Rifle Scopes Premier Heritage or USO?

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#1
I had the privledge of looking through the Premier scope and holy crap! Very nice glass. I had the chance to look through a 30mm USO SN-3 and the glass seemed no better than my Nightforce, but the USO has all the features I want. My question is this: "Is the 34mm tubed USO any better glass quality than the 30mm version?

I liked the Premier's turrets better than the USO's, and the glass. I called Premier and they said they could not do an MOA reticle! Does anyone else find that ironic? This scope is going on a DTA tactical competion rifle.

USO or Premier?
 
#2
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

Glass is glass. Go for the scope that has the features you want. They're all great glass. You say that the USO is "no better" than your NF, but NF glass is awesome to me. Do you really think that extra precieved clarity will give you the ultimate edge?
 
#5
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joeyhotfizzle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Check this thread out.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...rue#Post1249304

Also an easier search engine: http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=010955838166721108978%3Aqcbx5qqy10o&hl=en </div></div>

Thank you for the link. Tony's writeup was informative. I like moa to moa. I don't think I can switch to mil to mil. So I'm stuck trading optic quality for a reticle. I don't know. Moa ranging is so much quicker for me personnally.
 
#7
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Glass is glass. Go for the scope that has the features you want. They're all great glass. You say that the USO is "no better" than your NF, but NF glass is awesome to me. Do you really think that extra precieved clarity will give you the ultimate edge? </div></div>

Not really, I never should have looked through that Heritage! The Nightforce has all the necessary competion features but the USO and the Heritage have everything else. I guess I'm just looking for the next level and trying to make the right step. The turrets on both of these scopes are very nice.
 
#8
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I find the glass in Schmidt, USO, and Premier to all be awesome and in no way would it sway my decision in a scope purchase. JMO. I have had them all and think they are all great. </div></div>.

They ARE all great, but if you had to rate them in order from best glass down would you have a 1, 2, 3? You apparently settled on one right?
 
#9
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

If you have to have moa/moa, then the choice is already made. USO will not let you down. They have the best Customer Service of any optics compnay that I have seen, and they make one hell of a product. You couldnt give your business to a better company.
 
#10
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I find the glass in Schmidt, USO, and Premier to all be awesome and in no way would it sway my decision in a scope purchase. JMO. I have had them all and think they are all great. </div></div>.

They ARE all great, but if you had to rate them in order from best glass down would you have a 1, 2, 3? You apparently settled on one right? </div></div>

I would,

1: Good Enough
2: Good Enough
3: Good Enough
 
#11
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I find the glass in Schmidt, USO, and Premier to all be awesome and in no way would it sway my decision in a scope purchase. JMO. I have had them all and think they are all great. </div></div>.

They ARE all great, but if you had to rate them in order from best glass down would you have a 1, 2, 3? You apparently settled on one right? </div></div>

I would,

1: Good Enough
2: Good Enough
3: Good Enough </div></div>

Agreed
 
#14
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

No, but far to often people ignore the important stuff in the quest to say they have the "best" glass out there, all the while judging the "best" on what other peoples peepers say.

I have had a lot of nice scopes, and a few budget ones, and to me, the difference between the glass is minute. I've had $800 scopes where I could see my hits at 1K just as good as with a S&B, NF, or USO... Tracking, reticle choices, turret adjustments are what's important...

My point is, the glass is all good, move along to more important stuff...

 
#15
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

Hell, IOR has better glass than most, but that doesnt make their scope better than the rest, or put it on my list of scopes that I would spend my hard earned cash on.
 
#16
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

I agree with JRose. Don't overthink it. I would only use the glass as a tiebreaker between the scopes you listed if all else were equal. Get the USO if you need MOA. I have a USO and a Premier. I shoot them both and have never found myself wishing I had the other scope.

Sure, the Premier has better glass but once you start focusing on a shot through your USO that goes away and it's all about the fundamentals.
 
#17
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

What was the obj size of the USO? probably 44mm and it is not quite as bright as the 50mm Premier. If you go with the Premier than I will sell you mine.
 
#19
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: field</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What was the obj size of the USO? probably 44mm and it is not quite as bright as the 50mm Premier. If you go with the Premier than I will sell you mine. </div></div>

+1 to that! Compare a 58mm USO to the 56mm Premier, then you may have a fair comparison.
 
#21
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All my USO's are 58mm, don't be scared... </div></div>

Mine too!
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#22
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">USO will not let you down. They have the best Customer Service of any optics compnay that I have seen, and they make one hell of a product. You couldnt give your business to a better company. </div></div>

Here's just a small example of their customer service:

I was sighting in the scope and rifle I won a couple of weekends ago and one of the guys helping me mentioned there's a second dust cover that should be used that completely seals the top of my EREK knob once I'm done setting up my zero using the one that came with it. (Has holes in it so you can get to the adjustment screws.)

So I gave USO a call about 20 minutes ago. A very friendly and professional lady named Becky answered the phone immeditly and I asked her about the dust cover. Long before I was able to ask anything else she said they would be more than happy to send me the dust cover free of charge and asked if there was anything else I needed like instructions, etc.

No hassle, no message machine, no worries, very friendly, and professional. I wouldn't hesitate to do bussiness with this company, buy with confidence.

-Pat
 
#26
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

So many choices!

I bought a USO SN3 3.2-17 Ergo and ran it on my rifle for more than a year. I loved the scope. Build to withstand hard use and abuse. The EREK setup is easy to use and the clicks are clear and distinct. It was easy to focus and it tracked and held zero flawlessly. I found the glass to be superb. My scope was MOA/MOA--I've used and trained MOA in LE courses and applications without a complaint.

