For those of you that have had both the Premier and the Schmidt and Bender PMII, which one did you prefer and why? Or is there so little difference at this quality level that I am splitting hairs.
Rifle Scopes PR vs. S&B
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Re: PR vs. S&B
Id have to swing this one in the way of the SB and im not a huge fan of the SB anyway.
Id have to swing this one in the way of the SB and im not a huge fan of the SB anyway.
Re: PR vs. S&B
I hope I don't start any problems here but I was looking at both of those scopes when I bought my premier about 6 months ago. I do not see any diff in the glass. I understand it to be from the same place. Maybe the grinding makes it better on one scope then the other, I don't know for sure. About that same time, T. Burkes from around where I live got ahold of a ton of diff scopes to look through. S&B, premier, hensoldt and many others. We were able to look through them for as long as we wanted and compare them to all the other scopes. I made my decision right there. No need to pay that much more for something I did not think was any better. I would probably go with one again over the S&B but I would have to think about it alot more, the price diff is not much anymore unless you can get you a good used premier on the EE. That being said there are also alot of people that will tell you hands down the S&B is better or the premier is better. For me, it was the premier and I was also not the only one that thought that on that day nor am I the only one that bought a premier after that. With all that being said, I would surely like to get my hands on a hensoldt but I do not want to pay the coin and I do not think that they offer a measurable diff over the Zeiss in the same configuration in a diavari.
I hope I don't start any problems here but I was looking at both of those scopes when I bought my premier about 6 months ago. I do not see any diff in the glass. I understand it to be from the same place. Maybe the grinding makes it better on one scope then the other, I don't know for sure. About that same time, T. Burkes from around where I live got ahold of a ton of diff scopes to look through. S&B, premier, hensoldt and many others. We were able to look through them for as long as we wanted and compare them to all the other scopes. I made my decision right there. No need to pay that much more for something I did not think was any better. I would probably go with one again over the S&B but I would have to think about it alot more, the price diff is not much anymore unless you can get you a good used premier on the EE. That being said there are also alot of people that will tell you hands down the S&B is better or the premier is better. For me, it was the premier and I was also not the only one that thought that on that day nor am I the only one that bought a premier after that. With all that being said, I would surely like to get my hands on a hensoldt but I do not want to pay the coin and I do not think that they offer a measurable diff over the Zeiss in the same configuration in a diavari.
Re: PR vs. S&B
S&B all the way!! Better scopes, better design, better all around. The only downside to S&B has been the long wait times for service but with the new US service center that's history. Also, if you need to use their service, they offer a loaner scope!! Not sure of any other companies that will do that!
S&B all the way!! Better scopes, better design, better all around. The only downside to S&B has been the long wait times for service but with the new US service center that's history. Also, if you need to use their service, they offer a loaner scope!! Not sure of any other companies that will do that!
Re: PR vs. S&B
i own several of both. glass is so close, its not worth talking about. Personally i LOVE the larger knobs on the PH
C
i own several of both. glass is so close, its not worth talking about. Personally i LOVE the larger knobs on the PH
C
Re: PR vs. S&B
Premier!
I liked the first one enough to buy a second. I'm also proud to say I paid 2009 prices!
Premier!
I liked the first one enough to buy a second. I'm also proud to say I paid 2009 prices!
Re: PR vs. S&B
I really like my Premier (especially at 2009 price from LO): strong clicks, fat turrets and easy to zero, great glass and very solid overall. Illum is a plus too, I like how they integrated it in the paralax knob.
Plus I like to support a US family business.
I really like my Premier (especially at 2009 price from LO): strong clicks, fat turrets and easy to zero, great glass and very solid overall. Illum is a plus too, I like how they integrated it in the paralax knob.
Plus I like to support a US family business.
Re: PR vs. S&B
I own a PR 5-25, I really wanted a S&B 5-25, but there was almost a 1k difference in price, I'm not sorry at all on my choice, it tracks perfectly, spot on repeatable, IMHO the glass is as good as the S&B, but not Hensoldt good, and much better than my NSX, my only cmplaint is the lack of markings on the paralex knob, which all the new ones have.
I own a PR 5-25, I really wanted a S&B 5-25, but there was almost a 1k difference in price, I'm not sorry at all on my choice, it tracks perfectly, spot on repeatable, IMHO the glass is as good as the S&B, but not Hensoldt good, and much better than my NSX, my only cmplaint is the lack of markings on the paralex knob, which all the new ones have.
