Information overload here... is there a fairly simple formula for ranging various distances using NF's mil-dot scope? I have the benchrest 12-42 w/ mil dots .125 moa clik like target height in inches x 27.77 / mildots ? thanks from the ol guy!
Rifle Scopes ranging with the NF mil dot scope
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Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
I beleive the 15x and 22x NF scopes range at the top power. For a scope such as yours there should be a ark on the power ring indicating the correct power at which to range. Not a very precise way of doing things IMO.
This is why First Focal plane scopes are so desirable esp in the higher magnifications as it dosnt matter what power you are at to range. Second Focal plane in 10x and even 15x are not too difficult but its easy to get lost in a 22x cranked all the way up.
Lots of info here but if you really want to make things easy on yourself spend the 22 bucks on a mildot master.
A.S.
I beleive the 15x and 22x NF scopes range at the top power. For a scope such as yours there should be a ark on the power ring indicating the correct power at which to range. Not a very precise way of doing things IMO.
This is why First Focal plane scopes are so desirable esp in the higher magnifications as it dosnt matter what power you are at to range. Second Focal plane in 10x and even 15x are not too difficult but its easy to get lost in a 22x cranked all the way up.
Lots of info here but if you really want to make things easy on yourself spend the 22 bucks on a mildot master.
A.S.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
+1 on mil-dot master unless you have a brain the size of a planet.
+1 on mil-dot master unless you have a brain the size of a planet.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
Lol ... 1 Mil-Dot Master ordered n paid for. My scope ranges @ 22x, I just wish they'd divided a mildot into @ least 4ths...less than one and over 1/2 gets pretty iffy
Lol ... 1 Mil-Dot Master ordered n paid for. My scope ranges @ 22x, I just wish they'd divided a mildot into @ least 4ths...less than one and over 1/2 gets pretty iffy
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
Ive never seen a NF that didn't range at the top power. +1 on the FFP. Milling pat 1K get pretty tough, snd I hsven't seen many people that can pull it off with 1st round hits after a long mil.
Ive never seen a NF that didn't range at the top power. +1 on the FFP. Milling pat 1K get pretty tough, snd I hsven't seen many people that can pull it off with 1st round hits after a long mil.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
The Nightforce MLR reticle has 0.2 mil marks at the ends of the reticle, which is nice for ranging.
Reticle ranging at long distances doesn't work very well. With a typical .308 load at 1000 yards, a 20-yard range error equates to a complete miss on a 20-inch target. Few people can range a target at that distance accurately enough to hit it.
But if you can spot the impact of the first round, a second-round hit is good, too.
The Nightforce MLR reticle has 0.2 mil marks at the ends of the reticle, which is nice for ranging.
Reticle ranging at long distances doesn't work very well. With a typical .308 load at 1000 yards, a 20-yard range error equates to a complete miss on a 20-inch target. Few people can range a target at that distance accurately enough to hit it.
But if you can spot the impact of the first round, a second-round hit is good, too.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: G-TAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ive never seen a NF that didn't range at the top power. +1 on the FFP. Milling pat 1K get pretty tough, snd I hsven't seen many people that can pull it off with 1st round hits after a long mil.</div></div>
The 8-32 and 12-42 do NOT range at max power of 32 and 42 respectively; they range around 22x. There is an area on the mag adjustment labeled as "R", which equates to about 22x. The other powers do indeed range at max power.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: G-TAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ive never seen a NF that didn't range at the top power. +1 on the FFP. Milling pat 1K get pretty tough, snd I hsven't seen many people that can pull it off with 1st round hits after a long mil.</div></div>
The 8-32 and 12-42 do NOT range at max power of 32 and 42 respectively; they range around 22x. There is an area on the mag adjustment labeled as "R", which equates to about 22x. The other powers do indeed range at max power.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 on mil-dot master unless you have a brain the size of a planet.</div></div>
True, the master does make ranging ridiculously easier. However, you really should know and use the laborious equation before using the master. The master should be used to make life easier, not as a crutch to be relied upon. Ranging is not my forte, and the equation is still not second nature to me, but I will not use the master until I have mastered the math.
10 years ago, when I used to fly, we used a flight computer called an E6B. It looks like a ruler with a round compass/protractor in the center, and is similar to the mildot master in functionality. This was the basic tool to use in flight planning and in-flight calculations. I also had a digital version of the E6B, which looked like a calculator and was so much easier to use. However, I was not allowed to get licensed until I could demonstrate proficiency with the slide rule version. It was laborious and I hated using it, but I would be up shit's creek if I didn't know how to use the slide rule and my digital E6B died on me while in-flight.
