whatsoever for the money i would probably buy another. And more than likely will for next precision rifle. But i do want to try out S&B, Hendsolt, NF, premier, and Vortex down the road of my lifetime to see what else i like. When it all comes down to it alot of people get worked up over this crap lol.
This is just directed towards all the arguing that is going to pursue over this thread..
Trying to decide between these scopes comes down to preferences and "likes". I guarantee there is a hendsolt or a S&B in the world that has been messed up and come out of the factory or what not, after all the designers are only human. Noone can convince me that any of the brands above haven't produced a lemon at one time or the other. Pick what you think you like hopefully it goes well for you, enjoy your high quality optic like i do mine
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyDonkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IOR is not on the list either, they are kind of second rate but still, they are better than Leupold . The new IOR Terminator with the 40mm tube looks like it could give someone a beating. </div></div>Second Rate? Really?</div></div>
I'm in the same boat. I don't agree that they are second rate. In fact, as an owner of an IOR, they are at the very least one of the best values currently on the market. You would have to pay quite a bit more to get all of the same features from a different source.
I went with other=IOR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyDonkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IOR is not on the list either, they are kind of second rate but still, they are better than Leupold . The new IOR Terminator with the 40mm tube looks like it could give someone a beating. </div></div>Second Rate? Really?</div></div>
I'm in the same boat. I don't agree that they are second rate. In fact, as an owner of an IOR, they are at the very least one of the best values currently on the market. You would have to pay quite a bit more to get all of the same features from a different source.
I went with other=IOR
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IOR is not on the list either, they are kind of second rate but still, they are better than Leupold . The new IOR Terminator with the 40mm tube looks like it could give someone a beating. </div></div>
Second rate? I hate to make assumptions on your expertise but calling IOR second rate and saying that leupys are "still ok" is bold. You have your own experiences but I totally disagree, I have both and I'd take an IOR every day over my Leupy. and I really like my Leupy...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical_Tom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IOR is not on the list either, they are kind of second rate but still, they are better than Leupold . The new IOR Terminator with the 40mm tube looks like it could give someone a beating. </div></div>
Second rate? I hate to make assumptions on your expertise but calling IOR second rate and saying that leupys are "still ok" is bold. You have your own experiences but I totally disagree, I have both and I'd take an IOR every day over my Leupy. and I really like my Leupy...
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
I voted for S&B. Hensoldts have better glass, but the S&B has greater elevation range, which, at the distances I shoot, is necessary. If it was not, I would choose Hensoldt.
I voted for S&B. Hensoldts have better glass, but the S&B has greater elevation range, which, at the distances I shoot, is necessary. If it was not, I would choose Hensoldt.
Re: Poll: What scope brand for precision bolt gun?
I voted for NF and the new NF will be very very nice. I can say enough MOA in one turn than most people ever needed.
I voted for NF and the new NF will be very very nice. I can say enough MOA in one turn than most people ever needed.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
The point is that there is more than plenty information on all the scope brands listed if people would just bother to look before posting yet another "what's the best" thread.
Many folks have spent much time already typing out there thoughts on subjects that the spoon fed crowd doesn't want to bother looking into on their own.
The point is that there is more than plenty information on all the scope brands listed if people would just bother to look before posting yet another "what's the best" thread.
Many folks have spent much time already typing out there thoughts on subjects that the spoon fed crowd doesn't want to bother looking into on their own.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ladd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In short, your right Hensoldt and USO are not equals. An oversized, unflexible Teutonic cookie cutter, even with outstanding glass and build quality, is not the only choice, nor necessarily the best choice, for some applications.
Bob
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I disagree about them being oversized. The Hensoldt scopes (3-12x56 and 4-16x56) are actually some of the most compact and <span style="font-style: italic">relatively</span> lightweight tactical scopes made, when compared to other 50mm or larger objective tactical scopes. </div></div>
This is the reason I went to Hensoldt, they are 2" shorter than the S&B's of the same power. Very nice sized package.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ladd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In short, your right Hensoldt and USO are not equals. An oversized, unflexible Teutonic cookie cutter, even with outstanding glass and build quality, is not the only choice, nor necessarily the best choice, for some applications.
Bob
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I disagree about them being oversized. The Hensoldt scopes (3-12x56 and 4-16x56) are actually some of the most compact and <span style="font-style: italic">relatively</span> lightweight tactical scopes made, when compared to other 50mm or larger objective tactical scopes. </div></div>
This is the reason I went to Hensoldt, they are 2" shorter than the S&B's of the same power. Very nice sized package.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ladd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In short, your right Hensoldt and USO are not equals. An oversized, unflexible Teutonic cookie cutter, even with outstanding glass and build quality, is not the only choice, nor necessarily the best choice, for some applications.
Bob
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I disagree about them being oversized. The Hensoldt scopes (3-12x56 and 4-16x56) are actually some of the most compact and <span style="font-style: italic">relatively</span> lightweight tactical scopes made, when compared to other 50mm or larger objective tactical scopes. </div></div>
This is the reason I went to Hensoldt, they are 2" shorter than the S&B's of the same power. Very nice sized package. </div></div>
I think your both misunderstanding me. I have nothing against Hensoldt. They make a fine scope. And they are short front to rear, and relatively light. But they are also tall.
Does Hensoldt make a Tactical scope with less than a 34mm Tube? Or one with less than a 56MM objective?
I can mount my 30mm tubed, 44mm Objective, USO lower to the receiver than I can a Hensoldt, S&B (34mm tube), or Premier (34mm Tube). That's a virtue I find compelling and useful to ME.
Or if I wish to go another way, I can get a 34mm or 35mm tubed USO. And I can still have a choice of different parallax controls, numerous reticles, turret locations, with or without illumination.
