RBG back in the hospital.......

ditter

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Wishing ill will to a 87 year old woman in a hospital? Pretty weak.
 

winklche

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By this point Trump shouldn't be able to appoint another Supreme Court justice anyway, if we're going to stick to the standard set in 2015.
 

winklche

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There is no "standard". There are no fucking rules. If the liberals think precedent means anything, they will be sorely disappointed.

Whose side are you on?
Frankly, I'm on the side of decency. Back in 2015 Republicans blocked vote on the confirmation of Obama's SC pick because it was so close to the election that the decision should be left up to the voter. I tend to agree with the sentiment. Democrats play this game all the time. They set a standard then hold everyone but themselves to the standard. It's disgusting. I don't want either side playing that game.

EDIT: I didn't realize the standard was for the second term of presidency.
 
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clcustom1911

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    Frankly, I'm on the side of decency. Back in 2015 Republicans blocked vote on the confirmation of Obama's SC pick because it was so close to the election that the decision should be left up to the voter. I tend to agree with the sentiment. Democrats play this game all the time. They set a standard then hold everyone but themselves to the standard. It's disgusting. I don't want either side playing that game.
    Its a good thing we don't actually live in a democracy. We are a Republic.
     

    Rthur

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    And how do you think that ad will play in some hotly contested senate seats?
    MSM is going to portray anyone not on the blue team as the devil incarnate.
    Might as well get the mileage.
    The high road had gotten us to where we are.
    They've been having a knife fight while we bitch at each other about optics.

    R
     

    winklche

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    MSM is going to portray anyone not on the blue team as the devil incarnate.
    Might as well get the mileage.
    The high road had gotten us to where we are.
    They've been having a knife fight while we bitch at each other about optics.

    R
    It's a fair point but the high road definitely isn't why we're here. The reason we're here is because the radicals have been given time and energy to shift the culture, while republicans have been too focused on elections. Culture hasn't shifted to the right since Reagan reshaped the view of the purpose of government.
     

    vh20

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    Frankly, I'm on the side of decency. Back in 2015 Republicans blocked vote on the confirmation of Obama's SC pick because it was so close to the election that the decision should be left up to the voter. I tend to agree with the sentiment. Democrats play this game all the time. They set a standard then hold everyone but themselves to the standard. It's disgusting. I don't want either side playing that game.
    Uh, NO. Obama was at the end of his SECOND term in 2016. Regardless of the outcome of the election, there was NO WAY he could continue to be President. The winner would be either Trump or Clinton, and the decision “should be” theirs. THAT was the argument that was put forth. In this case, Trump is still eligible to be President. From a practical standpoint however, there’s no way they’re going to approve someone between now and November so it’s probably best for Trump if she makes it past the election. Her death could very well motivate Dems to get out the vote. I don’t wish her any ill will, but she needs to get off the court.
     

    deersniper

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    I hope she retires then recovers full health. I'll let the other side be the ones who wish harm on people because of their political beliefs.
    Yes political beliefs. That would take away all your freedom and put you in perpetual slavery to the oligharchy and non workers.

    Smh


    They can all go die


    This isn’t I like yellow and they like green.
     

    Rthur

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    It's a fair point but the high road definitely isn't why we're here. The reason we're here is because the radicals have been given time and energy to shift the culture, while republicans have been too focused on elections. Culture hasn't shifted to the right since Reagan reshaped the view of the purpose of government.
    Right, they've been unchecked in society.
    My point exactly.
    Silent majority was entirely to silent.

    R
     

    winklche

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    The Supreme Court has run unchecked for far too long. They've become an extension of the legislature. Perhaps it's time they be elected for a term, not appointed for life.
     
