R700 Straight Pull?
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Re: R700 Straight Pull?
You want to convert a M700 into a straight pull bolt action?
Anything is possible with enough money, time and patience.........
Straight pull bolt actions are more popular in Europe. Never heard of anyone trying to convert a M700. Give it a try and tell us how it worked.
You want to convert a M700 into a straight pull bolt action?
Anything is possible with enough money, time and patience.........
Straight pull bolt actions are more popular in Europe. Never heard of anyone trying to convert a M700. Give it a try and tell us how it worked.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zacg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> is it possible to make a 700 action {straight pull} </div></div>
This is quite the challenge, I too suffer from wrist fatigue, making the lifting of the bolt very uncomfortable. I set out to solve the problem copying the design of the Blazer straight pull bolt rifles, The first step is most crucial. When turning the bolt lugs off, you must keep clear of the ejector retaining pin, cuz they are a sumbich to get out once you've buggered up the hole. Using a good mill to remove the lugs from the bolt body is the best way, I wish I had one for my project. But using an abrasive wheel will do the same job, it just takes longer. I took advantage of using the cutoff tool while on loan from my sister to add some flutes to the bolt, to cut down on friction. I figured a straight pull bolt would benefit greatly from the flutes, again I wish I'd had a good mill for that part of the project because afterwards I had to do some serious cleanup with a file
Now that my straight pull bolt was almost functional, I had to fill the notch in the stock, to keep the bolt from falling down and creating a major hangup. <span style="font-style: italic">there is nothing more frustrating than a straight pull bolt that you have to yank on several times before it moves, BTW, my homemade uber-tacticool breaching bolt knob makes a hell of an edged weapon!</span>
Now for the ball detent, the bolt would fall out every time you pull the trigger if it didn't have a ball detent genius! So, you drill a hole in the side or bottom of the action, and tap it 1/4npt. You can steal the spring out of those cheap ass pens from the cust. service counter at Wally mart, you can mash a couple of those into one of those bronzy colored pipe plugs, and then use like a BB, or BBB, or a skittle or something like that to go in the hole. Tighten to 65 inch pounds. Of course you need to make a mating hole in the side or bottom of your bolt body to recieve the BB/skittle, I did this simply by hitting a punch through the hole, <span style="font-style: italic">I wish I had a set of those transfer punches they have at Harbor Freight</span> As luck would have it, My punch hit right in the gash....er, flute, on my bolt, so you can imagine the shit samwhich that was trying to make a round hole in a raspy groove big enough for a skittle. Test for function. <span style="font-style: italic">you may need to mash more of them little bastard springs in there to get the right amount of friction to keep the bolt in when firing</span>
If you choose to use the sweeter of the detent balls, I would suggest getting some out of a quarter candy machine in some old stinky office in an industrial park, they have some of the hardest detent balls out there.
You'll need to open up the throat a bit in the barrel, the reduced friction will send the jagged DNA stained bolt right into your damn face when regular pressures are applied, I would suggest cutting the throat to within .68moa from the muzzle. That will keep that nasty bullet from sealing with the bore until its right at the crown, <span style="font-weight: bold">THEE</span> most accurate part of the barrel. <span style="font-style: italic"> it also gives you a quick second for bolt knob dodging if your skittle is out of spec</span>
Its a work in process, I will keep you updated as I get closer to a perfected product. I've had several calls from Remington inquiring about my design, I think I'll leave em hanging till its done.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> SARCASM button is on. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zacg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> is it possible to make a 700 action {straight pull} </div></div>
This is quite the challenge, I too suffer from wrist fatigue, making the lifting of the bolt very uncomfortable. I set out to solve the problem copying the design of the Blazer straight pull bolt rifles, The first step is most crucial. When turning the bolt lugs off, you must keep clear of the ejector retaining pin, cuz they are a sumbich to get out once you've buggered up the hole. Using a good mill to remove the lugs from the bolt body is the best way, I wish I had one for my project. But using an abrasive wheel will do the same job, it just takes longer. I took advantage of using the cutoff tool while on loan from my sister to add some flutes to the bolt, to cut down on friction. I figured a straight pull bolt would benefit greatly from the flutes, again I wish I'd had a good mill for that part of the project because afterwards I had to do some serious cleanup with a file
