Powder measure?
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Get a cheap thrower like lee and weigh every charge if your looking for accuracy. Usually I throw a little under and trickle up to what I want. This gives piece of mind that every one weighs the same.
Get a cheap thrower like lee and weigh every charge if your looking for accuracy. Usually I throw a little under and trickle up to what I want. This gives piece of mind that every one weighs the same.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy whatever powder throw is cheapest, spend on the scale. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buy whatever powder throw is cheapest, spend on the scale. </div></div>
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Willly,
One thing that leads guys to make this mistake is that short range bench guys use powder throwers with extreme accuracy.
To get the best accuracy at 600yds plus I gain significant accuracy by weighing charges precisely. The more precise the better the vertical accuracy.
If you are shooting 200-300 yards the Harrell works well, but for the same money you can have a Santorious which will blow your mind with precision.
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Best of luck
Willly,
One thing that leads guys to make this mistake is that short range bench guys use powder throwers with extreme accuracy.
To get the best accuracy at 600yds plus I gain significant accuracy by weighing charges precisely. The more precise the better the vertical accuracy.
If you are shooting 200-300 yards the Harrell works well, but for the same money you can have a Santorious which will blow your mind with precision.
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Best of luck
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I just picked up a Redding 3BR with universal and pistol chambers, loaded 250rds of 45acp with .1gr accuracy. The key I've found out so far is I have to dispense the first 25 loads for better consistency. I guess the powder needs to settle? YMMV
I just picked up a Redding 3BR with universal and pistol chambers, loaded 250rds of 45acp with .1gr accuracy. The key I've found out so far is I have to dispense the first 25 loads for better consistency. I guess the powder needs to settle? YMMV
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlxcupid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just picked up a Redding 3BR with universal and pistol chambers, loaded 250rds of 45acp with .1gr accuracy. The key I've found out so far is I have to dispense the first 25 loads for better consistency. I guess the powder needs to settle? YMMV </div></div>
I been using a Redding 3BR for a while now with the large powder hopper. It gives me excellent consistency.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlxcupid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just picked up a Redding 3BR with universal and pistol chambers, loaded 250rds of 45acp with .1gr accuracy. The key I've found out so far is I have to dispense the first 25 loads for better consistency. I guess the powder needs to settle? YMMV </div></div>
I been using a Redding 3BR for a while now with the large powder hopper. It gives me excellent consistency.
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Love my Harrell's Magnum. For logn range though, extruded powders still need to be weighed.
Love my Harrell's Magnum. For logn range though, extruded powders still need to be weighed.
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I agree with the first poster. For longrange consistent loads you must weigh every round. Not as bad as it seems when you get your system sorted out.
I agree with the first poster. For longrange consistent loads you must weigh every round. Not as bad as it seems when you get your system sorted out.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: adam3999</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RCBS ChargeMaster has been good to me. </div></div>
Ditto here. By the time I pour the powder in the case, seat a bullet, measure the OAL and place the finished round in the box a fresh, weighed, charge is waiting for me.
No having to drop and pour back several charges if you took a "comfort break". Every single load is weighed and it does it all by itself. No separate "trickling" required.
Have also noted a lot of Bench Rest shooters using them at the range with battery packs. The old Harrel's are being left in the tool box.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: adam3999</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RCBS ChargeMaster has been good to me. </div></div>
Ditto here. By the time I pour the powder in the case, seat a bullet, measure the OAL and place the finished round in the box a fresh, weighed, charge is waiting for me.
No having to drop and pour back several charges if you took a "comfort break". Every single load is weighed and it does it all by itself. No separate "trickling" required.
Have also noted a lot of Bench Rest shooters using them at the range with battery packs. The old Harrel's are being left in the tool box.
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Do it old school and you won't have to worry about fluctuations due to induced a.c. or other electrical problems. That means a decent (not great) powder measure, a good balance beam scale, and a powder trickler (this can be electric). I only use my electronic scale to sort brass and bullets. This has served me well over forty years, but YMMV.
Do it old school and you won't have to worry about fluctuations due to induced a.c. or other electrical problems. That means a decent (not great) powder measure, a good balance beam scale, and a powder trickler (this can be electric). I only use my electronic scale to sort brass and bullets. This has served me well over forty years, but YMMV.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rubicon1996</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a cheap thrower like lee and weigh every charge if your looking for accuracy. Usually I throw a little under and trickle up to what I want. This gives piece of mind that every one weighs the same. </div></div>
I'm with this guy.... same weigh I do it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rubicon1996</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a cheap thrower like lee and weigh every charge if your looking for accuracy. Usually I throw a little under and trickle up to what I want. This gives piece of mind that every one weighs the same. </div></div>
I'm with this guy.... same weigh I do it.
