Primal rights cps

How tight are we torquing our barrels to this week?

Oh, wrong section, wrong thread.
You know where I stand on that one. :)

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Right. And here I was going to send him one of these to test, but he clearly has it all worked out—I mean, if you can shoot 0s using the firing pin to seat primers, God bless him. He clearly doesn't need any addition refinements. :)

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Is that Derraco primer system? Is it any good? Was just looking at it, seems cheaper then the Hornadys one, however I am not sure of the priming speed and functionality of the Derracos. Any first hand recommendations?
 
...and the variance between the primers in each respective box is just as prevalent.

So one seats that 0.118" CCI three thou below flush in a 0.121" pocket and think they are at touch...until the next one is 0.115" from the same box and the firing pin is shoving shit forward (thereby decelerating and dicking up the timing)...sometimes.

"Sometimes" and "Might" are not things I would want in my ammo boxes. :)
So if there's .003 variation in the same box are you measuring each primer and adjusting seating depth for each primer? Otherwise isn't this an effort in futility?
 
I don't have a CPS but I'll probably buy the Hornady one when it's released. I prime on my Dillon 750 but it's worth having a back up incase something happens. I've got a shitty old lee primer that sits in the corner in case I ever need it, the Hornady would be a nice upgrade from that.
 
So if there's .003 variation in the same box are you measuring each primer and adjusting seating depth for each primer? Otherwise isn't this an effort in futility?
No, sir, I set the anvil so deep that any variance is moot...."fully" crushed.

If only seated 0.002" below the case head, you would be spot on...but when you approach double-digits, no anvils are left behind. :)
 
Is that Derraco primer system? Is it any good? Was just looking at it, seems cheaper then the Hornadys one, however I am not sure of the priming speed and functionality of the Derracos. Any first hand recommendations?
I think they work well...super easy conversion from large to small primers...micrometer with 0.01mm detents...accepts Dillon tubes (maybe others, unsure...just use Dillion's)...and will go just as fast as you can on a single stage. :)

No complaints, except they could have shipped a couple shell plates with the kit...standard RCBS/Redding competition ones don't fit...think Lee might make some that do, the ones with a flat base, but not sure.
 
Sometimes designers and draftsmen are a little different breed.

Some of them (really most of them) hated doing the notes and the bill of materials part of their assembly drawings, and the rest get stuck working with the strange names given on the prints.

As often as not, the lead layout designers had so much ego (and the clout to back it up), that the drawing checkers wouldn't dare come back and ask them to change the silly names they assigned, even if it meant production folks had to live with goofy part names for the next 80 years.

This went on long before my time, and will be happening long after we are all gone. The technology back-drop has changed, but there is something about humans that doesn't change....
 
Are they measuring the cup height, or the cup and anvil together?

Inquiring minds gotta know.
I've measured cup height in the past, as I was very curious about their consistency, and found them to be very consistent. When I measure a primer's over all height, which includes the distance the anvil protrudes above the cup, I do often find variance often being ~.003". And because of that I'll take the shortest measurement and set my seating (which varies from one brand or lot of brass to another) to get ~.003" "crush", which means the taller ones will be "crushed" an additional .003" into my uniformed primer pockets. Regardless of the amount of "crush", the seating below flush is uniform for what I feel give consistent firing pin strikes for consistent ignition. Because the the difference between the cup height and the over all height might be something like .009" before the cup is actually seated against the bottom of the pocket, there's plenty of room to get close enough to the bottom of the pocket and have decent "crush" and consistent seating depth below flush from the base of the case. I've had a small variation in "crush" (like .003") that hasn't produced any measurable difference in velocities or results on paper.

Primers seated to far from the base of primer pockets can be a big problem (like, fail to fire) and primers overly crushed produce very inconsistent ignition. Don't ask me how I know. ;)
 
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