Rifle Scopes PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

I am looking for user feed back on the use of pvs 14 behind a quality day optic and what the real limitations of the set up would be. I have also read that some pvs 14s will shut off from recoil - how common is this?

I am considering acquiring either a '14 or a 760. If I got the '14 I would have an all around NV device and realize that there are compromises to anything, but if I can not mount it behind a day optic and use it precisely at a distance it probably isn't for me. In my case I would want to mount the '14 behind an S&B 3-12x50 on an SPRish AR and would want to be able to use up to 6x? 10x? 12x? power to shoot sub moa out to at least 300 but hopefully a fair amount more (I get the impression from reading that shooting with NV is a bit harder than during the day). I would likely mount a 'Da Torch' on the rail or better yet, over the top of the optics as well to increase the range.

So can those that have used '14s mounted behind day optics please give me their input and even better take a few pics? Pics preferably would show the lighting conditions of the area without NV and then also through the day optic with NV and describe any IR light added. Please describe how far you have taken precise shots or how far you think you could.

TIA

Good luck

 

[HuDisCo]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

PM Victor at Tactical Night Vision.

http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showprofile&User=13019

 

[fastford]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

does so so behind an elcan specter

 

[christian77]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

I've never had my monocular shut off due to recoil.

14s are very versatile and I love mine, but realize that it'll dick up your eye-relief big time less you mount your day optic far forward.

As far as sub-moa shooting...I doubt it (at least for me), but you can shoot people just fine at 300 with some illumination.

Contact Victor as mentioned above...he's the NV guru with mucho better pics...and you'll also want to buy one of his illuminators called Da'torch. Best Illuminator I've ever used, easily dwarfs the PEQs.

Shitty pic about 125yds away

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

DK - thank you for posting.

A couple of questions if you will about that pic

- If the Jeep were 69" wide and the MIL reading was @ 7.0 that makes it a pretty big difference from 125yrds - so is that related to the SFP of the day optic? If so, is that related to how much power you can use on the day optic before the picture degrades? What power can you use the day optic on in most conditions?

- Does your day optic have NV settings for the lit recticle feature? Is the bloom as much as it appears in the pic?


TIA

 

[Victor-TNVC]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

Hi Guys,

The PVS-14 universal adapter, similar to the monoloc, just about 300 bones cheaper. The uni-adapter works well with most day optics. We find the "sweet spot" at 6-8x with high end glass. As mentioned, a high power IR illuminator works especially well in very dark areas or when the magnifications gets up there, (8x). With that said, even with high end glass, putting a NOD on the back of the scope will give your some FOV loss (bout 1deg) and of course a little light loss even with a Gen 3 device.

Of course there is always drawbacks to everything and hanging a NVD off the back end of a day scope will cause your head to come back another 4 inches. A cheek riser is needed of some sort. The other way is to move your day scope forward IF you have that luxury, but of course means you lose your day dope. Most instances this is fine to keep two dopes if you have a good return to zero mount such as Larue and you mark your rail slots used for each setup.

With all this said, this is the reason folks use a PVS-22 (BNS - civilian model) clip on out in front of their day optic. Also, just to mention, putting a PVS-14 out in front of the day scope WILL cause POA/POI issues so this is not a solution.

Here are a few pics to assist you. Hope this helps.

Vic

3x

6x

9x

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

Victor in the last 3 pics that you posted - is it possible to focus the pvs 14 enough such that the reticle is crisp at 6x and 9x?

TIA

Good luck

 

[Victor-TNVC]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

At 9x as you see you start having the near field and far field focusing issues with the 14. While at these high magnifications, you can get the reticle to focus well, but the object (far field focus) will be out a bit. The 9x pic is what you see of a happy medium. Thus, we find 6-8x optimal for most. The 6x pic really had a pretty sharp reticle. Hope this helps.

Vic

 

[christian77]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. DK - thank you for posting.

2. If the Jeep were 69" wide and the MIL reading was @ 7.0 that makes it a pretty big difference from 125yrds - so is that related to the SFP of the day optic?

3. If so, is that related to how much power you can use on the day optic before the picture degrades? What power can you use the day optic on in most conditions?

4. Does your day optic have NV settings for the lit recticle feature? Is the bloom as much as it appears in the pic?
TIA</div></div>
1. Welcome

2. Pic is pretty old and I just guessed off the top of my head how far away the Jeep was. I never milled it or did any math to confirm, I was really more interested in seeing if I could get a pic that would be a decent representation of the day optic with NV mounted. It was hard as hell trying to juggle the camera and get the pic...the quality is far better actually looking through it than my piss poor photo skills.

3. Victor answered far more intelligably than I could that one.

4. No, my day optic did not have an NV setting for illumination...I had it at the lowest setting. On that note, it's probably not a good idea to do that anyways, because you run the risk of burning your image intensifier tube...it is too bright.

If you plan to do some low/no light shooting with NV though, pick up "da'torch" from Victor...it makes a huge difference per TRGT identification/aquisition. I used Da'Torch in Afghanistan and it made the PEQ15's illuminator look like it came out of a crackerjack box!

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

Thank you both


Good luck

 

[Bart]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

Victor,
Would the 3x magnifier on the pvs 14, all behind a RDS be a good compromise b/t setting up the day optic, using the monoloc-type device, and dealing with focusing issues? How clear are the 3x "boosters"?

Thanks!

Jordan

 

[christian77]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

Bart,

I've used 14s + 3x + EOtech and it is an impressive combo for night shooting.

 

[Victor-TNVC]

Re: PVS 14 Behind a Day Optic?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bart</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Victor,
Would the 3x magnifier on the pvs 14, all behind a RDS be a good compromise b/t setting up the day optic, using the monoloc-type device, and dealing with focusing issues? How clear are the 3x "boosters"?

Thanks!

Jordan </div></div>

As doorkicker talked, they work very well. The mil-spec glass is what to use of course. They screw right into the lens of the 14 and the views are VERY good. Pic below at same chimney, bout 75 yards away.