Sidearms & Scatterguns Race gun (pistol) trigger guard index finger ledge / muzzle rise control

[GetReal]

I'm familiar with "thumb ledges" used in race gun pistols to control muzzle rise.... you gotta drill and tap the receiver / frame

Anyone know of the same concept for the trigger guard, you could hook your left hand indexfinger over (right hand shooter) to control muzzle rise?

 

[gearguywb]

IMHO, thats not a great idea. I teach a lot of classes for competitive shooters and am not a fan of the whole thumb shelf, finger forward on the trigger guard thing.

 

[GetReal]

IMHO, thats not a great idea. I teach a lot of classes for competitive shooters and am not a fan of the whole thumb shelf, finger forward on the trigger guard thing.

I'm open to better ideas, but I'll need some "why?" Controlling the gun is necesary to "go faster."

 

[gearguywb]

The issue that I often see is the inability to keep the exact same pressure on the front of the trigger guard or thumb rest shot after shot. If that pressure is not exactly consistent, due to the leverage advantage, you will find that you often string shots vertically.

Much better is to use a strong, neutral grip where you have positive control but neutral enough that when the gun goes through the muzzle lift and recoil pulse, it returns to the same position shot after shot.

That after all, is the key to shooting faster. No one can keep a pistol from moving upward in recoil for multiple fast shots. Typically the folks trying to do this are far to "tight" and can not relax their arms/torso enough to be able to manipulate the gun quickly

 

[GetReal]

The issue that I often see is the inability to keep the exact same pressure on the front of the trigger guard or thumb rest shot after shot. If that pressure is not exactly consistent, due to the leverage advantage, you will find that you often string shots vertically.

Much better is to use a strong, neutral grip where you have positive control but neutral enough that when the gun goes through the muzzle lift and recoil pulse, it returns to the same position shot after shot.

That after all, is the key to shooting faster. No one can keep a pistol from moving upward in recoil for multiple fast shots. Typically the folks trying to do this are far to "tight" and can not relax their arms/torso enough to be able to manipulate the gun quickly

I can see whatcha mean withthe thumb ledge...it'll torque the gun.

I'm not looking for another / different kind of thumb ledge. I'm lookingfor an accentuated front trigger guard "ledge" ....basically a more pronounced version pf what Glock puts on their pistols, but adaptable to other pistol manufacturers....

 

[gearguywb]

Same thing there as well.

In more years than I care to count shooting USPSA/Masters/Bianchi/etc., I have only seen 1 top tier shooter use a finger forward hold.

 

[GetReal]

Same thing there as well.

In more years than I care to count shooting USPSA/Masters/Bianchi/etc., I have only seen 1 top tier shooter use a finger forward hold.

Thanx.

 

[Ankeny]

I have never seen an aftermarket accessory for the front of the trigger guard for any platform. The only top tier shooter that I know of who puts his index finger on the front of the trigger guard is Eric Grauffel (seven time World IPSC Champion) and he actually advises against that grip in his classes.

 

[GetReal]

I have never seen an aftermarket accessory for the front of the trigger guard for any platform. The only top tier shooter that I know of who puts his index finger on the front of the trigger guard is Eric Grauffel (seven time World IPSC Champion) and he actually advises against that grip in his classes.

It works for me. I dont shoot IPSC.

 

[gearguywb]

It will certainly work. The beauty of the competitive world is you not only find what works, but truly where specific techniques give you an advantage. It is the way we have figured out a lot of things related to shooting, whether in the rifle or pistol fields.

 

[WATERWALKER]

I’m not sure how much experienced you are as a pistol shooter so bear w/ me. We’re going to skip foot placement & assume your shooting from the isosceles position.

Instead of using a finger ledge, I’d suggest using a “clam shell” or “nutcracker” grip w/ a high purchase. This will lower your bore axis & reduce muzzle flip. Your grip pressure is pretty subjective & individual choice. I’ve heard guys say 60/40, 80/20 & even 100/100. *Obviously the majority of your grip support comes from your support side. When you extend your arms they should not be locked out at the elbows. They should have a slight bend to better accept recoil.

*You can’t eliminate recoil but you absolutely can mitigate its effects.

*I’d favor more of a 60/40 - 80/20 type grip vs a death grip. Ultimately, comes down to whatever helps the shooter to achieve center mass hits.

 

[GetReal]

It will certainly work. The beauty of the competitive world is you not only find what works, but truly where specific techniques give you an advantage. It is the way we have figured out a lot of things related to shooting, whether in the rifle or pistol fields.

One of the things I've learned about shooting is there are few universals. What works is what works for the individual, is trained to the point the individual does it every single time (consistency - whatever method you train with, don't train till you get it right, train till you can't get it wrong) ) and also gives the shooter a feeling of confidence.

There's ALOT to be said about "good mental vibes" in competetive shooting. If it makes the shooter more confident, then its likely a good thing / idea. Stress / tension / getting flustered are killers.