Sidearms & Scatterguns Red dot on Glock without slide cut?

[Jayjay1]

Hey guys,
milling a slide is just a pita over here, so I´m looking for a good alternative.

Are there bulletproofed solutions to mount a red dot on a Glock without a slide cut?

I want to add a Steiner MPS on a Glock 31.

I´ve found this on youtube, beginning at 2:55 min.:


But no Steiner MPS (Aimpoint Acro footprint) there.

 

[SanPatHogger]

I used something similar. It came loose repeatedly.

 

[waveslayer]

Yes. Get the UM Tactical mount, I use it all the time. It works well! Plus, you only need one holster for any weapon with their mount. Have issues, PM me

 

[Jayjay1]

Hey waveslayer,
thank you, but I want it mounted on the slide.
It is not for sport shooting, sorry.

 

[waveslayer]

Going full hunter or ccw?

 

[Jayjay1]

Hunting in brush country.

 

[dirtybores]

I use that mount on a g43 in my overnight bag. It doesn't come "loose" like you could jiggle it, but it certainly flexes and the zero walks around. For defensive close range point-n-shoot I trust it about like just looking down the slide. Its not ideal.

 

[Bluedog82]

I don’t think you’ll find a bulletproof method that doesn’t involve cutting the slide. JAGERWERKS does a great job and during one of their sales you should be out the door for $150 or less.

 

[M4guru]

Raven made the only one I ever saw that stayed put. They're out of production and have been for almost a decade but you might be able to find one somewhere.

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/raven-balor-rmr-mount/

 

[sgtsmmiii]

This one is nice Bobro Glock Mount .

 

[Hoyter87]

FITS GLOCK MOS (19 / 17 / 26 / 34 / etc.) - C&H Precision

Browse Glock MOS Products from CHPWS | Glock MOS Adapter Plates for sale

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[M4guru]

FITS GLOCK MOS (19 / 17 / 26 / 34 / etc.) - C&H Precision

Browse Glock MOS Products from CHPWS | Glock MOS Adapter Plates for sale

chpws.com

Quite literally the opposite of what OP asked for.

 

[Hoyter87]

Quite literally the opposite of what OP asked for.

Didn't realize he meant for his dovetail. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[91Eunozs]

You can just do it yourself…mine turned out great!

 

[Jadazu]

OP,

Are you able to purchase a replacement slide? The best deal for me was to buy a non-Glock slide made with the optic cut.

I did use the dovetail mount plate first, to tryout the RDS I thought I wanted. The dovetail slot mount is not 100% solid, as mentioned above. If you do use one, you can bed it with thickened epoxy between the sight base plate and the slide, to fill the gaps. Color the epoxy black...

 

[Jayjay1]

Jadazu, I will check that.
Might be a bit tricky because of the restrictions but I´ll make a try.

 

[91Eunozs]

What restrictions? The slide is just a part on a Glock; the registered firearm is the frame.

There are literally dozens of reputable companies making race gun parts with aggressive milling to lighten the weight of the reciprocating mass, and with any slide cut you want for mounting an optic without having to use an adapter plate.

Glockmeister, Glock Store, Palmetto State Armory (Dagger), etc. Just off the top of my head…

Here’s one a friend has on a couple pistols: https://www.deltateamtactical.com/complete-slides-pistol-kits-glock-compatible.html

 

[M4guru]

What restrictions? The slide is just a part on a Glock; the registered firearm is the frame.

In the US, yes that is the case. In Europe and other parts of the world, it is very different.

 

[LeftyJason]

Jadazu, I will check that.
Might be a bit tricky because of the restrictions but I´ll make a try.

What country are you in?

 

[Jayjay1]

I´m in "free" Germany.

 

[Jayjay1]

Allrighty guys,
I highly appreciate you, sharing your experiences and infos.

I´ve fired an E-mail to a gunsmith over here, who is well-known for milling pistol, especially Glock slides.
The Red Dot has to be rock solid on the slide, no compromises are allowed, so I will go with a slide cut finally.

Now I have to decide which cut I should order, and that´s the next question I have.
The market with Red Dots seems to explode lately and the enclosed ones might be the winners in the future.
From those I like the Steiner MPS more than the Acro for some reason (price, width of the glass, etc.).
But the cut for the Steiner would cost me my rear sight, and I don´t like the idea or the look of the rear sight in front of the the Red Dot.

So, which is the most common cut which might fit the most Red Dots, the RMR?
And if I´m choosing that cut, will I be able to mount any dot with Aapter plates?

Either way, thanks for your help inhere.

 

[Bluedog82]

Allrighty guys,
I highly appreciate you, sharing your experiences and infos.

I´ve fired an E-mail to a gunsmith over here, who is well-known for milling pistol, especially Glock slides.
The Red Dot has to be rock solid on the slide, no compromises are allowed, so I will go with a slide cut finally.

Now I have to decide which cut I should order, and that´s the next question I have.
The market with Red Dots seems to explode lately and the enclosed ones might be the winners in the future.
From those I like the Steiner MPS more than the Acro for some reason (price, width of the glass, etc.).
But the cut for the Steiner would cost me my rear sight, and I don´t like the idea or the look of the rear sight in front of the the Red Dot.

So, which is the most common cut which might fit the most Red Dots, the RMR?
And if I´m choosing that cut, will I be able to mount any dot with Aapter plates?

Either way, thanks for your help inhere.

RMR is most common, and yes you should be able to mount anything with adapter plates.

 

[Jadazu]

I would choose the sight and mill the slide to that footprint. Glock adapter plates seem secure, but are a thin piece of molded-metal, for what that's worth.

I think enclosed emitter sights are the way to go. With small enclosed sights now, I can't think of a reason to use an open emitter sight. I have a Holosun EPS (yes, Chinesium) on my everyday pistol. This after using Trijicon RMR's. The AImpiont Acro is excellent, but larger.

ETA: PS, without the MOS plate, some of the sights are low enough to use stock hight iron sights.

 

[Jayjay1]

Like I wrote above, I will let the slide mill.

I like the Steiner MPS, but it seems it is too large to keep the rear sights.

With my lack of experience:
Is there an advantage if the "iron" sights are aligned with the dot?

In my imagination I would have the dot free flying above the irons, to see more.
But the irons so high, that I can barely see them in the dot as a backup sight if the dot dies.

Am I wrong?

 

[CavReconScout]

FWIW I like my handgun sights with a lower 1/3 or so co-witness. They aren’t in the way or distracting, but there if they are needed.

 

[CavReconScout]

Maybe this will help.

 

[Jadazu]

"Is there an advantage if the "iron" sights are aligned with the dot?"

(I'm not sure what you are asking. Please ignore the following if you already know this... ) When your eye is above the line of the iron sights, you will see the dot above the iron sights, same is true for left and right. when you see the dot, anywhere in the window, the dot is on the point-of-impact. You have an area, projected behind the gun, equal to the area of the sight window, in which you can see the dot. It is not a large area, but it is bigger than the single 'point' at which your eye lines up with the front and rear iron sights.

The big advantage of the RDS is that it is para-focal, in that you can focus both of your eyes on the target, and also have the red dot in focus, without having the left eye / right parallax when focusing one eye on the front sight.

ETA: "Am I wrong?" Reading your post again, I think you are correct.