This also holds true in multiple facets of medicine. What if I am at a hospital with a crappy budget? Don't ever rely on technology for doing anything without understanding the archaic methodology first.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 on mil-dot master unless you have a brain the size of a planet.</div></div>
True, the master does make ranging ridiculously easier. However, you really should know and use the laborious equation before using the master. The master should be used to make life easier, not as a crutch to be relied upon. Ranging is not my forte, and the equation is still not second nature to me, but I will not use the master until I have mastered the math.
10 years ago, when I used to fly, we used a flight computer called an E6B. It looks like a ruler with a round compass/protractor in the center, and is similar to the mildot master in functionality. This was the basic tool to use in flight planning and in-flight calculations. I also had a digital version of the E6B, which looked like a calculator and was so much easier to use. However, I was not allowed to get licensed until I could demonstrate proficiency with the slide rule version. It was laborious and I hated using it, but I would be up shit's creek if I didn't know how to use the slide rule and my digital E6B died on me while in-flight.
This also holds true in multiple facets of medicine. What if I am at a hospital with a crappy budget? Don't ever rely on technology for doing anything without understanding the archaic methodology first.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
Lots of commercial aviation pilots are still carrying Jepp CR-5 flight computers in their shirt pockets.
Lots of commercial aviation pilots are still carrying Jepp CR-5 flight computers in their shirt pockets.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
Yeah, the MLR reticle from NF does indeed divide up a mil into quarters (.25mil)and although I've not heard from them, this would indeed facilitate much more accurate ranging @ distance. I'm hoping for a price they can swap my reticle for it, and still keep the magnification and objective size I now enjoy.
Getting a response from an email takes patience I'm learning.
I understand learning the hard way, believe me, but ranging is simply a small math problem if your able to accurately measure targetsize in mils, or in fractions of a mil as the case usually is @ distance. learning & developing the actual rise needed for your rifle n ammo is where I intend to spend my time learning.
If this blind ol man can ever acheive 1k yds with a .308 he'll be hard pressed to wipe the smile from his face!
Yeah, the MLR reticle from NF does indeed divide up a mil into quarters (.25mil)and although I've not heard from them, this would indeed facilitate much more accurate ranging @ distance. I'm hoping for a price they can swap my reticle for it, and still keep the magnification and objective size I now enjoy.
Getting a response from an email takes patience I'm learning.
I understand learning the hard way, believe me, but ranging is simply a small math problem if your able to accurately measure targetsize in mils, or in fractions of a mil as the case usually is @ distance. learning & developing the actual rise needed for your rifle n ammo is where I intend to spend my time learning.
If this blind ol man can ever acheive 1k yds with a .308 he'll be hard pressed to wipe the smile from his face!
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
Unlike the E6B, the Mil dot master is probably the fastest method.
I still carry an E6B and a small black marker in my flight bag. Mostly because I can't see the small numbers any more on the bezel of my flight computer watch.
But I have completely lost the will to stay current with an ADF, and would rather be lost.
Unlike the E6B, the Mil dot master is probably the fastest method.
I still carry an E6B and a small black marker in my flight bag. Mostly because I can't see the small numbers any more on the bezel of my flight computer watch.
But I have completely lost the will to stay current with an ADF, and would rather be lost.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
I'm with you. I don't fly any more, but I'm glad that I don't have to do NDB approaches.
Just carry a GPS.
I'm with you. I don't fly any more, but I'm glad that I don't have to do NDB approaches.
Just carry a GPS.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just carry a GPS.
</div></div>Yup: a handheld GPS will get you to the threshold of a runway in a pinch, just don't use it as a primary nav aid and you won't incur the wrath of the FAA.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just carry a GPS.
Re: ranging with the NF mil dot scope
I remember when I was a student, on my 3 leg 150 mile solo. I half-assed the flight plan and figured that I would just use the vortac. I get up over the LI sound into Connecticut, and turn on the vortac, only to find that it was busted. I had no idea where the friggin airport was. I was so worried that I almost shit myself in the plane. I looked at the map, established my position via dead reckoning and I picked a heading that just felt right to me. Talk about lucky, out in the distance I saw myself lined up dead on with the runway on about an 8 mile final, right after I called up the ATC like a pussy and asked where the hell I was. Dude must have thought I was a complete moron.
I remember when I was a student, on my 3 leg 150 mile solo. I half-assed the flight plan and figured that I would just use the vortac. I get up over the LI sound into Connecticut, and turn on the vortac, only to find that it was busted. I had no idea where the friggin airport was. I was so worried that I almost shit myself in the plane. I looked at the map, established my position via dead reckoning and I picked a heading that just felt right to me. Talk about lucky, out in the distance I saw myself lined up dead on with the runway on about an 8 mile final, right after I called up the ATC like a pussy and asked where the hell I was. Dude must have thought I was a complete moron.
