Rattle..Rattle….

[Mike_Honcho]

[h=1]Pentagon Confirms Russia Violated US Airspace 16 Times In Last 10 Days, "Not Just Training Missions"[/h]
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-07/pentagon-confirms-russia-violated-us-airspace-16-times-last-10-days-not-just-trainin

[h=1]US Missile-Cruiser Returns To Black Sea To "Promote Peace And Stability"[/h]
US Missile-Cruiser Returns To Black Sea To "Promote Peace And Stability" | Zero Hedge


[h=1]It Begins: Canada To Send Military Equipment To Ukraine[/h]
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-07/it-begins-canada-send-military-equipment-ukraine


[h=1]NATO, Polish PM Warn Of Russian Intervention In Ukraine[/h]
NATO, Polish PM Warn Of Russian Intervention In Ukraine




Someone sure is pushing for it…….

 

[I Am Hero]

Poke, Poke, Poke...who's going to throw the first punch?

 

[alpine44]

Can someone explain to me in simple terms why we (USA) are getting involved in Ukraine's relation with its neighbor Russia.

From the interwebz:

Why is Crimea important to Ukraine and Russia?
Crimea region is an autonomous part of Ukraine, but has a majority people of Russian dissent. It is also strategically located as it almost touches Russia in the east. Crimea is the location of Sevastopol, Russian naval fleet in the Black Sea. In 2010, Russia and Ukraine signed a treaty that would extend Russian naval presence until 2042.

How has Crimea became part of Ukraine?
In 1954 Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev gave the peninsula as a gift to Ukraine. Crimea became part of Ukraine, but as an autonomous part of the country.

 

[sharac]

Simple doctrine (Wolfowitz doctrine) in play. Prevent anyone to get strong enough to challenge the strongest, but since things are not so simple there is also other benefits of finding external enemy (or internal) such as everyone looks at Russia instead of domestic/economic problems etc... In Yugoslavia after the war there was constant mantra of "external enemy never sleeps" and such similar crap with enemy being either vague and undefined or whomever would fit at any given time. The more things change the more they are the same. We pathetic little creatures consider ourselves advanced and civilized, informed and oh so much knowledgeable than our ancestors all the while it is us who are a shame and disgrace to our forefathers repeating their mistakes over and over again.

Little propaganda from the East side for you MSM oriented ones ...

 

[Maggot]

As with all, follow the $$$. Who would benefit?

The manufacturers of Kalashnikov rifles.
Weapons manufacturers ion both sides.
All associated industries.
Convenient how this pops up just as Iraq/Astan wind down.
Putin as he gains influence.

???

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Can someone explain to me in simple terms why we (USA) are getting involved in Ukraine's relation with its neighbor Russia.

(7:27) Since 1991 we've only spent $5Billion to "assist the Ukrainian state to move in the right direction" does that really count as getting involved?


Dig the sponsors…..


The distilled answer to your question: Propping up the dollar and US hegemony over Europe. Traditionally the dollar has done well when the world is on fire, also Europe (and particularly Germany) has developed too close of ties with Russia - primarily due to energy supplies. Don't forget though - even though they are not on stage for this act, China is part of the show.

A more detailed answer involves the reasons why the dollar has shit the bed since Bretton Woods, thereby triggering a series of US defaults and by all accounts (if the current trajectory is not radically altered - war anyone?) the Dollar will be superseded as the world's reserve currency by the Renminbi / basket of currency / Special Drawing Rights / partially gold backed something or another.

It is a very big subject and one that really is not appropriate for this venue.

The best way to get a cliff notes handle on some of what is going on is to read some of Zbigniew Brzezinski's works. On that note, may I suggest The Grand Chessboard http://www.takeoverworld.info/Grand_Chessboard.pdf

 

[c1steve]

The Ukrainians need help, and they are on our side. They will stand up to the Russian government, which is our interests, their interests, and Europe's interest. This is a win-win-win situation. Letting the Russian government have their way would show the US has little resolve and would promote Putin's agenda of taking as much as he can.

Resisting aggressive Putin now will pay big dividends later.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

The only thing to gain from the Ukraine is debt…...

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Back to reasons.....


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-09/de-dollarization-accelerates-chinarussia-complete-currency-swap-agreement

 

[woojos]

IMO, this is all related to natural gas and energies needs: BP's Latest Estimate Says World's Oil Will Last 53.3 Years | Zero Hedge.

Whoever can supply this fundamental energy resources, pretty much has a stranglehold on the region, as access to cheap energy is a fundamental factor of economic growth. As energy costs increase, so do prices on pretty much everything.

Right now, Europe's natural gas is partly Russian supplied by pipelines through Ukraine. Russia can simply turn off the pump, and Europe will hurt badly. The competing option is shipping in Liquified natural gas, which is of course inefficient: Shell Prelude Floating Liquefied Natural Gas Facility | Largest Ship in the World, however it benefits American interests. Russia is using this simple fact as leverage for greater influence and power.

The other place to watch is the South China Sea.

This isn't just to prop up the so-called military/intelligence complex, Maggot. Right now they are our best friends, as the world is going to go through some very fundamental changes this century. Hopefully things will work out without nukes flying but if they do, they are our best chance for survival.