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If I could get one of the other scopes, it would be the hensoldt. I really did like how compact and rugged feeling the scope was. I also have to say the sight picture really did sort of pop out at you. Very good to look through. Still, very glad that I got the premier.
If I could get one of the other scopes, it would be the hensoldt. I really did like how compact and rugged feeling the scope was. I also have to say the sight picture really did sort of pop out at you. Very good to look through. Still, very glad that I got the premier.
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If I could get one of the other scopes, it would be the hensoldt. I really did like how compact and rugged feeling the scope was. I also have to say the sight picture really did sort of pop out at you. Very good to look through. Still, very glad that I got the premier.
If I could get one of the other scopes, it would be the hensoldt. I really did like how compact and rugged feeling the scope was. I also have to say the sight picture really did sort of pop out at you. Very good to look through. Still, very glad that I got the premier.
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I think as Hensoldt gets in more and more hands of tactical shooters, you'll see them recommended more and more. They are gaining momentum and once you look through one it's hard to go back, they are a couple hundred more than SB, but once you're at that price point then what the heck.
I think as Hensoldt gets in more and more hands of tactical shooters, you'll see them recommended more and more. They are gaining momentum and once you look through one it's hard to go back, they are a couple hundred more than SB, but once you're at that price point then what the heck.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think as Hensoldt gets in more and more hands of tactical shooters, you'll see them recommended more and more. They are gaining momentum and once you look through one it's hard to go back, they are a couple hundred more than SB, but once you're at that price point then what the heck. </div></div>
Here's to hoping for another reticle choice in the near future. For the money, that is the big deal breaker for me . . .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think as Hensoldt gets in more and more hands of tactical shooters, you'll see them recommended more and more. They are gaining momentum and once you look through one it's hard to go back, they are a couple hundred more than SB, but once you're at that price point then what the heck. </div></div>
Here's to hoping for another reticle choice in the near future. For the money, that is the big deal breaker for me . . .
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I got a chance to look through a PR the other day at the range, I have to say I was not as impressed with the glass as I thought I would be. I have looked through quite a few S&B's and the nod goes to them. And with the new pricing on the PR, I would rather get a S&B or another USO. Heck, my 58mm USO seemed more clear to me than the PR.
I got a chance to look through a PR the other day at the range, I have to say I was not as impressed with the glass as I thought I would be. I have looked through quite a few S&B's and the nod goes to them. And with the new pricing on the PR, I would rather get a S&B or another USO. Heck, my 58mm USO seemed more clear to me than the PR.
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in between the two, S&B. why? because a company should never answer <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">nunya</span></span> when a customer ask's where a part is outsourced from.
-Felipe
in between the two, S&B. why? because a company should never answer <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">nunya</span></span> when a customer ask's where a part is outsourced from.
-Felipe
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To me the glass is about the same. I like the bigger knobs on the PH and its a little more robust. The only complaint I have is my PH clicks are too close together. The S&B has a refined feel in the knobs and smaller profile.
To me the glass is about the same. I like the bigger knobs on the PH and its a little more robust. The only complaint I have is my PH clicks are too close together. The S&B has a refined feel in the knobs and smaller profile.
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At this level of optic quality, what does it matter if the glass is a little better? At that point, other features come into play. I would rather have a Hensoldt than anything else, mostly because it is so easy to get behind. But I could barely justify the '09 price of a Premier. I would strongly urge you to get behind a couple of these scopes yourself before making a purchase decision. Try out the turrets, the mag. ring and parallax correction, etc.
The other day I was comparing glass between my Premier, a Nightforce and the Super Sniper 3-9 (the last two probably get their glass from the same place in Japan). Aside from some fringing, either of those two were more than good enough. I guess some people really like to see absolutely vivid colors on the deer's hair before taking a shot.
At this level of optic quality, what does it matter if the glass is a little better? At that point, other features come into play. I would rather have a Hensoldt than anything else, mostly because it is so easy to get behind. But I could barely justify the '09 price of a Premier. I would strongly urge you to get behind a couple of these scopes yourself before making a purchase decision. Try out the turrets, the mag. ring and parallax correction, etc.
