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Quick die question

Scuzy

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Quick die question

I'm almost done gathering all the gear needed for reloading for my Remington 700 SPSV, and I have a question about dies.

What is the difference between Forester, Redding, and Lee neck sizing and bullet seating dies? Do the Forester and Redding dies produce a superior product compared to the Lee dies, or are you just buying a name?

I am interested in learning everything I can about dies before making a decision. Is there any suggested reading on the topic?

Thanks
Scuzy
 
Re: Quick die question

I'm partial to Redding. Best thing to do is buy a couple of loading manuals if you don't have a tutor. There's a wealth of info in everyone. Most dies are capable of loading a straight round. Question really is if you and your equipment are capable of telling the difference.
 
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I have dies from Lee, Hornady, Lyman, RCBS, Forster, Redding and a few others. If you want to load to go hunting at 100-200 yards Lee is OK. But if you want to shoot tight groups and plan to buy top quality equiptment then Forster and Redding are the way to go. I also believe that Redding may be a bit better than Forster. RCBS, Lyman and Hornady would be somewhere between Lee and Forster/Redding for quality. The key is bullet runout. You want the end result of your reloading to be consistant and as perfect as possible. If you do buy Redding dies do yourself a favor and buy some of the Hornady locking rings for them, they dont scuff up the threads when you lock them down.
 
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"Quick die question"

Don't know anything about any "Quick dies" but Lee used to make a "Speed die"; they've dropped it. (Okay, I'll stop it now.
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"What is the difference between Forester, Redding, and Lee neck sizing and bullet seating dies? Do the Forester and Redding dies produce a superior product compared to the Lee dies, or are you just buying a name?"

There are potential differences for the Forster/Redding dies but it's not an automatic thing. All dies are quite good, they are all made to the same internal SAAMI specifications. IF we should luck onto a die set in which the normal tolerances stack ideally, conventional dies can be the equal of any more pricy dies and, personal opinions aside, there is little if any difference between brands.

The Forster BR and Redding Comp dies have a different design for their seaters, a full length sleeve encases the brass before seating starts to duplicate the high precision hand dies the BR crowd actually use. (The Forsters are the original, Redding copied them when the patents ran out so they are equal in effect and NO other so-called "Competition" dies work nearly as well.)

Some folks think micrometer seating stems are helpful for accuracy; that isn't true. A mike stem does nothing but make it a bit easier for changes in OAL, that's why Forster allows us to choose to pay extra for the mike stem or save a few bucks with plain seating screws. I have both but i quit buying the more costly type years ago, they just don't seen worth the price to me.

A LOT of people base their (often firm) opinions on "die quality" by the external appearance. That's a mistake, the work is done inside and I've proven there is as much average variation between dies of the same brand as there is between brands. I prefer to buy Redding/Forster or Lee, there is little to gain in the middle.

What's actually proven to make the best (most concentric) ammo for me is any body die (or any FL die bored out to relieve the neck) and a Lee Collet Neck Die for all the sizing work and use a Forster (or Redding) seater. If the bullet needs crimping I do it with a Lee Factory Crimp Die. But, all that die selection simply squeezes <span style="text-decoration: underline">maybe</span> another quarter MOA better than conventional dies, it sure won't make a 1.5 MOA shooter into a .5 MOA shooter! Obtaining the best results from any die set requires a lot of skill in both reloading and shooting.

With that as background, I suggest you start with a Lee Delux Die set, it works well. It includes a collet neck sizer die, an FL die and a very good seater, plus a proper shell holder. Use that set until you feel you have fully learned how to use it and have exhausted its accuracy potential before you even start thinking about a more expensive seater.

Now, how 'bout them "bushing" type neck sizers? Well, they were invented by - and for - BR shooters who cut their custom chamber necks so small a conventional case won't even chamber! Then they turn their case necks thin and totally consistant; that way they can size the necks and softly seat bullets without using an expander button at all; for them bushings work fine. But, for those of us with factory (SAAMI) chambers and a much tighter bullet grip in common cases I think bushing dies are a friviolous waste of money with no advantage.

The Lee Collet Sizers do the best job on conventional cases we can expect and do it without the hassle of playing around with silly bushings. IMHO. YMMV. I suppose.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some folks think micrometer seating stems are helpful for accuracy; that isn't true. A mike stem does nothing but make it a bit easier for changes in OAL</div></div>
I suspected as much, that was going to be my next question

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question, and for not turning this in to a brand war.

Scuzy
 
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For neck sizing the Lee collet die is second to none. I use this neck sizing die for all my .308 loads. It doesn't require additional bushings to purchase or lubrication. I get check all my rounds on a Froster concentricity guage for neck concentricity and for bullet runout. The most I have ever seen on any round .002" runout, and that has happened about three times. All my other rounds are between .000" and .001" runout. You can't beat the functionality, simplicity, price, and the end result of a Lee collet neck sizing die.

That being said, that is the only Lee die I would recommend if your goal is the tightest groups you can achieve. I have a Redding Competition bullet seater and I love it. The micrometer is extremely accurate and the die is well built with quality materials. Again, my total runout in 99.9% of my loaded rounds is .001" or less.

I do not own any Forster dies but their quality is right there with Redding. I am actually about to purchase a Forster full length sizing die for the .308. I don't think you can go wrong with either Redding or Forster dies, but keep the Lee collet neck sizer in mind. There are many , many people who have been using them with great success for many years and that includes a former 1000 yard world record.
 
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"Thank you for not turning this into a brand war."

Scuzy, you mean, like:

"1. Redding
2. Forester
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Lee"

Note there is neither logic nor evidence to support the rankings but a fixed point of view is quite visible! Ah, well... even the "big" boys need to make a living, right. ???

I didn't address your question, "..is there any reading.." but the answer is sorta; the net is full of opinions... but little data! No book I know of is going to tell you any more about brands and specifications than I did, so..?

We all make our choices and fortunately for us, at least with our dies and presses, that includes no danger of making a serious mistake, all brands work just fine, on average. Sure, they all put out an occasional tool that is defective in some small way but they ALL stand behind their products quite well.

Enjoy your new activity!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Thank you for not turning this into a brand war."

Scuzy, you mean, like:

"1. Redding
2. Forester
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. Lee"

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He asked for an opinion. I gave him mine. You gave him yours. People have different opinions. That's the way things go. I tend to prefer higher quality over cheaper workmanship. I guess it comes from being a tool & die maker for 35 years. To each his own.