Question for the AccuLab Scale users

fastford

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  • Sep 10, 2008
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    I recently picked up the acculab vic123 scale. I have been using a rcbs chargbemaster to drop the inital load, then reweigh on the acculab. After 3 or 4 charges weighed on the acculab it starts to bounce around, of by +/- .20 . i put the empty powder bowl back on the scale and have to hit zero to get it to zero back out. Am i doing something wrong or do i have a bad unit.
     
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    I have to let mine warm up for about 30 mins. It hops around a little during that time but after that it's good to go.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PM sent with tips.</div></div>

    I could use those tips as well.
     
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    It will wonder around when it first gets turned on. After about 20-30 minutes, it should remain constant. I keep mine turned on 24/7, and it holds true. You may need to re-zero a few times though, just to keep it dead on. I watch for an exact zero with my pan on, and the normal reading I get when the pan is off the scale.

    Another trick I do, is put a small weight (I use a shell holder) on the scale while I'm using it. This allows it to settle down faster and not wonder around from drafts from my hands moving back and forth. It returns to zero much quicker and adjusts to trickled charges faster.
     
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    My Dillon and Chargemaster NEVER get turned off.

    I've found they both weigh more consistent when they're left turned on all the time.
     
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    unit is fine

    you need to find a better place to put your scale

    i leave my scale on for at least 24hrs befor weighting charges.

    dont move your scale , leave it where it is , if you move it around allot it will take longer to calibrate

    once calibrated for 1-2 days ( being on 24 hours a day ) my scale tends to stay perfectly calibrated

    its best to make some sort of housing for it , wind drafts can affect calibration.

    check your scale is calibrated between every weigh.

    the acculab scale is fantastic , but for 300 bucks , i'd hope so.
     
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    Adding the tips that I PM'd. I received them from a member that I purchased a milligram balance from. They're pasted below.

    The biggest tips to relatively trouble-free operation are

    1) make sure there are *no* drafts in the room. No open windows/doors, no fans, and no nearby vents pointed towards it. Yes, I know thats standard warning for normal scale use; but using a milligram scale without an enclosed draft shield (the glass ring helps, but not enough) will drive it home.

    2) is get that thing on a solid, reinforced bench. No sticking it on a shelf, especially on one of those NRMA loading benches with the little flop-down powder scale shelves The environmental parameters should already be set to #4 i.e. 'Very Unstable' (as compared to a climate controlled laboratory) to help it shrug off some vibration and such, but every bit helps.

    3) is get it on some 'clean' power, like a UPS that does voltage-regulation in addition to the normal surge-suppression and black/brown-out protection. A lot of people don't do this and have no problems (their utility AC must be cleaner than mine) but mine behaved markedly better after this step.

    4) keep things like cell phones at least 10 ft away or it will start acting weird in subtle ways - the zero may keep drifting, etc. Wi-fi from a laptop or iPod touch doesn't seem to bother it, nor do cordless phones, but cell phones... yikes. Some people report issues if you have it too close to a fluorescent light - I had a big herkin' 8' four-bulb shop light overhead with *magnetic* ballasts and when those things would flicker... the scale would start mis-behaving. I got rid of the big magnetic ballast beast, and got some new electronic T-5 fixtures... again, made a small but noticeable difference.

    5) Try not to use it in temperature extremes - if its uncomfortable for you, it's probably going to adversely affect the accuracy of the scale reading. Below 50F and above 85-90F and you probably need to think about finding a better spot.

    6) Don't try to trickle into the pan on the scale. Get some powder in a small cup or extra scale pan, and a plastic spoon. If you can get a baby-food spoon that'd be great, or an actual chemical mixing spoon (metal) like a friend uses would be best. I use a plain old white Dixie picnic spoon. Very easy to 'see' how many kernels you are picking up with it. Take the pan off the scale, add or subtract as necessary, then put it back. If you are a wee bit off, like '46.76' when going for a target weight of '46.80', you can safely toss a couple kernels in there and wait a few moments... the scale will register them no problem. Most powder tricklers (especially the Vibrashine I got) shake and well, 'vibrate' too much and just drive the scale nuts - plus the slow gradual change from a trickler makes the scale think the zero is shifting and it starts trying to compensate - which starts screwing with your zero for real. Tricklers and the VIC-123 don't mix well.

    If you can get a powder thrower set pretty close but a little low (so it's 'heavy' charges are right about at your target weight) you can get pretty good at eye-balling how much powder to add fairly quickly. Better is one of the electronic dispensers like the Chargemaster set 0.1gr light - basically less variation in how much you need to add from charge to charge, so things speed up a bit.

    Most of the above is hard-won knowledge from using this scale to load for F-Class competition from 300 to 1200yds. If it sounds like I've done about everything *wrong* it is possible to do with one of these scales... well maybe so You learn a lot in the course of loading a few thousand rounds with any tool!
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fastford</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Chad are you zeroing yor scale with the shell holder on it, then weighing? </div></div>
    Correct. My scale is zero'd with the shell holder and pan on it. I then pour charge from CM in pan on acculab and trickle up. I run 2 pans, 1 for the CM and 1 for the Acculab. While I'm trickling on the Acculab, the CM is charging the next one. Once powder is a paerfect charge on the Acculab, I pour it in the case and seat a bullet, then I'm ready for the next one.
     
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    The above tips are good! I built a "shelf" out of 2- 2x4 blocks about 6" long on top of each other that I mounted my trickler on. The top 2x4 is cut on the bottom at an angle so the trickler will mount slightly over the Acculab, but does not touch the unit. You do not want anything touching the scale while it's in use. This gets the trickler over the scale better and is able to drop powder with ease.
     
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    I've found that keeping the lid closed and pouring my powder thru the hole in the lid helps to prevent the scale from wandering. Thats what cured mine from wandering.
     
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    I have used mine for over 2 years, and found that it does need to warm up 30 minutes or more. If not, it will drift .02 to .04, then require the ZERO button to reset. It sets on a piece of Granite countertop that I fitted to a wood frame..is perfectly level.

    I use a small plastic measuring cup for a pan, and siliconed a flat washer under it (for a little weight). This makes it work SO much faster, and retains zero very well.

    I drop the powder from the BR-3 measure into the cup, then trickle into the cup untill I get a perfect 45.0. Takes very little time. I love this scale, as it is one of the quickest electronic ones I have ever used. Readings are SOLID and FAST.

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    To add to what has already been said:
    1) Set the acculab to "unstable" mode. This reduces the amount of drift and "wobbliness" of the reading.
    2) I use in tandem with a Chargemaster. I rezero every single time. I also know the weight of the Chargemaster pan, so that if I am concerned about drift, I can lift the pan up and see if it shows up at -(weight of charge pan). This is a double check to see if you are drifting.
    3) I put all of my weighing stuff on a large granite block. Actually, it is a Starrett surface plate that I got used locally for pretty cheap. It weighs about 450 pounds. That works as a very stable surface.
    4) I never turn my Acculab off and recalibrate it at least once a month or when I am concerned that it is not matching the Chargemaster.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">must i post the picture...yet again ?</div></div>

    Only with the French Trickler option.
     
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    I do all of the tips mentioned above, but one other tip that was not mentioned, but something I read up on years ago is to keep the scale loaded. I believe Brand said this at one time. The idea is that there is more error within the scale at the lower and upper extremes. Been almost 4 years since I did the research so I apologize for not going into further detail. I keep mine loaded with a few washers glued together, and a pill bottle sitting on top to put powder into. I just use mine to check my prometheus every now and again, but it's a good scale.