The other day I was comparing glass between my Premier, a Nightforce and the Super Sniper 3-9 (the last two probably get their glass from the same place in Japan). Aside from some fringing, either of those two were more than good enough. I guess some people really like to see absolutely vivid colors on the deer's hair before taking a shot.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Heck, my 58mm USO seemed more clear to me than the PR. </div></div>
You would be the only one to saying that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Heck, my 58mm USO seemed more clear to me than the PR. </div></div>
You would be the only one to saying that.
Re: PR vs. S&B
Just looking at the scopes themselves I would take my premiers every time. I love the turrets and the rheostat. Built like a tank and love the glass and reticle. Design wise I think it is the best out there but I've never seen a hensoldt. Does it have some bugs like the cold weather turret problem; it may very well but in Mobile AL I'm more worried about it melting than freezing and I'm sure they will make appropriate changes. That said I HATE the ring on the objective of the 3-15 and the proprietary cover; also needs paralax marks (supposedly already on the new ones). The downside is it is not proven like the SB or USO. I was also very disappointed with the price increase. I think they should have gotten a couple more years behind them then eased up on SB if that was their plan. I have bought 2 SBs in the last 6 months. If the price had not increased those would have been Premiers. If the company survives I believe they will tweak it to perfection. I think they hired Apples marketing people
Sb is well SB. Kind of hard to complain except price. Don't like the position of the rheostat. The p4 is a little cluttered. Don't like the finish. All of that is nitpicking to me.
JMO
Rad
Just looking at the scopes themselves I would take my premiers every time. I love the turrets and the rheostat. Built like a tank and love the glass and reticle. Design wise I think it is the best out there but I've never seen a hensoldt. Does it have some bugs like the cold weather turret problem; it may very well but in Mobile AL I'm more worried about it melting than freezing and I'm sure they will make appropriate changes. That said I HATE the ring on the objective of the 3-15 and the proprietary cover; also needs paralax marks (supposedly already on the new ones). The downside is it is not proven like the SB or USO. I was also very disappointed with the price increase. I think they should have gotten a couple more years behind them then eased up on SB if that was their plan. I have bought 2 SBs in the last 6 months. If the price had not increased those would have been Premiers. If the company survives I believe they will tweak it to perfection. I think they hired Apples marketing people
Sb is well SB. Kind of hard to complain except price. Don't like the position of the rheostat. The p4 is a little cluttered. Don't like the finish. All of that is nitpicking to me.
JMO
Rad
Re: PR vs. S&B
Impact has it spot on, excellent glass, great build quality, excellent features. Definitely on par with S&B, just slightly different features and cheaper.
Impact has it spot on, excellent glass, great build quality, excellent features. Definitely on par with S&B, just slightly different features and cheaper.
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Re: PR vs. S&B
I think schmidt and bender is the way to go, i'm also a hensoldt fan at this price range.
not knocking premier, i have no personal experience with there product, but i did get some reports of a floating zero from a customer. take it for what it is, just me being honest
I think schmidt and bender is the way to go, i'm also a hensoldt fan at this price range.
not knocking premier, i have no personal experience with there product, but i did get some reports of a floating zero from a customer. take it for what it is, just me being honest
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I had a 3-15 and have used a buddy's 5-25 and I think the Premier is a great scope. But if I am going to spend the same money, I prefer the Schmidt, although I dont think anything can be done with the Schmidt that cannot be done with the Premier.
I was in need of new glass for my LTR and didnt want to go with a huge 5-25x56. I just ordered a new Schmidt 4-16x42, single turn CCW .1mil with genII XL.
If the Premier was priced where it was when I bought my first one, I would likely buy it before any other ~$2K scope, but when you start pushing $3K, I trust Schmidt more.
I had a 3-15 and have used a buddy's 5-25 and I think the Premier is a great scope. But if I am going to spend the same money, I prefer the Schmidt, although I dont think anything can be done with the Schmidt that cannot be done with the Premier.
I was in need of new glass for my LTR and didnt want to go with a huge 5-25x56. I just ordered a new Schmidt 4-16x42, single turn CCW .1mil with genII XL.
If the Premier was priced where it was when I bought my first one, I would likely buy it before any other ~$2K scope, but when you start pushing $3K, I trust Schmidt more.