Now that my straight pull bolt was almost functional, I had to fill the notch in the stock, to keep the bolt from falling down and creating a major hangup. <span style="font-style: italic">there is nothing more frustrating than a straight pull bolt that you have to yank on several times before it moves, BTW, my homemade uber-tacticool breaching bolt knob makes a hell of an edged weapon!</span>
Now for the ball detent, the bolt would fall out every time you pull the trigger if it didn't have a ball detent genius! So, you drill a hole in the side or bottom of the action, and tap it 1/4npt. You can steal the spring out of those cheap ass pens from the cust. service counter at Wally mart, you can mash a couple of those into one of those bronzy colored pipe plugs, and then use like a BB, or BBB, or a skittle or something like that to go in the hole. Tighten to 65 inch pounds. Of course you need to make a mating hole in the side or bottom of your bolt body to recieve the BB/skittle, I did this simply by hitting a punch through the hole, <span style="font-style: italic">I wish I had a set of those transfer punches they have at Harbor Freight</span> As luck would have it, My punch hit right in the gash....er, flute, on my bolt, so you can imagine the shit samwhich that was trying to make a round hole in a raspy groove big enough for a skittle. Test for function. <span style="font-style: italic">you may need to mash more of them little bastard springs in there to get the right amount of friction to keep the bolt in when firing</span>
If you choose to use the sweeter of the detent balls, I would suggest getting some out of a quarter candy machine in some old stinky office in an industrial park, they have some of the hardest detent balls out there.
You'll need to open up the throat a bit in the barrel, the reduced friction will send the jagged DNA stained bolt right into your damn face when regular pressures are applied, I would suggest cutting the throat to within .68moa from the muzzle. That will keep that nasty bullet from sealing with the bore until its right at the crown, <span style="font-weight: bold">THEE</span> most accurate part of the barrel. <span style="font-style: italic"> it also gives you a quick second for bolt knob dodging if your skittle is out of spec</span>
Its a work in process, I will keep you updated as I get closer to a perfected product. I've had several calls from Remington inquiring about my design, I think I'll leave em hanging till its done.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> SARCASM button is on. </div></div>
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zacg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">not sure how to take that. i am just looking for information on them and the ones that are available, i dont mean to offend or annoy anyone. im new to everything and am just trying to educate myself
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It was just a joke, nothing to take from it but maybe a laugh.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zacg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">not sure how to take that. i am just looking for information on them and the ones that are available, i dont mean to offend or annoy anyone. im new to everything and am just trying to educate myself
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It was just a joke, nothing to take from it but maybe a laugh.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
If you want a straight pull bolt I think you should just get one. It is either impossible or extremely impractical to do it with a 700.
If you want a straight pull bolt I think you should just get one. It is either impossible or extremely impractical to do it with a 700.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
Surplus K31 rifle, well engineered, accurate, cheap and a lot harder to cycle than a 700
Surplus K31 rifle, well engineered, accurate, cheap and a lot harder to cycle than a 700
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> using an abrasive wheel will do the same job, it just takes longer. I took advantage of using the cutoff tool while on loan from my sister to add some flutes to the bolt, to cut down on friction. I figured a straight pull bolt would benefit greatly from the flutes, again I wish I'd had a good mill for that part of the project because afterwards I had to do some serious cleanup with a file
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I am about finished removing the lugs. But I am a little nervous to start the flutes. Do you have like a diagram or something I can use, so I don't mess it up too bad?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> using an abrasive wheel will do the same job, it just takes longer. I took advantage of using the cutoff tool while on loan from my sister to add some flutes to the bolt, to cut down on friction. I figured a straight pull bolt would benefit greatly from the flutes, again I wish I'd had a good mill for that part of the project because afterwards I had to do some serious cleanup with a file
I am about finished removing the lugs. But I am a little nervous to start the flutes. Do you have like a diagram or something I can use, so I don't mess it up too bad?
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
A 700 is NOT DESIGNED to be a straight pull.
Get a rifle that IS DESIGNED to be a straight pull.
