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Re: reloader 17
As far as I know it doesn't. A lot of people still use it though.
As far as I know it doesn't. A lot of people still use it though.
Re: reloader 17
It's not as temp stable as H4350, but it is still pretty temp stable.
It's not as temp stable as H4350, but it is still pretty temp stable.
Re: reloader 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: recarga</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does any one know where can I find data for RE 17.
It's kind of new and on alliants web don't really have much ,on 223 REM, 22-250 REM and 308 win. </div></div>
I believe it's because it's not designed for those cartridges (223/22-250). If you want to use it, you'll have to scour the bowels of the net for someone that's tested it on their own and posted results.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: recarga</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does any one know where can I find data for RE 17.
It's kind of new and on alliants web don't really have much ,on 223 REM, 22-250 REM and 308 win. </div></div>
I believe it's because it's not designed for those cartridges (223/22-250). If you want to use it, you'll have to scour the bowels of the net for someone that's tested it on their own and posted results.
Re: reloader 17
Personally, I tried it and didn't like it. It's designed for the small magnums and doesn't bring anything to the party on others. I couldn't get enough powder into a .308 case to give the same performance I got from Varget.
Personally, I tried it and didn't like it. It's designed for the small magnums and doesn't bring anything to the party on others. I couldn't get enough powder into a .308 case to give the same performance I got from Varget.
Re: reloader 17
I know guys running it in their 260s and loving it...very accurate with the 130 class bullet and they are able to get more velocity out of it than the H4350.
I still love the H4350 over the RL17 but guys are using it with good results in certain calibers
I know guys running it in their 260s and loving it...very accurate with the 130 class bullet and they are able to get more velocity out of it than the H4350.
I still love the H4350 over the RL17 but guys are using it with good results in certain calibers
Re: reloader 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know guys running it in their 260s and loving it...very accurate with the 130 class bullet and they are able to get more velocity out of it than the H4350.</div></div>
This has been my experience in my 260...very accurate with the 130gr Berger VLD and required 1.0gr less powder to hit a given velocity than H4350. Seemed like it took less workup to find a good load too.
Saw some big temp swings (less related to ambient air temp than dumbass me leaving ammo sitting out in direct sunlight) but once I found my charge everything was 0.5MOA or better accurate.
I've also heard some folks use RL17 in a 223/223AI with 90gr bullets...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know guys running it in their 260s and loving it...very accurate with the 130 class bullet and they are able to get more velocity out of it than the H4350.</div></div>
This has been my experience in my 260...very accurate with the 130gr Berger VLD and required 1.0gr less powder to hit a given velocity than H4350. Seemed like it took less workup to find a good load too.
Saw some big temp swings (less related to ambient air temp than dumbass me leaving ammo sitting out in direct sunlight) but once I found my charge everything was 0.5MOA or better accurate.
I've also heard some folks use RL17 in a 223/223AI with 90gr bullets...
Re: reloader 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not as temp stable as H4350, but it is still pretty temp stable. </div></div>
Agree, contrary to somes experience it 'RL17' is indeed stable with the 2 powder lots I tested. I just finished winter/summer test if you can call testing in southern New Mexico a test. From 58-106F 6xc 115 DTAC's a 43 fps ave. spread. In a 260 139 Scenar 58 fps spread. Both 35 rounds over chrono 70 if you count the proof with an Oehler 35. With smaller calibers you can speed things up considerably.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not as temp stable as H4350, but it is still pretty temp stable. </div></div>
Agree, contrary to somes experience it 'RL17' is indeed stable with the 2 powder lots I tested. I just finished winter/summer test if you can call testing in southern New Mexico a test. From 58-106F 6xc 115 DTAC's a 43 fps ave. spread. In a 260 139 Scenar 58 fps spread. Both 35 rounds over chrono 70 if you count the proof with an Oehler 35. With smaller calibers you can speed things up considerably.
Re: reloader 17
My 243 like R17 pushing 105's and R19 pushing 85-90's.
My 243 like R17 pushing 105's and R19 pushing 85-90's.
Re: reloader 17
i have been using in my 260, 42.5grns of h4350, SMK 142, BR2's,nosler brass. with a 2.812 over all lenght. my fps is @2700 with so so accuracy. so thought i possibly would try something else or keep trying differant powder charges of the 4350
i have been using in my 260, 42.5grns of h4350, SMK 142, BR2's,nosler brass. with a 2.812 over all lenght. my fps is @2700 with so so accuracy. so thought i possibly would try something else or keep trying differant powder charges of the 4350
Re: reloader 17
I have had great luck with H4350 but I use H4831SC as I have 50lbs of it. Both are very temp stable and 1/4MOA accurate in my rifle. 28" BBL with 142 SMK
I have had great luck with H4350 but I use H4831SC as I have 50lbs of it. Both are very temp stable and 1/4MOA accurate in my rifle. 28" BBL with 142 SMK
Re: reloader 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scootball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone know if reloader 17 has the same non tempature sensative qualities that h4350 has?</div></div>
Nope,
It is probably the most temp sensitive powder I've used.....But keep in mind, I haven't experimented with a whole shit ton of powders though.
I started with RL17 with my 6.5X47, and now, my loads are all propelled byH4350.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scootball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone know if reloader 17 has the same non tempature sensative qualities that h4350 has?</div></div>
Nope,
It is probably the most temp sensitive powder I've used.....But keep in mind, I haven't experimented with a whole shit ton of powders though.