Re: PR vs. S&B
It's pretty poor form when you won't support your own countrymen. Premier make a solid product that's every bit as good as an S&B, backed by a lifetime warranty that's still around $500 cheaper than a comparable S&B. I see no down side in buying a premier, as the more that do the more your supporting your fellow Americans in such harsh financial times.
It's pretty poor form when you won't support your own countrymen. Premier make a solid product that's every bit as good as an S&B, backed by a lifetime warranty that's still around $500 cheaper than a comparable S&B. I see no down side in buying a premier, as the more that do the more your supporting your fellow Americans in such harsh financial times.
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Not $500 cheaper. I dont disagree with you about supporting your countrymen, assuming they are good folks. And by all accounts, PH are good folks.
I wont buy American cars anymore though.
Not $500 cheaper. I dont disagree with you about supporting your countrymen, assuming they are good folks. And by all accounts, PH are good folks.
I wont buy American cars anymore though.
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That is sad . enjoy your toyota . Sorry I didnt want to missdirect the thread any more but that is sad!
That is sad . enjoy your toyota . Sorry I didnt want to missdirect the thread any more but that is sad!
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I dont want to redirect the thread either, but the Left is the greatest threat our Constitution has faced, at least in my lifetime. The greatest supporter of the left=Unions.
Not a tough decision.
I dont want to redirect the thread either, but the Left is the greatest threat our Constitution has faced, at least in my lifetime. The greatest supporter of the left=Unions.
Not a tough decision.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wont buy American cars anymore though. </div></div>
A story on CBS radio this morning stated that J.D. Powers rated Lincoln and Buick at #2 and #3 in automobile dependability for 2010. Porsche was #1 and Toyota slipped from #3 last year to #5 this year. Go USA!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wont buy American cars anymore though. </div></div>
A story on CBS radio this morning stated that J.D. Powers rated Lincoln and Buick at #2 and #3 in automobile dependability for 2010. Porsche was #1 and Toyota slipped from #3 last year to #5 this year. Go USA!
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Jack, I am not arguing the quality. I think American made cars are made pretty well. I just cant get past what the unions force their members to do.
Scary what is going on in DC right now. But we arent supposed to talk politics, so I will bite my tongue.
Jack, I am not arguing the quality. I think American made cars are made pretty well. I just cant get past what the unions force their members to do.
Scary what is going on in DC right now. But we arent supposed to talk politics, so I will bite my tongue.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pongnukl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's pretty poor form when you won't support your own countrymen. Premier make a solid product that's every bit as good as an S&B, backed by a lifetime warranty that's still around $500 cheaper than a comparable S&B. I see no down side in buying a premier, as the more that do the more your supporting your fellow Americans in such harsh financial times. </div></div>
Every bit as good as an S&B? Really... You're comparing a scope that has known tracking issues, a parallax knob that you can't set across the elevation range, and knob issues to a scope that has been proven on military rifles all around the world.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pongnukl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's pretty poor form when you won't support your own countrymen. Premier make a solid product that's every bit as good as an S&B, backed by a lifetime warranty that's still around $500 cheaper than a comparable S&B. I see no down side in buying a premier, as the more that do the more your supporting your fellow Americans in such harsh financial times. </div></div>
Every bit as good as an S&B? Really... You're comparing a scope that has known tracking issues, a parallax knob that you can't set across the elevation range, and knob issues to a scope that has been proven on military rifles all around the world.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight....
Re: PR vs. S&B
S&B are decent. Over rated I would say.
Have not been impressed with eye relief, and when It comes to reticle design they are pretty plain jane.
And also when it comes to picking a scope so close in clarity how do you really determine which is better? I know a lot of people will just go S&B ALL THE WAY!(S&B Snobs)...Well...How can you prove which scope is clearer than the other?
Personal preference...Just saying
And yes you are splitting very fine hairs.
GG
S&B are decent. Over rated I would say.
Have not been impressed with eye relief, and when It comes to reticle design they are pretty plain jane.
And also when it comes to picking a scope so close in clarity how do you really determine which is better? I know a lot of people will just go S&B ALL THE WAY!(S&B Snobs)...Well...How can you prove which scope is clearer than the other?
Personal preference...Just saying
And yes you are splitting very fine hairs.
GG
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How clear a scope is has nothing to do to me or most people who actually abuse the fuck out of a scope. I could give 2 flyin fucks how clear one is over the other. I want a scope that tracks true, doesnt change POI when you crank up the magnification, that doesnt have a zero that wonders(not a small percentage) and has a fucked up parralax system. I dont like either the SB or the Premier, but given the 2 scopes in front of me, you could not pay me to take a Premier.