I ended up selling the USO to an envious close friend (under substantial pressure) and took advantage of the chance to buy a PH 3-15X50 with Gen2XR. The PH appears to be rugged and well built. After only a few weeks I've found myself really liking Mil/Mil--easy transition from MOA. The PH takes the edge in glass by a bit but both USO and PH are outstanding in my subjective view. The PH controls are really cool--I like the slide out reostat/illumination. The cam locking rezero feature is innovative, works really well in the field, and a big improvement, in my mind. I'm trying to get use to the close and slightly fine elevation clicks (I was spoiled by the USO EREK) and I'm hoping that fix offered by PH solves the minor issue.

The Gen2XR really improved my ability to "precision shoot" consistently--it is a really fine (read thin) reticle as compared to the MOA Scale Type 1 I had on the USO. I have found it very usable for ranging and I'm still experimenting with the reticle for holdover and windage leads, but, I like it a lot!

I'd be happy to have my USO back, but, I am blown away by the PH's quality and clarity of glass. They both are outstanding--you can't go wrong.

If I were you, I'd look into Mil/Mil a bit before jumping off.
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I hope this helps you some.
 
#27
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

I shoot often with a teammate. He uses moa/moa too. The ranging was fast at comps. A different friend of mine has the PH, I found it difficult to give him corrections in mils when spotting for him. I'm sure with training I would get used to it but I think I would have to sell it to my teammate to switch.
 
#29
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personnally I think the only thing I didn't like on the Premier was the reticle options, seems weird that a reticle company couldn't switch with moa. I think I will have to go USO.</div></div>

It just so happens that we have an MOA reticle on the drawing board right now. I'll post some renditions in the coming days.

Chris
 
#31
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...AND

You change your click values (0.1mrad to 1/4 moa) by swapping the dials. </div></div>

Now there's a smart idea!!
 
#32
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...AND

You change your click values (0.1mrad to 1/4 moa) by swapping the dials. </div></div>

How? They adjust differently???

Interesting.
 
#34
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...AND

You change your click values (0.1mrad to 1/4 moa) by swapping the dials. </div></div>

How? They adjust differently???

Interesting. </div></div>
I will venture a guess that the detent ring is part of the knob rather than part of the turret. Of course this would mean you might wind up with a pretty odd total adjustment value, per revolution.
 
#35
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rafael</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...AND

You change your click values (0.1mrad to 1/4 moa) by swapping the dials. </div></div>

How? They adjust differently???

Interesting. </div></div>
I will venture a guess that the detent ring is part of the knob rather than part of the turret. Of course this would mean you might wind up with a pretty odd total adjustment value, per revolution.</div></div>

You got it! But instead of 15mils/rev @ 0.1mrad you'll get 51.57moa with 1/4 moa. Shouldn't be a biggie when you don't have to count revolutions.
 
#36
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too bad John Unertl, Jr. is gone and cannot refute clones. </div></div>

***and out from left field comes a John Unertl comment...***
 
#37
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rafael</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...AND

You change your click values (0.1mrad to 1/4 moa) by swapping the dials. </div></div>

How? They adjust differently???

Interesting. </div></div>
I will venture a guess that the detent ring is part of the knob rather than part of the turret. Of course this would mean you might wind up with a pretty odd total adjustment value, per revolution.</div></div>

You got it! But instead of 15mils/rev @ 0.1mrad you'll get 51.57moa with 1/4 moa. Shouldn't be a biggie when you don't have to count revolutions. </div></div>

Now that's forward thinking....
 
#38
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wanted to add emphasis by cloning my response. </div></div>

Who cloned what?
 
#40
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personnally I think the only thing I didn't like on the Premier was the reticle options, seems weird that a reticle company couldn't switch with moa. I think I will have to go USO.</div></div>

It just so happens that we have an MOA reticle on the drawing board right now. I'll post some renditions in the coming days.

Chris </div></div>

If you'll have it out by the end of the year id glady be the first customer! The reticle is the only deal breaker for me for the PH. I would glady wait. The 1moa reticle increments are nice in the NF, what would be even better would be lines at the outskirts of the reticle (so the center isn't cluttered) in .5moa spacing for even finer ranging measurements. The scope I decide on is going on a DTA SRS competion/LR hunting rifle, the PH would be perfect for a switch barrel rifle.


Rob. The NF is nice I have one currently but I wanted more moa per revolution. 50+ is going to be nice.
 
#43
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personnally I think the only thing I didn't like on the Premier was the reticle options, seems weird that a reticle company couldn't switch with moa. I think I will have to go USO.</div></div>

It just so happens that we have an MOA reticle on the drawing board right now. I'll post some renditions in the coming days.

Chris </div></div>

Any projected ETA on that MOA reticle?
 
#44
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

Both scopes are good to go. I own both, 2 USO and 1 Premier. I personally like the GAP recticle over the gen2 XR. Glass is slightly better on the Premier over the USO, and overall value would go to Premier if you knew where to buy them (Scott @ Liberty is the man). T-pal is slightly more convenient over the ERGO, but is much more costly. Overall, your pulling hair if you really want to compare these two scopes. If I had to sell a scope off, It would be a hard decision for me to let anyone of them go.
 
#45
Re: Premier Heritage or USO?

I'm mentally wrestling with whether I love my Premier 5-25 or if I may toss it out there to see if I can trade someone for a USO 3.8-22 34mm tube....I like the Premier, but kind of miss the USO.
I think my SN3 I had was a little more forgiving on eye position, plus the jury in my mind is still out on the mil/mil vs moa/moa. I loved USO's IPHY/IPHY for ranging, but mil/mil is growing on me.
 
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