Primal rights cps

[Mj30wilson900]

Curious if anyone has any primal rights cps for sale since the Hornady versa prime was announced?
What makes you want to switch or stay with the primal rights unit?

 

[Herb Stoner]

Why would I sell a CPS just to buy a cheap knock-off?

 

[Mj30wilson900]

Why would I sell a CPS just to buy a cheap knock-off?

I agree just wondering who is jumping ship if anyone?

 

[memilanuk]

That's got to be one of the dumber questions of the day, even for the 'Hide.

WTF would someone jump ship, from the original to a f'ing knock-off?

 

[mmlook]

the only thing that made me stop using my CPS, was a Dillon 1100 and 1050

 

[Mj30wilson900]

I figured most would not switch but is anyone going to buy the Hornady over primal rights. Yes it is a knock off but it is $400 cheaper at $299 msrp. The extra money could be put into components.
The question could be asked is the primal rights that much better then the Hornady marketing hype and versa prime?
Dumb question or not is the primal rights feature set better than the Hornady versa prime?

 

[wcberry]

Your first question was would someone sell to buy the the Hornady. No.
If one already has the Primal, why would they go through the hassle of selling it and buyer something that does the same thing just to switch? There would not be any money to buy components doing this.
If someone does not have a Primal, then I would image folks will definelty look at the Hornady.

 

[Mj30wilson900]

Your first question was would someone sell to buy the the Hornady. No.
If one already has the Primal, why would they go through the hassle of selling it and buyer something that does the same thing just to switch? There would not be any money to buy components doing this.
If someone does not have a Primal, then I would image folks will definelty look at the Hornady.

All has to do with money I guess. Could sell primal and put extra on components but it would be more hassle I agree. For those who bought the primal early they probably could sell it for a profit right now.
Do you think this will have a big impact on the primal rights sales?
Do you think primal rights will look to lower the cost of the unit?

 

[wcberry]

Who would buy a used Primal for $300 or more when you could buy the knock off new for that money? Point being, the seller of a Primal could not sell it for enough to buy a Hormnady and have money left for any components. Just look at the Lab Radar when Garmin came on the market. You practically had to give them away.

 

[kthomas]

My CPS is arguably my favorite reloading tool.

Not sure what I would gain from selling a CPS to get a Hornady...

 

[Maurygold]

The pcps would be a better buy than the hornady. It’s a badass unit (I’m a cps owner)

 

[Mj30wilson900]

Who would buy a used Primal for $300 or more when you could buy the knock off new for that money? Point being, the seller of a Primal could not sell it for enough to buy a Hormnady and have money left for any components. Just look at the Lab Radar when Garmin came on the market. You practically had to give them away.

Just saying those who bought a primal for 5-600 can sell it for $650 and buy a Hornady for $250 and put the rest on components.

 

[Herb Stoner]

Just saying those who bought a primal for 5-600 can sell it for $650 and buy a Hornady for $250 and put the rest on components.

Arguing over a few hundred bucks in this sport is comedy.

 

[MO Fugga]

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Arguing over a few hundred bucks in this sport is comedy.

Hell, $1k is splitting hairs with some of y'all.

 

[Mj30wilson900]

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Arguing over a few hundred bucks in this sport is comedy.

Yea that’s true enough

 

[Mike Casselton]

Who would buy a used Primal for $300 or more when you could buy the knock off new for that money? Point being, the seller of a Primal could not sell it for enough to buy a Hormnady and have money left for any components. Just look at the Lab Radar when Garmin came on the market. You practically had to give them away.

This isn't electronics.
Used Primal units so for very close to new prices

 

[marchboom]

Why anyone is using an adjustable primer seater is beyond me. Can anyone show me ANY evidence that these devices make ammo more accurate? Anyone?

Primers are to be seated until they bottom out in the primer pocket. That's how the primer manufacturers design them. Save your money and just get a primer seater that seats primers the way the manufacturers want them. Them spend your extra money on components.

 

[Baron23]

Why anyone is using an adjustable primer seater is beyond me. Can anyone show me ANY evidence that these devices make ammo more accurate? Anyone?

Primers are to be seated until they bottom out in the primer pocket. That's how the primer manufacturers design them. Save your money and just get a primer seater that seats primers the way the manufacturers want them. Them spend your extra money on components.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you are missing the point about repeatable primer crush with adjustable hard stop like CPS and a few others.

Of course the issue of varying rim thickness for tools that indicate off of the top of the primer can be an issue for the seriously OCD...but, there have been posts in this site where people did test different degrees of crush and did (if I remember correctly) find ES/SD variations from doing so.

I've been interested in the Lyman auto-feed primer because its adjustable stop indicates from the bottom of the rim and if your pockets are uniform this should give you the same degree of crush every time.

But its out of stock everywhere (and I wonder if that's indicative of an issue with the design) and I have seen references to people not being able to get the primer below flush due to the shell holder's hole being too small for the primer tool's ram. I understand that some shell holders (Hornady for example) have larger holes and work with the Lyman.

Cheers

 

[Edsel]

So this is the primer tool Hornady's making a copy of?

 

[Baron23]

So this is the primer tool Hornady's making a copy of?

I'll say it again....yeah, its bench mounted, its square, it has a lever, and it seats primers.....THAT is the similarity.

IMO, people saying that they are ripping off the CPS just seem have to have something about Hornady to whine about.

 

[ma smith]

Its like looking at a revolver and a glock and bitching about it

 

[marchboom]

Primer "crush". Why would you want to crush the primer any amount? If so, how much is too much? Do the primer manufacturers recommend crushing a primer? Do winning benchrest shooters "crush" their primers?

 

[straightshooter1]

Primer "crush". Why would you want to crush the primer any amount? If so, how much is too much? Do the primer manufacturers recommend crushing a primer? Do winning benchrest shooters "crush" their primers?

lol . . . "crush" is a word that simply doesn't explain what one is trying to explain. I really is a poor word to use as some people will here that and have a very exaggerated mental image of what that is.

It's a little easier to understand if one says something like ".003 crush" or "006 crush" as it at least gives some idea of what one is trying to do. It really has to do with pushing the anvil into the cup and making its interaction with the primer compound more consistent when the firing pin strikes the primer. It's not about "crushing" the primer's cup itself, it's about the anvil.

And yes, primer manufacturers do recommend a crush when seating primers. Though I don't think they recommend how far (but I feel like I have heard they suggest .003"???).

And yes, benchrest shooters to "crush" their primers. . . AND, they're very particular about the strength of their firing pin spring and how consistent it stays.