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    Frankly, I'm on the side of decency. Back in 2015 Republicans blocked vote on the confirmation of Obama's SC pick because it was so close to the election that the decision should be left up to the voter. I tend to agree with the sentiment. Democrats play this game all the time. They set a standard then hold everyone but themselves to the standard. It's disgusting. I don't want either side playing that game.
    That was because Republicans had enough votes to stop the nomination. Now that we have enough votes to pass a republican nominee if there is a vacancy it is what we must do. The survival of the Republic may depend on it.
     

    sirhrmechanic

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    The standard for late term appointment is in the last six months of a second term. Not a first. And there is no standard, simply a course that the Senate has followed. But I believe in traditions. And if she holds out until July 2024 we will have to wait and let President Flynn appoint her replacement.

    sirhr
     

    thestoicmarcusaurelius

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    SCOTUS has gone off the rails

    Thomas is about the only one left worth a damn

    Scalia is sorely missed

    Even Alito who is fairly conservative on criminal procedure and first amendment and civil rights; votes much more often with the left on tax issues and federalism issues than he does with conservative justices
     

    ggladck

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    SCOTUS has gone off the rails

    Thomas is about the only one left worth a damn

    Scalia is sorely missed

    Even Alito who is fairly conservative on criminal procedure and first amendment and civil rights; votes much more often with the left on tax issues and federalism issues than he does with conservative justices
    Politicization of the SCOTUS is bastardization of our government. Judgement of court based on decisions rather than the legal arguments is ridiculous. Regardless if you agree with the outcome, the SCOTUS is doing what it's supposed to do - upholding the written law.

    Frankly all notions of conservative or liberal should be irrelevant when it comes to the court, it's sad that it's not.
     
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    thestoicmarcusaurelius

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    Politicization of the SCOTUS is bastardization of our government. Judgement of court based on decisions rather than the legal arguments is ridiculous. Regardless if you agree with the outcome, the SCOTUS is doing what it's supposed to do - upholding the written law.
    LOL

    That's basically the opposite of what SCOTUS does in practice
     

    winklche

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    Politicization of the SCOTUS is bastardization of our government. Judgement of court based on decisions rather than the legal arguments is ridiculous.

    Frankly all notions of conservative or liberal should be irrelevant when it comes to the court, it's sad that it's not.
    You're not wrong here, except conservative and liberal have become a cover for originalist vs activist. Originalists typically read the law as it was written at the time because it's the legislature's job to keep up with the times. Activists read things into the law that they think it should cover, so they end up backfilling for the legislature.
    Regardless if you agree with the outcome, the SCOTUS is doing what it's supposed to do - upholding the written law.
    That's definitely not what they've been doing. They've been actively rewriting laws to make them constitutional instead of telling the legislature to fix their fuck up.
     
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    You're not wrong here, except conservative and liberal have become a cover for originalist vs activist. Originalists typically read the law as it was written at the time because it's the legislature's job to keep up with the times. Activists read things into the law that they think it should cover, so they end up backfilling for the legislature.

    That's definitely not what they've been doing. They've been actively rewriting laws to make them constitutional instead of telling the legislature to fix their fuck up.

    What arguments against the reasoning in the judgments do you have? As far as I've seen no one has deviated from their constitutional interpretation. (literal/textual, priori cases, etc). Happy to see some evidence against that.

    I'm sick of people just saying "they turned liberal". That's a stupid argument by people who refuse to think. Frankly I don't keep up with politics because of this, but the original scotus logic for the past few cases was sound to me.
     

    winklche

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    What arguments against the reasoning in the judgments do you have? As far as I've seen no one has deviated from their constitutional interpretation. (literal/textual, priori cases, etc). Happy to see some evidence against that.
    The rewriting of title 7 to include discrimination based on sexual orientation or transgender status even though they explicitly distinguished sex from orientation. Title 7 says nothing about orientation, only sex. This also causes direct conflicts of the other parts of the civil rights act like title 9

    The rewriting of the Obamacare penalty for not having health insurance as a tax

    The reading of abortion rights into due process through the right to privacy (which I'm not sure how the right to privacy is included in the right to due process)

    Just to name a few over the years
     

    thestoicmarcusaurelius

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    Politicization of the SCOTUS is bastardization of our government. Judgement of court based on decisions rather than the legal arguments is ridiculous. Regardless if you agree with the outcome, the SCOTUS is doing what it's supposed to do - upholding the written law.

    Frankly all notions of conservative or liberal should be irrelevant when it comes to the court, it's sad that it's not.
    LOL

    Somebody has never read Marbury v. Madison hahaha
     
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