Rifle Scopes question asked the correct way

[canuck4570]

made a lot of search here on the site and google today and
learn quite a lot on FFP scope
yesterday I ask about reticle sustention on FFP
instead I should of phrase my question like this
when I look through my NF 5-22x50 (NPR1 reticle) I find it thin,
going to purchase a S@B 5-25x56 will the P4L fine reticle look as thin as the NF or much thinner at 5x
having a hard time choosing between the P4L and the P4L fine


thank you

 

[pupdawg]

Re: question asked the correct way

The P4F reticle in the schmidt might actually "look" thinner at 5x because the reticle is in the FFP, therefore the reticle appears "smaller" at 5x and "larger" at 25x relative to the target.

If you're used to the thin NP-R1 reticle in your 5.5-22 NF then why not just get the P4 Fine reticle in the Schmidt since you've narrowed it down to either the P4 or the P4F. Why sit and contemplate about which is thinner than your NF? Just get the "thinner" P4F and be done with it.

 

[Lowlight]

Re: question asked the correct way

I hate to say this, you still don't understand the numbers that were presented to you, nor do you fully comprehend what you are looking at.

While the NF reticle stays the same size no matter what power it is on, the fact is, and you can look at the numbers I gave you, it actually covers a different amount for each power setting.

Now, the S&B reticle while appearing to change in size is actually staying relative to the target always covering the same amount regardless of the power. Which is why you can hold adjustments or range on any power unlike the NF which is only valid on one power.

Either way, get the P4F, it will at least be similar to what you have, albeit nothing like it.

 

[canuck4570]

Re: question asked the correct way

Pupdawg
Lowlight
first let me thank you of you patience
for Pupdawg .....
yes I will go with the 4PL fine because at 25x the P4L might appear the thick relative to the target
for Lowlight
at least you answer my questions even if I get you cranky
OK yes your numbers have help a lot and I managed to find the S@B manual that shoes both reticle the P4L fine and P4L sustention chart
what I was afraid of is the appearance of the reticle at different power relative to the target not the sustention
yes you made me understand that the reticle stays the same sustention but does not appear the same relative to the target at difference power
so with the chart you provided I and a lot of sorting this out it came to me the reticle will look like my NF at around 15x no mather what power setting but it will appear to cover more at 25x because the target is closer
has a beginner I know I make mistake in interpreting all the LP, MTC, LT, FFP, SFP etc
but one thing I know is that I am at the good place on SH to learn and get to your level of expertise in the field of long range shooting
Lowlight to show you I understand yor saying here is one question
the reticle in my S@B will it appear like being .24 or .35 at 25 X or what relative to the target and yes I know it sustention is .13 staying the same at all power just want to know the appearance so making my choice will be more easy
thank you and hope I past my grade and up to the next one....
Canuck
Lowlight
please don't upset yourself after reading the following reply I see I flunk the grade
but I am much more educated than last night

 

[pupdawg]

Re: question asked the correct way

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: canuck4570</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
for Lowlight
at least you answer my questions even if I get you cranky </div></div>

... I gotta admit. I laughed when I read this. Haha! Wow Lowlight.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lowlight to show you I understand yor saying here is one question
the reticle in my S@B will it appear like being .24 or .35 at 25 X or what relative to the target and yes I know it sustention is .13 staying the same at all power just want to know the appearance so making my choice will be more easy
thank you and hope I past my grade and up to the next one....
Canuck </div></div>

Uh-oh... this is the same question that you asked the last time. We said regardless of how the lines might "look" you should just get the P4L FINE.

You're gonna get Lowlight cranky again! Haha.

 

[Wuzup101]

Re: question asked the correct way

Just curious... but why do you keep saying that the reticle is going to change sizes relative to the target with a FFP scope? The reticle is going to stay the same size relative to the target. It "grows" in relation to the shooter because you are effectively using the scope to magnify it (at the same rate as the target). If one of the uprights of your reticle covers a dime @ 100 yards @ 5x it will still cover that same dime @ 100 yards @ 25x. It won't cover any more space... it won't cover any less space. It will appear to be "bigger" to the shooter's eye... but that's because you magnified it (and the target) by 5x (from 5x to 25x).

With a SFP scope the reticle actually "shrinks" in relation to the target as you increase magnification. In this case, you are magnifying the target, but you are not applying any of that magnification to the reticle.

 

[pupdawg]

Re: question asked the correct way

The OP is worried about how "thick" or "thin" the lines are going to be in relation to his NF np-r1 reticle which he labeled as being "thin". I guess he wants the reticle to be thin?

I simply said that if he is worried about it to just get the P4F in the Schmidt as that is the "thinner" of the two (P4 and P4F).

I don't think I said that the reticle changes sizes in a FFP scope... I said "appears" to. But you are right.

 

[ssgp2]

Re: question asked the correct way

To simplify everything, do not use inches or cm for evaluating the thickness of the reticles.
Use either MOA or Mils.

Figure out how much you want your reticle to cover your target in these terms and it will be easier to understand what you need.

Once you understand the following, people tends to get less cranky....

Front Focal Plane scope = reticle stays the same dimensions relative to the target,
no matter what magnification.


Canuck

Where do you shoot?

Crosshair;

PS; P4L = 1/4MOA
P4L Fine = 1/8MOA

 

[canuck4570]

Re: question asked the correct way

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssgp2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To simplify everything, do not use inches or cm for evaluating the thickness of the reticles.
Use either MOA or Mils.

Figure out how much you want your reticle to cover your target in these terms and it will be easier to understand what you need.

Once you understand the following, people tends to get less cranky.......

Front Focal Plane scope = reticle stays the same dimensions relative to the target,
no matter what magnification.


Canuck

Where do you shoot?

Crosshair;

PS; P4L = 1/4MOA
P4L Fine = 1/8MOA
</div></div>
a little humour here
FFP reticle = old man di.. stay's the same dimension no matter what you do with it

I shoot at the ruisseau noir in Terrebone
ssgp2 and if all goes well will go at Farnham and may be a few time at Canaugh in Ontario....
I see you live in Montreal where do you shoot..........

 

[ssgp2]

Re: question asked the correct way

St Alex and Farnham