I am willing to give up something, uber glass quality, to get something in return; flexibility in the build and low mounting height if I want it.
There is nothing wrong with your choice for you, whether it's Hensoldt, S&B, Premier, NF. I chose differently for reasons other than the glass inside. Because I believe there is more to a scope than just lenses.......
Others may value things differently, and that's ok by me.
Bob
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ladd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
In short, your right Hensoldt and USO are not equals. An oversized, unflexible Teutonic cookie cutter, even with outstanding glass and build quality, is not the only choice, nor necessarily the best choice, for some applications.
Bob
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I disagree about them being oversized. The Hensoldt scopes (3-12x56 and 4-16x56) are actually some of the most compact and <span style="font-style: italic">relatively</span> lightweight tactical scopes made, when compared to other 50mm or larger objective tactical scopes. </div></div>
This is the reason I went to Hensoldt, they are 2" shorter than the S&B's of the same power. Very nice sized package. </div></div>
I think your both misunderstanding me. I have nothing against Hensoldt. They make a fine scope. And they are short front to rear, and relatively light. But they are also tall.
Does Hensoldt make a Tactical scope with less than a 34mm Tube? Or one with less than a 56MM objective?
I can mount my 30mm tubed, 44mm Objective, USO lower to the receiver than I can a Hensoldt, S&B (34mm tube), or Premier (34mm Tube). That's a virtue I find compelling and useful to ME.
Or if I wish to go another way, I can get a 34mm or 35mm tubed USO. And I can still have a choice of different parallax controls, numerous reticles, turret locations, with or without illumination.
I am willing to give up something, uber glass quality, to get something in return; flexibility in the build and low mounting height if I want it.
There is nothing wrong with your choice for you, whether it's Hensoldt, S&B, Premier, NF. I chose differently for reasons other than the glass inside. Because I believe there is more to a scope than just lenses.......
Others may value things differently, and that's ok by me.
Bob
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
S&B and Hensoldt are both on my top, S&B edges out slightly with me because of my love for the single turn turrets and the Hennie 6-24x is SFP only.. But its purely a personal preference issue. I liked the options on my USO, and it was built like a German tank but like many others I had dust on glass issues, lots of dust.
S&B and Hensoldt are both on my top, S&B edges out slightly with me because of my love for the single turn turrets and the Hennie 6-24x is SFP only.. But its purely a personal preference issue. I liked the options on my USO, and it was built like a German tank but like many others I had dust on glass issues, lots of dust.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
Out of your list, I am liking the NF based on cost/quality. I have had a couple and have been very happy with them.
Money no consideration? SB all the way. I havent been lucky enough to get hold of one of these beauties yet, but I have played with a couple and they were FINE.
Out of your list, I am liking the NF based on cost/quality. I have had a couple and have been very happy with them.
Money no consideration? SB all the way. I havent been lucky enough to get hold of one of these beauties yet, but I have played with a couple and they were FINE.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
I think we all could use some badass new glass!
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I think we all could use some badass new glass!
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Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
There are no mistakes in that list. Start with NF, USO or Leupold. Buy used. If you don't like it, then sell it and move on to something else. It's a great way to try'em out. You'll make a little or loose a little but they hold their value.
If you've got the cash, then use what the Marines are using (as near as you can).
There are no mistakes in that list. Start with NF, USO or Leupold. Buy used. If you don't like it, then sell it and move on to something else. It's a great way to try'em out. You'll make a little or loose a little but they hold their value.
If you've got the cash, then use what the Marines are using (as near as you can).
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rosie Palma</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not to hijack the thread, but I have an SN3 ERGO EREK mil/mil with GEN II XR reticle and red illumination.
What bolt rifle would be best? </div></div>
ha, awesome.
If it was green I would say .338LM, but since its red, go .300WM.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rosie Palma</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not to hijack the thread, but I have an SN3 ERGO EREK mil/mil with GEN II XR reticle and red illumination.
What bolt rifle would be best? </div></div>
ha, awesome.
If it was green I would say .338LM, but since its red, go .300WM.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rosie Palma</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not to hijack the thread, but I have an SN3 ERGO EREK mil/mil with GEN II XR reticle and red illumination.
What bolt rifle would be best? </div></div>
The one held by guys that wear their sunglasses at night obviously!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rosie Palma</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not to hijack the thread, but I have an SN3 ERGO EREK mil/mil with GEN II XR reticle and red illumination.
What bolt rifle would be best? </div></div>
The one held by guys that wear their sunglasses at night obviously!
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
Hensoldt first choice S&B second choice both are great scopes the Hensoldt is a little better glass shorter oal.
Hensoldt first choice S&B second choice both are great scopes the Hensoldt is a little better glass shorter oal.
Re: What choice of scope brand for precision bolt gun?
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gugubica said:Seriously...this shit again?
Every new topic I read now says ^^^. Or "try to search before posting". Or "we are beating a dead horse again.
I would like to read a topic just one time without someone saying this. If this is wasting your time you need a job.
There's only so much you can talk about. Some of this is going to be repeated. If you don't have anything to contribute then just be quiet.
This is nothing towards gugubica. This is just the straw that broke my back.
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Uhhh, it appears that you failed to read my signature...I do, in fact need a job.
Since the questions I asked are going unanswered, I will use my go to recomendation...Nightforce. and I don't currently own one. What I am using has no bearing on what I should recommend, else I could be accused of being a fan boy or justifying my purchase or whatever.
Nightforce makes top end optics that are pretty much indestructable. They do not make the scope I need though...that's the thing what I need will not be the same thing as what anybody else does. That's why we need to know what someone wants out of their scope before telling them what they should buy.
Which is best is just to open ended.
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