Rifle Scopes Questions on MILS

[300WSM]

forgive my rookie questions. I have read through the Q&A but still need some help.

1. can a mils/mils setup from say S&B and/or USO be used in meters as easy as it can be used in yards? Or will the mils reticle not work? For example if your dope is in meters. Could you use a mil reticle to do the hold over with the dope you have in meters? Obviously .1 mil is .36" at 100yds but are they both .39" at 100m?

2. Is the mils mils setup pretty much only used with YARDS over here?

3. I understand the idea that if you miss your spotter calls the mis value in mils. 1/2 a mil 1 mil etc. But what if your spotter doesn't have a mil reticle in his spotting scope and calls the wind something like 6" , 1 foot 18" 2 feet to the right etc. Then what?

4. regarding the above. Couldn't it be argued that a moa reticle would be more accurate in calling the missed shot vs a mil? (assuming the moa reticle has marks spaced 1moa apart) since the smallest spaced mark on a mil reticle I've found is half a mil which is approx 1.8moa. So in otherwords the moa reticle with marks spaced 1moa apart would be more precise then the half mil space. Granted 1moa is 10" at 1000yds but half a mil is 18" at 1000yds. So that is quite the difference.


5. what are some advantages with the mil system over the moa system? Assuming you have true moa reticle and true moa clicks in your scope.

 

[Trigger Monkey]

Re: Questions on MILS

Question 1: The mil reticle can be used at any distance, for hold over and hold off, whether the dope and/or distance is in yards or meters. The only difference is that there is a different formula to calculate distance in meters vs yards. For the mildot master all that is needed is to flip the card over. A mil is a mil no matter what...so generally what you see through the scope is the correction that you need to make on the elevation knob.

Question 2: See the above.

Question 3: It pays to have a spotter with a matching reticle for situations like this but if that's not possible then hopefully the shooter and spotter have worked on their communication skills enough to make a follow up shot happen. Usually though the spotter will give the shooter a reference point to use as the desired point of aim to get a hit on target. For example, if the shot impacts 6" off the plate at 3 o'clock the spotter can tell the shooter to hold 9 o'clock just off the plate.

Question 4: The effectiveness of the MOA reticle vs a Mil reticle is a training issue in my mind. As long as the shooter knows the reticle and has time to really practice using it then either one will work well.

Question 5: I don't see one type being anymore advantageous than the other, as I said above I think it's a training issue. I prefer mil/mil setups because I was trained on mil reticles and it's what I'm comfortable with using.

 

[300WSM]

Re: Questions on MILS

follow up on question 1 - ok say your dope for 400 meters is 20 clicks on the dial so that would be the same as 20 cm at 100 m.

And if you dropped down to the 4th hash mark on your reticle ie. 2 mils would it be the SAME as the above doing 20 clicks?

 

[Cserv]

Re: Questions on MILS

There's a great link on the Hide's home page. Explains alot. Mil dot's work w/ whatever math you use. For yards or meters.

 

[300WSM]

Re: Questions on MILS

yeah just wondering if the mils RETICLE was some how different with meters vs yards.

 

[AlabamaShooter]

Re: Questions on MILS

I started out with scope that was set up with .25" adjustments with a mildot reticle. Once i figured it out it was great to use. Then i switched to a mil/mil set up with 1/10 mil adjustments, the math for adjustments was easier for me. You know 1 1/2 mils up was just 15 clicks. Either system works, i guess its a personal preference really, the adjustments in either system are easy if the knobs match the reticle.

 

[chpprguy]

Re: Questions on MILS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yeah just wondering if the mils RETICLE was some how different with meters vs yards. </div></div>

No,
only your dope will be different, whether in meters or yards...
same as an MOA reticle would work whether your dope was in meters or yards...

 

[Trigger Monkey]

Re: Questions on MILS

LOL you guys and your clicks...just use the big numbers on the knob unless it's completely dark then it's ok to count clicks. To answer your question though 300WSM, yes dialing to "2" on the knob will equal 2 mils on the reticle regardless if the knob is marked as being cm or mrad, clockwise or counterclockwise.

 

[ReaperDriver]

Re: Questions on MILS

nevermind

 

[427Cobra]

Re: Questions on MILS

1 mil is 1/1000 of any unit of measurement you want to give it
1 inch at 1000 inches
1 mile at 1000 miles
1cm at 1000cm or anyone Bueller Bueller
And I agree about counting clicks, it's pretty silly with a modern quaility scope(once verified)

 

[AlabamaShooter]

Re: Questions on MILS

Yeah I guess I did sound a little mall ninja-ish talking "clicks", I do just use the big numbers on the knobs.

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

Re: Questions on MILS

Here try this out. Just pick the Mil/Mil FFP scope and use it for a little bit. You can hold or dail in the simulator give it a try and it'll clear up alot of your questions for you.
http://www.shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html