Precision Rifle Parts Help

[Fo0]

I am new here and This will be my first bolt action rifle.

I bought a Magpul Hunter 700 Stock then I saw a few posts about people having problems with the stock flexing, touching the barrel in some cases. I guess this can cause a problem with accuracy. I paid 189.99 for the stock then realized it is for "Hunter" and I would like to be more towards "precision". The bolt on magwell was a plus as well which I already bought. Is it worth the trouble and money to change or will this work in my case?

How big of a difference would I see with a Defiance Action vs a Pacific Tool and Gauge Trued and Blue Printed Remington Action? will i see an improvement worth the price of $1,330 vs $700

All the retail sites I checked before I bought the stock left good reviews. I guess Bedding the stock is an option for me. Anyone have any past experience they can share that will help. Thank You

 

[patriot07]

Anything that touches the barrel during shooting is likely to have a negative impact on accuracy.

I'd heavily consider a factory Tikka action before either of the ones you mention. It will likely shoot better than you can and cost much less than your other choices.

Do you already have a barrel for your rig? If so, you may be stuck with the 700 footprint. If not, you can save significant money and still get all the performance you need.

 

[SuperSneakySniper]

You won't see much of an accuracy difference between the Defiance, or a Trued 700 action. As long as the barrel is of quality, and installed correctly, the difference in accuracy is negligible. As the guy above me said, a Tikka is also a great option, but which action comes down to personal preference. I started on a Tikka, I use 700 customs now, but I still own a Tikka.

I wouldn't bed that stock, it wouldn't be worth the effort in my opinion, unless you really like it. I would try to return or sell it in favor of a KRG Bravo stock. It's only a small bump in price, but you get a stock that's better suited for precision/tactical use, and there's no flex thanks to the full aluminum backbone from the grip all the way to the front end.

They make the Bravo for Tikkas and Remington 700s so you can go either route. If you do the Tikka route, I'd get a Tikka CTR (in yourchoice of caliber and barrel length), drop it in a KRG Bravo, and BAM you're good to go! Excellent budget build that gives up next to nothing compared to the more expensive options.
If you go the 700 route, go with whatever fits your budget. A PTG trued action is nice, but at $700 there are options that I'd look more closely at, actions like: The Bighorn Origin, the Defiance Tenacity, Stiller has some options, the much anticipated American Rifle Company Nucleus isn't far off from that price either, but it will be hard to get some of these for a while :/

What's your budget? What parts do you already have? Do you mind waiting for parts you want, or are you in a hurry to get out there and start shooting? Etc...

 

[NateVA]

Pretty much what he said^

If you were willing to pay the price of the Defiance I think there are other options in that price range, such as an Impact Precision action or Bighorn TL3. But more importantly, there are actions in between those two price points that probably offer more features. Such as the Bighorn Origin and ARC Nucleus. What is your budget and what is your specific intended use for this rifle?

 

[spife7980]

I have one of the "buleprinted" ptg rem actions that was fitted with a ptg bolt that went on sale at 400 bucks awhile back. For 400 I think it is great: it got me one piece bolt that doesnt have the factory primary extraction issues with a mini m16 extractor for the price of a donor factory rifle that gets stripped down for the action. So I cant complain there. Still needs to ditch the trigger and it doesnt have a side bolt release so I cant use a triggertech diamond that Im lusting after.

But I wouldnt have spent 700 on it. Not to mention that they have disclaimers on their website saying that they might not even actually have the actions and are waiting on remington. I sure wouldnt order one straight from ptg right now, you may never see it and have to pay a restocking fee to boot for the opportunity to be disappointed. Actually, looking at them now they say zero refunds.

Look into the bighorn orgin or a arc mausingfield if youre shopping bare actions and not to mention the defiance tenacity thats coming soon too. Granted none of these will be there for you to grab off the shelf today, there will be a couple months wait to get your hands on one.

And the tikka option would be nice as well. Heck, sell or return the stock and get a RPR or HCR and not worry about any of the assembly jazz.

 

[Fo0]

I put $100 down for the Big Horn Origin. Is the Defiance Tenacity going to be better?

 

[BroncoMustang]

Have you purchased a trigger yet? If not I would recommend watching a video on YouTube by TiborasaurusRex entitled "Extreme Duty - Huber two-stage trigger for Remington 700." It is very informative, and Rex concludes that it is his favorite custom trigger. I hope that this helps you out.

 

[flyer]

I put $100 down for the Big Horn Origin. Is the Defiance Tenacity going to be better?

I'm biased, I ordered an ARC Nucleus, I think it will be the best under $1,000 and better than a lot over $1,000. The Origin looks like it is going to be the lowest price, still very solid. The Tenacity might be the first one to ship and also looks very solid.

All of them should work very well, it's just a matter of which bells and whistles you want and how long you have to wait.

 

[Fo0]

I'm biased, I ordered an ARC Nucleus, I think it will be the best under $1,000 and better than a lot over $1,000. The Origin looks like it is going to be the lowest price, still very solid. The Tenacity might be the first one to ship and also looks very solid.