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I weigh my charges for long range on the acculab, but I do throw with the Harrell's as well. Really, it just saves me a lot of trickling. On a side note I have noticed that some of my powders weigh differently over time using the same setting on the Harrell's. Probably powder gaining or losing moisture. I haven't had the chance to really experiment yet to see what the difference is. Probably not much if I've properly selected my accuracy node is what I'm guessing.
I weigh my charges for long range on the acculab, but I do throw with the Harrell's as well. Really, it just saves me a lot of trickling. On a side note I have noticed that some of my powders weigh differently over time using the same setting on the Harrell's. Probably powder gaining or losing moisture. I haven't had the chance to really experiment yet to see what the difference is. Probably not much if I've properly selected my accuracy node is what I'm guessing.
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Sartorius scale and an Omega trickler. I just got both and I'm able to measure down to a single kernal of powder if I really want to get precise. I use the cheap Lee powder measure scopes to get close then use the Omega to run up to the planned charge.
I just put together a load for my father's 30-06 and measured each down to .01 grains +/- .005 grains. I was limited buy the variations of each indivual kernal of powder. It's that precise. We settled on a load thats sub .7 MOA consistently out of a factory 700.
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Sartorius scale and an Omega trickler. I just got both and I'm able to measure down to a single kernal of powder if I really want to get precise. I use the cheap Lee powder measure scopes to get close then use the Omega to run up to the planned charge.
I just put together a load for my father's 30-06 and measured each down to .01 grains +/- .005 grains. I was limited buy the variations of each indivual kernal of powder. It's that precise. We settled on a load thats sub .7 MOA consistently out of a factory 700.
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Using the soda straw mod on the Chargemaster really keeps the throws alot more consistent and will be accurate within a couple indivdual kernels of powder which is darn close especially using extruded powders that tend to bunch up at the end of the tube and fall off in a clump and the slippery straw helps keep the kernels separated.
Once you use an automated Chargemaster you won't look back and even if your totally anal using another scale to verify each load shows that only a kernel or two needs to be added to be deadnuts on.
Using the soda straw mod on the Chargemaster really keeps the throws alot more consistent and will be accurate within a couple indivdual kernels of powder which is darn close especially using extruded powders that tend to bunch up at the end of the tube and fall off in a clump and the slippery straw helps keep the kernels separated.
Once you use an automated Chargemaster you won't look back and even if your totally anal using another scale to verify each load shows that only a kernel or two needs to be added to be deadnuts on.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: in2deep</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Once you use an automated Chargemaster you won't look back and even if your totally anal using another scale to verify each load shows that only a kernel or two needs to be added to be deadnuts on.
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I'm fairly "anal" about accuracy of load weight but not to the point of having several scales to "verify" the load. I prefer to just check my Chargemaster scale regularly with check weights that are as close to the actual charge weight as possible. I also leave my scale turned on at all times. No "warm up drift" that way. It's been continuously on since I bought it about 3 years ago with a couple of exceptions when there were weather related power outages.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: in2deep</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Once you use an automated Chargemaster you won't look back and even if your totally anal using another scale to verify each load shows that only a kernel or two needs to be added to be deadnuts on.
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I'm fairly "anal" about accuracy of load weight but not to the point of having several scales to "verify" the load. I prefer to just check my Chargemaster scale regularly with check weights that are as close to the actual charge weight as possible. I also leave my scale turned on at all times. No "warm up drift" that way. It's been continuously on since I bought it about 3 years ago with a couple of exceptions when there were weather related power outages.
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Some people double-check the Chargemaster because it is only rated for 1/10 grain accuracy which can result in one charge at 29.9 grains and the next at 30.1 and at those variations many believe that vertical can show up in long range shooting since that's quire a bit of difference especially in smaller cases.
Shooting off a bench at mid-range like 500 yards I can see it on paper and it's always interesting to do a 2 or 3 tenths ladder test and watch the bullets climb up the paper for each incremental change.
Some people double-check the Chargemaster because it is only rated for 1/10 grain accuracy which can result in one charge at 29.9 grains and the next at 30.1 and at those variations many believe that vertical can show up in long range shooting since that's quire a bit of difference especially in smaller cases.
Shooting off a bench at mid-range like 500 yards I can see it on paper and it's always interesting to do a 2 or 3 tenths ladder test and watch the bullets climb up the paper for each incremental change.
