I am new to the long range world and am trying to decide on either a Rem 700 LTR or the Rem 5R both in a 20" barrel. Any info from anyone with experience with one or both would be appreciated. I have been back and forth with the twist rates of each! Please help!
R700 LTR or 5R? Need help deciding!
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Re: R700 LTR or 5R? Need help deciding!
It really just depends on you and how much you are willing to spend. I just went through the same thing. I decided on the 5R because it will stabilize better at longer ranges. However, the LTR will leave you with a little extra cash for upgrades. Both rifles are pretty accurate from the factory, and have great potential. Good luck
It really just depends on you and how much you are willing to spend. I just went through the same thing. I decided on the 5R because it will stabilize better at longer ranges. However, the LTR will leave you with a little extra cash for upgrades. Both rifles are pretty accurate from the factory, and have great potential. Good luck
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Ive got an LTR barreled action for sale in the firearms for sale section that is proven shooter (see targets in ad).
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3135186#Post3135186
Ive got an LTR barreled action for sale in the firearms for sale section that is proven shooter (see targets in ad).
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3135186#Post3135186
Re: R700 LTR or 5R? Need help deciding!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K9Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am new to the long range world and am trying to decide on either a Rem 700 LTR or the Rem 5R both in a 20" barrel. Any info from anyone with experience with one or both would be appreciated. I have been back and forth with the twist rates of each! Please help! </div></div>
If you really plan to shoot at longer ranges you will be better served by a longer barrel weapon. Distance likes velocity. If you were buying a Kriger tight bore to have a custom chamber cut for your particular load I would say sure a 20"-22" barrel is fine up to maybe 1,000 yards. But for a standard bore or production gun barrel length is the friend of velocity.
I suggest buying a 24" 5R and shooting it for a while. The extra velocity doesn't hurt anything when shooting at long ranges and it gets harder to keep up the velocity difference that 4" of barrel makes when using heavier bullets which perform better as range gets longer.
Short, handy barrels are "in" right now but velocity due to physics will always be in fashion for long range shooting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K9Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am new to the long range world and am trying to decide on either a Rem 700 LTR or the Rem 5R both in a 20" barrel. Any info from anyone with experience with one or both would be appreciated. I have been back and forth with the twist rates of each! Please help! </div></div>
If you really plan to shoot at longer ranges you will be better served by a longer barrel weapon. Distance likes velocity. If you were buying a Kriger tight bore to have a custom chamber cut for your particular load I would say sure a 20"-22" barrel is fine up to maybe 1,000 yards. But for a standard bore or production gun barrel length is the friend of velocity.
I suggest buying a 24" 5R and shooting it for a while. The extra velocity doesn't hurt anything when shooting at long ranges and it gets harder to keep up the velocity difference that 4" of barrel makes when using heavier bullets which perform better as range gets longer.
Short, handy barrels are "in" right now but velocity due to physics will always be in fashion for long range shooting.
Re: R700 LTR or 5R? Need help deciding!
i own both and would not want to live on the diff in the way that they both shoot... the 5r shoots maybe a 1/8 to 1/4 moa better but i have spent more time w/ my 5r and it has a better scope, both guns are solid keepers. i don't think you can wrong w/ either gun that you have listed.. just for long range shooting i might would consider the 24" version if that was the only thing that i was gonna do with the rifle. but if it was gonna be my one do anything rifle i would stay at 20"
i own both and would not want to live on the diff in the way that they both shoot... the 5r shoots maybe a 1/8 to 1/4 moa better but i have spent more time w/ my 5r and it has a better scope, both guns are solid keepers. i don't think you can wrong w/ either gun that you have listed.. just for long range shooting i might would consider the 24" version if that was the only thing that i was gonna do with the rifle. but if it was gonna be my one do anything rifle i would stay at 20"
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Thank you guys for all the advice and info! I just got a call from a buddy who got an LTR the other day and we'll be going to the range tomorrow to let me try it out. Since it's my first LR rifle I think either rifle I choose will be in 20" so I can also use it for an occasional hunt with my buddies and the tons of practice I'm gonna need!
Thank you guys for all the advice and info! I just got a call from a buddy who got an LTR the other day and we'll be going to the range tomorrow to let me try it out. Since it's my first LR rifle I think either rifle I choose will be in 20" so I can also use it for an occasional hunt with my buddies and the tons of practice I'm gonna need!
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i was in the same boat a few weeks ago. i was considering an SPS tactical 20"er. but i sprung for the 5R because of the SS.
i choose the 20"er due to the fact i want to get a suppressor for it shortly.
when i was searching around, no one could flat out prove that the 5R was better than the SPS.
someone on here told me "buy once cry once". so i did.
i was in the same boat a few weeks ago. i was considering an SPS tactical 20"er. but i sprung for the 5R because of the SS.
i choose the 20"er due to the fact i want to get a suppressor for it shortly.
when i was searching around, no one could flat out prove that the 5R was better than the SPS.
someone on here told me "buy once cry once". so i did.
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I sold an LTR to buy a 5R. I did notice some differences- the stock while very similar seems to have a more flattened out forend- it's also about 1" longer but that seems to be in the forend as well.
Weight- you can certainly feel the weight in the non-fluted barrel on the 5R.