I started with RL17 with my 6.5X47, and now, my loads are all propelled byH4350.
Re: reloader 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scootball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i would be using it for a 260. so the R17 seems to like the lighter rounds over the heavies? </div></div>
Not in my 260, my accuracy load is a 139 Scenar @ 2810 fps and in a 6XC with 115 DTACs 3010 fps both with RL17. Both bullets are heavies in their calibers. The 260 is a factory Sako 26", the XC a Sako action with a 26" Bartlein.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scootball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i would be using it for a 260. so the R17 seems to like the lighter rounds over the heavies? </div></div>
Not in my 260, my accuracy load is a 139 Scenar @ 2810 fps and in a 6XC with 115 DTACs 3010 fps both with RL17. Both bullets are heavies in their calibers. The 260 is a factory Sako 26", the XC a Sako action with a 26" Bartlein.
Re: reloader 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This has been my experience in my 260...very accurate with the 130gr Berger VLD and required <span style="color: #FF0000">1.0gr less powder to hit a given velocity than H4350.</span></div></div>
Looking back at my data for the 140gr A-Max, this holds true as well...1.0gr less RL17 to achieve a given H4350 speed.
I never tried more than 42.5gr with a 140gr, which gave me 2844fps from a 26" 8 twist Criterion.
Also, 44gr RL17 gave me 3100fps with a 123gr A-Max from the same barrel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This has been my experience in my 260...very accurate with the 130gr Berger VLD and required <span style="color: #FF0000">1.0gr less powder to hit a given velocity than H4350.</span></div></div>
Looking back at my data for the 140gr A-Max, this holds true as well...1.0gr less RL17 to achieve a given H4350 speed.
I never tried more than 42.5gr with a 140gr, which gave me 2844fps from a 26" 8 twist Criterion.
Also, 44gr RL17 gave me 3100fps with a 123gr A-Max from the same barrel.
Re: reloader 17
I asked Zak Smith about this subject at the SHC this past weekend as Raydog (TBAC) was shooting it with good results. The question was did Ray notice any temp issues with R-17?
The answer was "He won the 2011 Steel Safari shooting it", I repeated the question and the answer was "HE WON THE STEEL SAFARI WITH IT". Shooting in Colorado and in Raton, NM the temp swings during the year are huge. Granted Raydog is an excellent shooter, but his choice, not a sponsors, was RL-17. Good enough for me.
I asked Zak Smith about this subject at the SHC this past weekend as Raydog (TBAC) was shooting it with good results. The question was did Ray notice any temp issues with R-17?
The answer was "He won the 2011 Steel Safari shooting it", I repeated the question and the answer was "HE WON THE STEEL SAFARI WITH IT". Shooting in Colorado and in Raton, NM the temp swings during the year are huge. Granted Raydog is an excellent shooter, but his choice, not a sponsors, was RL-17. Good enough for me.
Re: reloader 17
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scootball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have been using in my 260, 42.5grns of h4350, SMK 142, BR2's,nosler brass. with a 2.812 over all lenght. my fps is @2700 with so so accuracy. so thought i possibly would try something else or keep trying differant powder charges of the 4350 </div></div>
Try seating the bullet out another .020 to around 2.830(or if you no where your lands start back it off from the lands .040 SMKs seem to like about a .040 jump)and see if that helps tighten up your groups some. H4350 is a very accurate powder in the 260 I have yet to see a 260 not run well on it so you may just be right outside an accuracy node or you could be jumping the SMK a little too much at the slower velocity of 2700.
I would also try and load it up some 43-43.5 grns of H4350 seems to be where the accuracy node lies for many with the 260.
My old 260 was 43grns with Lapua brass OAL at 2.825, Federal 210M primers with the velocity at 2830fps out of a 24inch MIke Rock barrel. I also ran remmy brass but loaded that up to 43.4 i believe to match the velocity of teh lapua since you will get more velocity using less powder then the remmy brass.
I am doing load deveolopment on my new 260 today it has a 26 inch barrel and I am starting at 43 grns of H4350 and workin gup from there.
if I were you I would not give up on the H4350 to go to RL17.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scootball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have been using in my 260, 42.5grns of h4350, SMK 142, BR2's,nosler brass. with a 2.812 over all lenght. my fps is @2700 with so so accuracy. so thought i possibly would try something else or keep trying differant powder charges of the 4350 </div></div>
Try seating the bullet out another .020 to around 2.830(or if you no where your lands start back it off from the lands .040 SMKs seem to like about a .040 jump)and see if that helps tighten up your groups some. H4350 is a very accurate powder in the 260 I have yet to see a 260 not run well on it so you may just be right outside an accuracy node or you could be jumping the SMK a little too much at the slower velocity of 2700.
I would also try and load it up some 43-43.5 grns of H4350 seems to be where the accuracy node lies for many with the 260.
My old 260 was 43grns with Lapua brass OAL at 2.825, Federal 210M primers with the velocity at 2830fps out of a 24inch MIke Rock barrel. I also ran remmy brass but loaded that up to 43.4 i believe to match the velocity of teh lapua since you will get more velocity using less powder then the remmy brass.
I am doing load deveolopment on my new 260 today it has a 26 inch barrel and I am starting at 43 grns of H4350 and workin gup from there.
if I were you I would not give up on the H4350 to go to RL17.
