Redding Premium Carbide Dies: 6mm Creed (No lube required?)

[Cold_Bore_88]

I need to buy some 6 creed reloading dies. I have historically stuck to Forster dies and had good luck. However, a bud of mine recently told me about the Redding carbide dies. He indicated that you don’t need to use lube when’s sizing with a carbide die. Is this correct?

I did some research online and didn’t see the “no lube required” statement made anywhere. Any reason y’all would recommend a carbide die over a standard tool steel die?

I am a lazy reloader so the “no lube” idea intrigued me.

 

[Ryridesmotox]

You need lube.

The carbide just lasts longer than normal steel

 

[spife7980]

Some people dont lube straight wall pistol cases in carbide dies.

For a shouldered rifle case youre going to want to lube it no matter what.
And if you dont... it will only take you trying one case to begin lubing.

 

[Baddog 0302]

Go straight to the "horse's mouth" {Redding} for your info. Redding offers carbide BUSHINGs, for their series of dies that use bushings that are used to neck size ONLY cases
You say 6 CM, so I'm guessing fired in a bolt gun ? If you are using Hornady or Starline brass with the LRP pockets you can use any neck or FL die, IF you are using any brass that takes SRP's you are going to need a die that works with the SRP flash holes "ask me how I know"

But even using a conventional neck die, it's good to use a dry Lube on the inside of the case's neck

 

[spife7980]

Go straight to the "horse's mouth" {Redding} for your info. Redding offers carbide BUSHINGs, for their series of dies that use bushings that are used to neck size ONLY cases
You say 6 CM, so I'm guessing fired in a bolt gun ? If you are using Hornady or Starline brass with the LRP pockets you can use any neck or FL die, IF you are using any brass that takes SRP's you are going to need a die that works with the SRP flash holes "ask me how I know"

But even using a conventional neck die, it's good to use a dry Lube on the inside of the case's neck

1) the bushings arent even carbide, they are TiN. So you may want to go back to the well where that horses mouth was drunk from and read up some more yourself. Maybe youre thinking of the carbide expander balls they offer?
2) it likely could have been confused information with the entire die bodies that are carbon.

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"Titanium carbide differs considerably from tungsten carbides, and is the ideal material for lubeless resizing of cartridge cases."

And the primer size has nothing to do with the sizing die. If you mean that the small primer could also hae a small flash hole and the decapping pin will interfere then sure, get a .059 decapping pin but just because it has a small primer doesnt mean it has a small flash hole.

 

[Steel head]

Don’t use lube and report back please!

 

[spife7980]

Don’t use lube and report back please!

You get friction burns

 

[Cold_Bore_88]

1) the bushings arent even carbide, they are TiN. So you may want to go back to the well where that horses mouth was drunk from and read up some more yourself. Maybe youre thinking of the carbide expander balls they offer?
2) it likely could have been confused information with the entire die bodies that are carbon.

Titanium Carbide Die Sets - Redding Reloading Equipment: reloading equipment for rifles, handguns, pistols, revolvers and SAECO bullet casting equipment

Reloading equipment for rifles, handguns, pistols, revolvers, custom dies, bullet casting equipment, powder measuring and weighing equipment, bullet seating dies

www.redding-reloading.com

"Titanium carbide differs considerably from tungsten carbides, and is the ideal material for lubeless resizing of cartridge cases."

And the primer size has nothing to do with the sizing die. If you mean that the small primer could also hae a small flash hole and the decapping pin will interfere then sure, get a .059 decapping pin but just because it has a small primer doesnt mean it has a small flash hole.

Thanks for the help guys. I confirmed that most high end dies come with a .059” pin. I may just stick with the Forster given the good results I have had.

 

[Steel head]

You get friction burns

^^^^^
rough rider!

 

[Snuby642]

I hate the lube process no matter what product is used.

I have on single stage with standard dies found that after you get s fiew rounds done you can start skipping every other round.

I polished my expanders.

The third round will give you problems.

Imperial wax outside and Imperial dry lube inside.

I tried no lube on a carbide 223 once.

Got the case out in only 35 minutes or so.

Even strait wall cases in carbide get a little spritz of something.
The dillon just runs better with it in my opinion.

If you have good luck with a particular brand of dies stick to them.

Maybe carbide dies are less dependent on lube, but dry humping them is not working for me.

 

[Pvt.Donut]

Thanks for the help guys. I confirmed that most high end dies come with a .059” pin. I may just stick with the Forster given the good results I have had.

I think LE Wilson FL Bushing dies come with both size decapping assemblies.

 

[Snuby642]

Would it not be easy enough to open up the flash hole the 5-7 thousands from 2mm to the 1/16th ?
One time operaration.

 

[Ryridesmotox]

I hate the lube process no matter what product is used.

I have on single stage with standard dies found that after you get s fiew rounds done you can start skipping every other round.

I polished my expanders.

The third round will give you problems.

Imperial wax outside and Imperial dry lube inside.

I tried no lube on a carbide 223 once.

Got the case out in only 35 minutes or so.

Even strait wall cases in carbide get a little spritz of something.
The dillon just runs better with it in my opinion.

If you have good luck with a particular brand of dies stick to them.

Maybe carbide dies are less dependent on lube, but dry humping them is not working for me.

I lube my pistol cases when I do my sizing/ depriming, even with carbide dies

 

[Snuby642]

It was 38 special and I was getting a hard down stroke and a poping noise.

Finally traced it to the crimp die after fooling with adjustments and dismantling it started working fine for a while then acted up again.

Finaly lubed it and all was well.

So no more without lube for me.

 

[Steel head]

It was 38 special and I was getting a hard down stroke and a poping noise.

Finally traced it to the crimp die after fooling with adjustments and dismantling it started working fine for a while then acted up again.

Finaly lubed it and all was well.

So no more without lube for me.

I spray all my pistol brass lightly with one shot.
Makes the sizing smooth as butter.

 

[supercorndogs]

I have never lubed a straight wall case in many thousands loaded. Mostly 40 S&W and 44 mag. I did 1k 9mm on Monday.

 

[Steel head]

I have never lubed a straight wall case in many thousands loaded. Mostly 40 S&W and 44 mag. I did 1k 9mm on Monday.

It’s not necessary but you should try it.
It’s NICE!

 

[supercorndogs]

Hard pass.

 

[Steel head]

Hard pass.

^^^^^
Ham fisted gorilla!

 

[Snuby642]

We made many successful hand gun rounds on the dillon dry.

But is so much smoother and without the annoying clank and grind.

Honestly have not seen a perfomance difference.

 

[lightman]

I have never lubed a straight wall case in many thousands loaded. Mostly 40 S&W and 44 mag. I did 1k 9mm on Monday.

I'm another that never lubed straight wall cases when sizing with a carbide die. I mean, thats the reason I bought carbide! Right? Then I started in on a few thousand 38 supers and lube really made it much easier. So I have started using lube on the higher pressure cartridges like 10mm and 38 Super. It saves a lot of effort.

I think the original post was about bottle neck cases being sized in carbide dies and yes, they need lube.

 

[Jscb1b]

Don't over lube. You will dent shoulders.