I haven't shot the 5R yet as I literally picked it up from the smith yesterday who opened up the receiver holes to 8-40. Interesting to note- they couldn't get the barrel off without having to put some unnecessary effort into it, so they used an end mill to open up the front hole. He said most smith's wouldn't have an 8-40 end mill and a bottom tap wouldn't hit enough threads. Given they machine their own actions, they were set-up to do it (this is Pierce Engineering in Lansing, MI). Not really something that's crazy important, but I thought I'd mention it. They said being new rifles, they weren't going to get crazy with removing the barrel only to put it back on when they could run an end mill.
The threaded barrel is nice and it does come with a cap- something I was unsure about when I ordered it. The .223 version has a step-down about 1" before the threads start; it looks mildly odd, but you're getting .308 so that's not a problem.
Something to consider- stainless is nice for hunting!! I do a good job of keeping my rifles clean and oiled and still ended up with some very light surface rust on my LTR after a day out in the wet rain/snow. My buddy with his stainless rifle didn't have nearly as much to contend with as far as keeping it dry. On the up side, the parkerizing actually did it's job- took a brush and some oil, a quick scrub to the area and the rust was gone. But at what point will that not be the case? I don't know.
Something else to consider- although not hugely common, you can sometimes get rust in your bore- I solve that by a patch with oil on it down the bore after a cleaning on my moly barrels- then a couple dry patches or a snake before shooting the next time. And I keep my rifles in a safe with a true dehumidifier. Maybe it's over-kill, I don't know... but I'd rather not find out the hard way. Anyway, stainless barrel you shouldn't have to worry about that
And last thing- a stainless barrel SHOULD last a bit longer than a moly barrel. Is the little bit of longevity worth the extra $300 you'll fork over? Not likely since you can buy a new barrel for about that much.
I sold an LTR to buy a 5R. I did notice some differences- the stock while very similar seems to have a more flattened out forend- it's also about 1" longer but that seems to be in the forend as well.
Weight- you can certainly feel the weight in the non-fluted barrel on the 5R.
I haven't shot the 5R yet as I literally picked it up from the smith yesterday who opened up the receiver holes to 8-40. Interesting to note- they couldn't get the barrel off without having to put some unnecessary effort into it, so they used an end mill to open up the front hole. He said most smith's wouldn't have an 8-40 end mill and a bottom tap wouldn't hit enough threads. Given they machine their own actions, they were set-up to do it (this is Pierce Engineering in Lansing, MI). Not really something that's crazy important, but I thought I'd mention it. They said being new rifles, they weren't going to get crazy with removing the barrel only to put it back on when they could run an end mill.
The threaded barrel is nice and it does come with a cap- something I was unsure about when I ordered it. The .223 version has a step-down about 1" before the threads start; it looks mildly odd, but you're getting .308 so that's not a problem.
Something to consider- stainless is nice for hunting!! I do a good job of keeping my rifles clean and oiled and still ended up with some very light surface rust on my LTR after a day out in the wet rain/snow. My buddy with his stainless rifle didn't have nearly as much to contend with as far as keeping it dry. On the up side, the parkerizing actually did it's job- took a brush and some oil, a quick scrub to the area and the rust was gone. But at what point will that not be the case? I don't know.
Something else to consider- although not hugely common, you can sometimes get rust in your bore- I solve that by a patch with oil on it down the bore after a cleaning on my moly barrels- then a couple dry patches or a snake before shooting the next time. And I keep my rifles in a safe with a true dehumidifier. Maybe it's over-kill, I don't know... but I'd rather not find out the hard way. Anyway, stainless barrel you shouldn't have to worry about that
And last thing- a stainless barrel SHOULD last a bit longer than a moly barrel. Is the little bit of longevity worth the extra $300 you'll fork over? Not likely since you can buy a new barrel for about that much.
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Oh yeah, and worth noting- 5R does is no assurance of accuracy. There are plenty of conventional cut-rifled or button rifled barrels that will outshoot these 5R's all day long. But on a factory gun, you're just increasing your odds at getting a really good shooter. That's all it is- odds. And it is fairly common to get a touch higher velocity on a 5R than conventional... but again, this is not something I would weigh heavily in the decision.
Oh yeah, and worth noting- 5R does is no assurance of accuracy. There are plenty of conventional cut-rifled or button rifled barrels that will outshoot these 5R's all day long. But on a factory gun, you're just increasing your odds at getting a really good shooter. That's all it is- odds. And it is fairly common to get a touch higher velocity on a 5R than conventional... but again, this is not something I would weigh heavily in the decision.
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I have to throw my lot in with the longer barrel crowd on this one. We have had a few guys show up (mostly LE) to our monthly long range matches with the LTR's and they would begin key holing at 800 yds. I would go with at least a 24" on a .308 and shoot either the 175 smk or the 155 Lapua, Berger or new Palma. Just my .02
I have to throw my lot in with the longer barrel crowd on this one. We have had a few guys show up (mostly LE) to our monthly long range matches with the LTR's and they would begin key holing at 800 yds. I would go with at least a 24" on a .308 and shoot either the 175 smk or the 155 Lapua, Berger or new Palma. Just my .02
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