That's kinda like trying to make a forumula I out of a Volkswagen Beetle.
Get a life.
A 700 is NOT DESIGNED to be a straight pull.
Get a rifle that IS DESIGNED to be a straight pull.
That's kinda like trying to make a forumula I out of a Volkswagen Beetle.
Get a life.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option.
Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zacg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> is it possible to make a 700 action {straight pull} </div></div>
This is quite the challenge, I too suffer from wrist fatigue, making the lifting of the bolt very uncomfortable. I set out to solve the problem copying the design of the Blazer straight pull bolt rifles, The first step is most crucial. When turning the bolt lugs off, you must keep clear of the ejector retaining pin, cuz they are a sumbich to get out once you've buggered up the hole. Using a good mill to remove the lugs from the bolt body is the best way, <span style="color: #CC0000">I wish I had one for my project. But using an abrasive wheel will do the same job, it just takes longer. I took advantage of using the cutoff tool while on loan from my sister to add some flutes to the bolt, to cut down on friction</span>. I figured a straight pull bolt would benefit greatly from the flutes, again I wish I'd had a good mill for that part of the project because afterwards I had to do some serious cleanup with a file
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That was good for a laugh. You had me fooled until I got to the part in red and then I thought, please tell me this is a joke.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zacg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> is it possible to make a 700 action {straight pull} </div></div>
This is quite the challenge, I too suffer from wrist fatigue, making the lifting of the bolt very uncomfortable. I set out to solve the problem copying the design of the Blazer straight pull bolt rifles, The first step is most crucial. When turning the bolt lugs off, you must keep clear of the ejector retaining pin, cuz they are a sumbich to get out once you've buggered up the hole. Using a good mill to remove the lugs from the bolt body is the best way, <span style="color: #CC0000">I wish I had one for my project. But using an abrasive wheel will do the same job, it just takes longer. I took advantage of using the cutoff tool while on loan from my sister to add some flutes to the bolt, to cut down on friction</span>. I figured a straight pull bolt would benefit greatly from the flutes, again I wish I'd had a good mill for that part of the project because afterwards I had to do some serious cleanup with a file
</div></div>
That was good for a laugh. You had me fooled until I got to the part in red and then I thought, please tell me this is a joke.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option. </div></div>
I hope this is not what brought the OP to the hide.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option. </div></div>
I hope this is not what brought the OP to the hide.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cavemanmoore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> using an abrasive wheel will do the same job, it just takes longer. I took advantage of using the cutoff tool while on loan from my sister to add some flutes to the bolt, to cut down on friction. I figured a straight pull bolt would benefit greatly from the flutes, again I wish I'd had a good mill for that part of the project because afterwards I had to do some serious cleanup with a file
</div></div>
I am about finished removing the lugs. But I am a little nervous to start the flutes. Do you have like a diagram or something I can use, so I don't mess it up too bad? </div></div>
Diagram?? what do I look like an engineer? just finger space em and you'll be fine.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cavemanmoore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> using an abrasive wheel will do the same job, it just takes longer. I took advantage of using the cutoff tool while on loan from my sister to add some flutes to the bolt, to cut down on friction. I figured a straight pull bolt would benefit greatly from the flutes, again I wish I'd had a good mill for that part of the project because afterwards I had to do some serious cleanup with a file
I am about finished removing the lugs. But I am a little nervous to start the flutes. Do you have like a diagram or something I can use, so I don't mess it up too bad? </div></div>
Diagram?? what do I look like an engineer? just finger space em and you'll be fine.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coryj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option. </div></div>
I hope this is not what brought the OP to the hide. </div></div>
See, on the surface you'd think that to be true.
But, i actually see it as a good thing. Shooting is fun, relaxing, and a good way of getting kids out of the house and into a friendly, and safe shooting environment. If the hide is the first place they look, then it's sure as hell better than one of their mates older brothers whos claim to fame is the 'uber-cool-AK-sniper' he bought after he saw it on TV
Video Games cop alot of backlash in regards to violence relating to the use of firearms and other weapons. the best thing that can happen is for kids who play these games is for them to go out and join other shooters, and learn that not all guns are designed or built with death in mind by some two-bit hack in an allotment shed who thinks taping a trio of AR-15's together is a 'game changer', and that they can enjoy real guns, and learn to shoot both safely and efficiently.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coryj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option. </div></div>
I hope this is not what brought the OP to the hide. </div></div>
See, on the surface you'd think that to be true.