How clear a scope is has nothing to do to me or most people who actually abuse the fuck out of a scope. I could give 2 flyin fucks how clear one is over the other. I want a scope that tracks true, doesnt change POI when you crank up the magnification, that doesnt have a zero that wonders(not a small percentage) and has a fucked up parralax system. I dont like either the SB or the Premier, but given the 2 scopes in front of me, you could not pay me to take a Premier.
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I do care how clear they are, but IMO, once you get about as clear as a MKIV, they are all plenty good for me.
ETA- Deadly, why do you not like S&B?
I do care how clear they are, but IMO, once you get about as clear as a MKIV, they are all plenty good for me.
ETA- Deadly, why do you not like S&B?
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Hydro you are correct, i was merely saying in this level of optics one being clearer over the other makes absolutely no difference to me. Now if it were as clear as muddy water that would be a different story.
Hydro you are correct, i was merely saying in this level of optics one being clearer over the other makes absolutely no difference to me. Now if it were as clear as muddy water that would be a different story.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hydro you are correct, i was merely saying in this level of optics one being clearer over the other makes absolutely no difference to me. Now if it were as clear as muddy water that would be a different story. </div></div>
About the time I hit submit, I figured that was what you meant. But it was too late. LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hydro you are correct, i was merely saying in this level of optics one being clearer over the other makes absolutely no difference to me. Now if it were as clear as muddy water that would be a different story. </div></div>
About the time I hit submit, I figured that was what you meant. But it was too late. LOL
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunGuru727</div><div class="ubbcode-body">S&B are decent. Over rated I would say.
Have not been impressed with eye relief, and when It comes to reticle design they are pretty plain jane.
And also when it comes to picking a scope so close in clarity how do you really determine which is better? I know a lot of people will just go S&B ALL THE WAY!(S&B Snobs)...Well...How can you prove which scope is clearer than the other?
Personal preference...Just saying
And yes you are splitting very fine hairs.
GG </div></div>
Plain Jane reticle designs???? P3,P4,P4 fine,MD,Gen 2 MD,Gen 2 MD XL,GEN 2 XR what more do you want.Having had both I prefer the S&B.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunGuru727</div><div class="ubbcode-body">S&B are decent. Over rated I would say.
Have not been impressed with eye relief, and when It comes to reticle design they are pretty plain jane.
And also when it comes to picking a scope so close in clarity how do you really determine which is better? I know a lot of people will just go S&B ALL THE WAY!(S&B Snobs)...Well...How can you prove which scope is clearer than the other?
Personal preference...Just saying
And yes you are splitting very fine hairs.
GG </div></div>
Plain Jane reticle designs???? P3,P4,P4 fine,MD,Gen 2 MD,Gen 2 MD XL,GEN 2 XR what more do you want.Having had both I prefer the S&B.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunGuru727</div><div class="ubbcode-body">S&B are decent. Over rated I would say.
Have not been impressed with eye relief, and when It comes to reticle design they are pretty plain jane.
And also when it comes to picking a scope so close in clarity how do you really determine which is better? I know a lot of people will just go S&B ALL THE WAY!(S&B Snobs)...Well...How can you prove which scope is clearer than the other?
Personal preference...Just saying
And yes you are splitting very fine hairs.
GG </div></div>
Plain Jane reticle designs???? P3,P4,P4 fine,MD,Gen 2 MD,Gen 2 MD XL,GEN 2 XR what more do you want.Having had both I prefer the S&B.</div></div>
Thanks for listing all the reticles.....
Personal preference
Just saying
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunGuru727</div><div class="ubbcode-body">S&B are decent. Over rated I would say.
Have not been impressed with eye relief, and when It comes to reticle design they are pretty plain jane.
And also when it comes to picking a scope so close in clarity how do you really determine which is better? I know a lot of people will just go S&B ALL THE WAY!(S&B Snobs)...Well...How can you prove which scope is clearer than the other?
Personal preference...Just saying
And yes you are splitting very fine hairs.
GG </div></div>
Plain Jane reticle designs???? P3,P4,P4 fine,MD,Gen 2 MD,Gen 2 MD XL,GEN 2 XR what more do you want.Having had both I prefer the S&B.</div></div>
Thanks for listing all the reticles.....