All of them should work very well, it's just a matter of which bells and whistles you want and how long you have to wait.

How much did the ARC Nucleus cost, when I looked it said $1000

 

[flyer]

The pre-order price was $850 with a $250 deposit and they offered a $50 Barloc special. I ordered three Barlocs so I'll be out the door for $1,000.

Before the Nucleus, it looked like the Mausingfield was one of the most expensive custom actions at $1,600. There were several in the $1,200 range and there was one I heard about in the $900 range. I think there might be more in the under $1,000 range but I didn't hear much about them.

I heard about Mausingfield, Bat, Surgeon, Defiance and Bighorn mostly.

They all looked really nice but in comparison to a trued Remington, the value proposition wasn't great. I didn't get a trued Remington either because when I looked they seemed to be part of getting a custom rifle put together by a gunsmith with all of the associated labor and parts markups.

At the time my budget, interest in long range shooting and not wanting to pay a gunsmith to do the fun stuff kept me from buying.

Now a Nucleus with Barloc can take a pre-fit barrel with just an Allen wrench, it can be screwed in to a chassis that doesn't need bedding, just add trigger and optics.

The lead times on high end parts is a pain in the butt but I'll be getting a lot more rifle for my money than if I had bought a custom a year ago.

 

[Threadcutter308]

I have one of the "buleprinted" ptg rem actions that was fitted with a ptg bolt that went on sale at 400 bucks awhile back. For 400 I think it is great: it got me one piece bolt that doesnt have the factory primary extraction issues with a mini m16 extractor for the price of a donor factory rifle that gets stripped down for the action. So I cant complain there. Still needs to ditch the trigger and it doesnt have a side bolt release so I cant use a triggertech diamond that Im lusting after.
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But I wouldnt have spent 700 on it. Not to mention that they have disclaimers on their website saying that they might not even actually have the actions and are waiting on remington. I sure wouldnt order one straight from ptg right now, you may never see it and have to pay a restocking fee to boot for the opportunity to be disappointed. Actually, looking at them now they say zero refunds.
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Look into the bighorn orgin or a arc mausingfield if youre shopping bare actions and not to mention the defiance tenacity thats coming soon too. Granted none of these will be there for you to grab off the shelf today, there will be a couple months wait to get your hands on one.

And the tikka option would be nice as well. Heck, sell or return the stock and get a RPR or HCR and not worry about any of the assembly jazz.

Very good advice from Spife......I will take it one step further and state that I'm done w/PTG, on all accounts.

On the subject of Bighorn; I have multiple TL2's (bought 'em about a year before the TL3's became available) and the design, machining, craftsmanship and finish are superb. I just sent the TL2's back to Bighorn to be DLC'd and they have always just been super to work with.

How long do you intend to keep the rifle ? If it's going to be a long term hold, spend the extra money and get something along the lines of Bighorn or Defiance. There are a lot of great action manufacturers out there, so spend a little extra and buy something you aren't going to turn around and sell in two years because it turned out to be less than what you really wanted.

 

[Fo0]

Is the Vortex Viper PST Illuminated 6-24x50mm worth $569.99 closeout price or the newer Vortex Viper HS-T 6-24x50mm for $65 more - non-illuminated?

 

[SuperSneakySniper]

Is the Vortex Viper PST Illuminated 6-24x50mm worth $569.99 closeout price or the newer Vortex Viper HS-T 6-24x50mm for $65 more - non-illuminated?

I (as well as many others) would highly suggest that if you want to use the rifle for "tactical/practical" uses, you try to get yourself a first focal plane (FFP) scope.

The Vortex Viper PSTs have fist focal plane, and second focal plane versions, I believe both of those scopes you listed are second focal plane.
You pay more for first focal plane version but I've found it's definitely worth it.

If you are unclear as to what I'm talking about, try a quick youtube search on "first vs second focal plane scopes", I feel a video would best be able to explain the differences with graphics and such.

If you only plan to do hunting, or informal shooting for fun, then second focal plane would work just as good. Some people use them with great success in rifle matches as well, but at those matches, most people use, and would suggest using, a FFP scope.

As far as the scopes themselves go, yes those are great scopes!

My first suggestion, given that you're looking for scopes in the $500 range, take a close look at the Athlon Helos BTR FFP scope. It's in the price range, it's got all the features you need in a tactical scope, and Athlon makes great stuff!
I have no personal experience with that scope, but I've owned two different Athlon Scopes before and I liked both of em'.

Other suggestions include:
Primary Arms FFP 4-14 (about $230)
Athlon Argos FFP (around $350)
Vortex Viper PST FFP ($800-1000)
Burris XTR 2 FFP ($800-1000)

I've found these scopes to e great value, they have great glass, and have never failed me. The more expensive ones in the list may be tougher, and they have more features in them (zero stops, more adjustment, slightly better glass, etc...), but all of them do the job.

If you have more money to spend, take a look at the Vortex PST Gen 2 and the Athlon Cronus scopes.