But, i actually see it as a good thing. Shooting is fun, relaxing, and a good way of getting kids out of the house and into a friendly, and safe shooting environment. If the hide is the first place they look, then it's sure as hell better than one of their mates older brothers whos claim to fame is the 'uber-cool-AK-sniper' he bought after he saw it on TV
Video Games cop alot of backlash in regards to violence relating to the use of firearms and other weapons. the best thing that can happen is for kids who play these games is for them to go out and join other shooters, and learn that not all guns are designed or built with death in mind by some two-bit hack in an allotment shed who thinks taping a trio of AR-15's together is a 'game changer', and that they can enjoy real guns, and learn to shoot both safely and efficiently.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option. </div></div> what a game does is irrelevant im interested in the design and availability
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option. </div></div> what a game does is irrelevant im interested in the design and availability
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coryj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option. </div></div>
I hope this is not what brought the OP to the hide. </div></div>
See, on the surface you'd think that to be true.
</div></div>
It is true, I hope it's not what brought him here. However, if it is what brought him here, I'm glad he's here to learn and share his experiences. Welcome to the hide.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coryj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it's on Battlefield 3
No, you cannot convert your 700 to a straight-pull, despite the fact that BF3 makes it an option. </div></div>
I hope this is not what brought the OP to the hide. </div></div>
See, on the surface you'd think that to be true.
</div></div>
It is true, I hope it's not what brought him here. However, if it is what brought him here, I'm glad he's here to learn and share his experiences. Welcome to the hide.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
While it isn't practical to attempt to convert a 700 to straight pull, you might want to look into an AR-10 type platform that has been converted to manual operation and set up with a side charging handle. However, I believe you will find that the effort required to unlock these type of actions is actually more difficult than working a twin lug bolt action, especially one with a tactical knob that increases the leverage and decreases the effort. I have an AR-10, Schmidt-Rubin 1911 Rifle, and several 700's. If you have a tight round in the chamber of the AR-10 that you need to extract manually, it's a lot more difficult than the same situation in a 700. The straight pull Schmidt-Rubin, while a very well made design, doesn't feel any easier or faster to work than the 700. I like the 700 better. There are very good reasons why the 90° and 60° lift bolt actions have been much more popular than the straight pull designs.
While it isn't practical to attempt to convert a 700 to straight pull, you might want to look into an AR-10 type platform that has been converted to manual operation and set up with a side charging handle. However, I believe you will find that the effort required to unlock these type of actions is actually more difficult than working a twin lug bolt action, especially one with a tactical knob that increases the leverage and decreases the effort. I have an AR-10, Schmidt-Rubin 1911 Rifle, and several 700's. If you have a tight round in the chamber of the AR-10 that you need to extract manually, it's a lot more difficult than the same situation in a 700. The straight pull Schmidt-Rubin, while a very well made design, doesn't feel any easier or faster to work than the 700. I like the 700 better. There are very good reasons why the 90° and 60° lift bolt actions have been much more popular than the straight pull designs.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
I think so, especially when you have a difficult to extract case. However,if you have a phyical condition that makes the lifting motion more difficult than the straight pull motion, look into the converted AR-10 type rifles. You would get the accuracy and modularity of the platform with manual operation. They are basically AR-10's with the gas system removed and a side charging handle installed.
I think so, especially when you have a difficult to extract case. However,if you have a phyical condition that makes the lifting motion more difficult than the straight pull motion, look into the converted AR-10 type rifles. You would get the accuracy and modularity of the platform with manual operation. They are basically AR-10's with the gas system removed and a side charging handle installed.
Re: R700 Straight Pull?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zacg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So in general a traditional bolt action is more easily operated and efficient? </div></div>
Yep that is why there are so many of them, they only build what they can sell.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zacg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So in general a traditional bolt action is more easily operated and efficient? </div></div>
Yep that is why there are so many of them, they only build what they can sell.