Personal preference
Just saying
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Gun Guru, the SB has far more reticle choices than the Premier....with Premier, you get 2 choices...the Gen 2 Mildot and the Gen2XR
Gun Guru, the SB has far more reticle choices than the Premier....with Premier, you get 2 choices...the Gen 2 Mildot and the Gen2XR
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gun Guru, the SB has far more reticle choices than the Premier....with Premier, you get 2 choices...the Gen 2 Mildot and the Gen2XR</div></div>
I understand that, I just prefer the Gen2XR over all S&B's reticles.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gun Guru, the SB has far more reticle choices than the Premier....with Premier, you get 2 choices...the Gen 2 Mildot and the Gen2XR</div></div>
I understand that, I just prefer the Gen2XR over all S&B's reticles.
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GG I respect your opinon I was just looking for clarification on the plain Jane reticle statement. I dont see any scope maker with more mil based reticle option.I was hoping you could shed some light.
GG I respect your opinon I was just looking for clarification on the plain Jane reticle statement. I dont see any scope maker with more mil based reticle option.I was hoping you could shed some light.
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I got the GenII XL on the Schmidt 4-16x42 I am waiting on right now.
Not that it really matters, because I range with an LRF, but I do like the simplicity of the GenII XL. I only use reticles to adjust on misses (very rare, LOL) so it is not a big deal to me either way.
I got the GenII XL on the Schmidt 4-16x42 I am waiting on right now.
Not that it really matters, because I range with an LRF, but I do like the simplicity of the GenII XL. I only use reticles to adjust on misses (very rare, LOL) so it is not a big deal to me either way.
Re: PR vs. S&B
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GG I respect your opinon I was just looking for clarification on the plain Jane reticle statement. I dont see any scope maker with more mil based reticle option.I was hoping you could shed some light.</div></div>
Yes, S&B does offers a few mil based reticles. I just really like the holdovers on the Gen2XR. Not saying its a must but preferred.
I think they both make great scopes. Just turned off by the selection.
GG
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GG I respect your opinon I was just looking for clarification on the plain Jane reticle statement. I dont see any scope maker with more mil based reticle option.I was hoping you could shed some light.</div></div>
Yes, S&B does offers a few mil based reticles. I just really like the holdovers on the Gen2XR. Not saying its a must but preferred.
I think they both make great scopes. Just turned off by the selection.
GG
Re: PR vs. S&B
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!
Re: PR vs. S&B
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!</div></div>
I concur, but I don't mind the parallex markings I just made my own.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!</div></div>
I concur, but I don't mind the parallex markings I just made my own.
Re: PR vs. S&B
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MTETM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!</div></div>
I concur, but I don't mind the parallex markings I just made my own. </div></div>
Pictures please
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MTETM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!</div></div>
I concur, but I don't mind the parallex markings I just made my own. </div></div>
Pictures please
Re: PR vs. S&B
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!</div></div>
Agreed.
It just seems to me that some people think S&Bs are the end all be all somtime also.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!</div></div>
Agreed.
It just seems to me that some people think S&Bs are the end all be all somtime also.
Re: PR vs. S&B
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MTETM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!</div></div>
I concur, but I don't mind the parallex markings I just made my own. </div></div>
Pictures please</div></div>
Chiller,
I will get pictures tomorrow for you. I just made a reference mark with a silver sharpie (paint pen)on the scope body and then marked parellex distance on the knob.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MTETM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can get S&Bs with the Gen 2 xr. </div></div>
Those are 1300 more than I paid for my PR, there are 3 of us who own 5-25 PR's, none of the 3 wonders with magnification changes, all 3 track perfectly, yes we checked, the paralex works, but all 3 of us dislike the lack of marking, which the new ones have. I really find it distasteful all the bashing that PR has received, then throw in that fuck stick writer posting on BARFCOM that they closed there doors, which was'nt true, PR is not a perfect, Chris is not perfect, but he employs Americans who need there jobs, knock it off!</div></div>
I concur, but I don't mind the parallex markings I just made my own. </div></div>
Pictures please</div></div>
Chiller,
I will get pictures tomorrow for you. I just made a reference mark with a silver sharpie (paint pen)on the scope body and then marked parellex distance on the knob.
