The man literally said "I will not comply" in his court response to the cease and desist, sued the DOJ and ATF: https://theinfidel.co/blogs/news/rare-breed-triggers-response-letter-to-the-atf-cease-and-desist
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U h, I think there is more to it than "fuck you"
The fact presented by his lawyer that there is no evaluation report to sustain the ATF order is the key here, IMO.
I hope he kicks their butt for this half ass attempt at regulatory restriction.
The fact presented by his lawyer that there is no evaluation report to sustain the ATF order is the key here, IMO.
I hope he kicks their butt for this half ass attempt at regulatory restriction.
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Never had a need, or even a desire for one of these triggers, but damned if I don’t feel like buying one now!
Much respect to companies that fight unlawful bureaucracy. I didn't want one before but I might just to support them.
I just checked and it shows out of stock, but I sent them an email thanking them for not rolling over to their flip flop.
I just checked and it shows out of stock, but I sent them an email thanking them for not rolling over to their flip flop.
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That was beautiful. It could have simply said, "You are not following the law or your own rules, so kiss my ass." But when you get paid by the page..
Shall not be infringed! How could this be anymore clear.
SHALL
SHALL
- (in the first person) expressing the future tense.
"this time next week I shall be in Scotland"
- 2.
expressing a strong assertion or intention.
"they shall succeed"
Boy, mainstreet can sleep easy knowing these triggers won’t be sold 
Fuck the ATF, sorry but when little druggie biden clearly BSs the 4473 and tosses a pistol in a trash can next to a school, it makes the news, and these ATF clowns do NOTHING, they have no credibility
Fuck the ATF, sorry but when little druggie biden clearly BSs the 4473 and tosses a pistol in a trash can next to a school, it makes the news, and these ATF clowns do NOTHING, they have no credibility
I just checked their site and they are out of stock. After reading that letter I want one, lol.
That was a well written letter. It was actually inspiring. I look forward to see the outcome. And, as stated above, I never had interest in a "bump" trigger or whatever is the 'technical' description, but I just might have to contribute to the lawyer fund to help it along. 
Well written or not... look at the letterhead. Looks like a single attorney with an assistant. His website lists his areas of expertise as criminal defense, personal injury and "business matters." He might be a great all around attorney, but his practice is pretty diverse and he doesn't have the team behind him needed to offer up any meaningful resistance.
My money's on this not ending well. They'll get steam rolled. Hopefully I'm wrong....
My money's on this not ending well. They'll get steam rolled. Hopefully I'm wrong....
From what I understand, the attorney is the owner, or possibly, one of the owners of rare breed. Loved the response and I guess I’ll buy one when they come back in stock.
They have a mailing list and will send you an email when they are in stock- just in case you are interested...
I see them “in stock” but when I try to purchase it takes me straight to coinbase to pay. No other payment option. Weird.
will try again when I get home and not on my phone.
will try again when I get home and not on my phone.
Agreed that this is the most likely outcome, but I'm pulling for the little guy.
Rare Breed to the ATF:
Well written letter by Mr. Maxwell
Not everyone can afford a $1k per hour lawyer.
Haven't you seen "better call Saul" LOL
Not everyone can afford a $1k per hour lawyer.
Haven't you seen "better call Saul" LOL
May be a small attorney. But the GOA may be in talks to help. Guess we will see as this rolls along. (We all know the NRA ain't going to do shit.)
The NRA is probably working with the ATF to shut rare breed down.
Rare breed knew this would happen. That’s why they put lengthy video on their site with an attorney speaking attorney speak. They were trying nip it in the bud. Besides, it is my understanding that ATF only enforces existing laws derived from the legislative branch.
Gets even better, here is some of RBT's due diligence: https://theinfidel.co/blogs/news/fo...rick-vasquezs-letter-on-the-rare-breed-frt-15
Im sure the NRA will put the full support of its membership behind this just as soon as Wayne gets the right suit.
Problem is the legislative branch realized it could avoid accountability to its constituents by creating letter agencies to draft CFRs that carry the weight of law.
Don't like the mask mandate in your kids school?
Your congressman will agree with you to your face and say it wasn't him....it was CDC and Dept of Education.
Seems odd to me an order to cease/desist manufacturing on anything should come from Washington not some local satellite office in Tampa. Especially considering there doesn't seem to be proof of any NFA violation, not even close. I think they are using the "beat up on the little guy" routine to eat the elephant "one bite at a time". This is a slippery slope to allow these administrative dictats to be treated as law. At least they are fighting back!!
What has happened lately is some minor desk position on "their own initiative" sends out a cease and desist.
If it works great.
If they get pushback higher office says that was never supposed to be sent out but now that everyone is aware of the problem CFRs will be reviewed to end this "egregious violation".
more docs out now, two more ATF experts, NOT a machine gun: https://theinfidel.co/blogs/news/ra...-luettke-and-mccann-not-a-machine-gun-letters
Shame the whole qualified immunity bit, if those who signed their names would likely lose their jobs and homes and end up with a record they made them unemployable, like those the ATF set their sights on, we might actually see some progress.
Only looking at the drawing it seems the way this works is the tail end of the bolt carrier hits a lever that forces the trigger to reset and as long as the shooter maintains "pull" input the rifle will fire as fast as the bolt will cycle.
But still....trigger gets pulled for each individual round.
ATF has a lot of definitions that seem fucked up.
Neither the frame nor the upper of any semi-auto meets the definition of "firearm" on its own yet a P320 trigger is a firearm but the frame and slide are neither.
Stop regulating inanimate objects and worry about user abuse.
But still....trigger gets pulled for each individual round.
ATF has a lot of definitions that seem fucked up.
Neither the frame nor the upper of any semi-auto meets the definition of "firearm" on its own yet a P320 trigger is a firearm but the frame and slide are neither.
Stop regulating inanimate objects and worry about user abuse.
That's what I thought when they first came out, but it requires technique. Owners were saying if you gorilla grip the trigger, it will not fire again. Let's say the FRT reset lever has 4lb of force, if you pull back harder than that it won't reset properly. I believe the BCG will also not close all the way as that lever is blocking the final travel distance. To operate, the shooter needs to maintain more pressure than the trigger break weight, but less than the lever reset force.
Someone who actually owns one should jump in if this is wrong.
If you look at the drawings, that is essentially correct. There is a lever that is tripped when the carrier goes into battery. This lever pushes the trigger forward so that it will reset. If you hold the trigger with enough pressure, you can prevent that little lever from moving and also prevent the bolt carrier from going fully into battery.
Thank you.
Makes great sense.
I was kind of thinking if you had to take the banging of the bolt for a bunch of cycle your trigger finger would eventually be beat to mush.
I guess you have to be just under the return pressure of the recoil spring with your press.
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