I am new to reloading and will be reloading for my .300 Win Mag with Nosler bullets. The only manual I have now is the Nosler manual and the information that came with my Lee dies. I am on what appears to be a long backorder for Federal Primers and can only get CCI. The reloading data I have is only for Federal. Can someone point me in the direction of a manual that will give me data for the CCI primers with Nosler 180gr and either IMR 4831 or 4350 without me buying manuals that are useless to me? Any advice welcome. Thanks.
Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
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Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
The Lyman's Centerfire Handloading Manual has that information.
For 180 grain bullets it has these powders listed: IMR-4350, RX19, IMR-4831, XMR-3100, N-560, H4831, RX22, IMR-7828 and RX25
For different primers, you have to back down a little and work up.
I have long said that the Lyman Manual has more USABLE data than any 2 or 3 other.
Good luck.
The Lyman's Centerfire Handloading Manual has that information.
For 180 grain bullets it has these powders listed: IMR-4350, RX19, IMR-4831, XMR-3100, N-560, H4831, RX22, IMR-7828 and RX25
For different primers, you have to back down a little and work up.
I have long said that the Lyman Manual has more USABLE data than any 2 or 3 other.
Good luck.
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
I have the Lyman and several others. None are useless however and it's a good idea to have at least 3 or 4 to cross check loads and broaden your knowledge. Lee, and Hodgdon publish excellent manuals for reasonable prices.
Afterall, now that you are here, you'll eventually be loading for more cartridges than the .300 WM.
I have the Lyman and several others. None are useless however and it's a good idea to have at least 3 or 4 to cross check loads and broaden your knowledge. Lee, and Hodgdon publish excellent manuals for reasonable prices.
Afterall, now that you are here, you'll eventually be loading for more cartridges than the .300 WM.
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
" Can someone point me in the direction of a manual that will give me data for the CCI primers with Nosler 180gr and either IMR 4831 or 4350 without me buying manuals that are useless to me? Any advice welcome. Thanks."
Common and understantable noob type question. The answer is. "Don't sweat it."
If we could ONLY use data exactly as it's given in a manual there are a LOT of things we couldn't do or use but it's really not that scientific. ALL reloading data, no matter who presents it, is generic on the powder type and bullet weight. Nothing else makes as much difference as the rifle we fire the ammo in.
"Start low, only work up to book max unless you experience over pressure signs and stop" is the way we compensate for any variations in bullet brands, primers, cases, powder lots, etc.
" Can someone point me in the direction of a manual that will give me data for the CCI primers with Nosler 180gr and either IMR 4831 or 4350 without me buying manuals that are useless to me? Any advice welcome. Thanks."
Common and understantable noob type question. The answer is. "Don't sweat it."
If we could ONLY use data exactly as it's given in a manual there are a LOT of things we couldn't do or use but it's really not that scientific. ALL reloading data, no matter who presents it, is generic on the powder type and bullet weight. Nothing else makes as much difference as the rifle we fire the ammo in.
"Start low, only work up to book max unless you experience over pressure signs and stop" is the way we compensate for any variations in bullet brands, primers, cases, powder lots, etc.
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
Thank you both for your responses. As far as loading more calibers go I will be going for .270, 6mm, 30-30, 30-06 and 45-70. I am just starting with the .300 as it's my favorite and the one that sees the most use.
Basically, what I take from your responses is that I should buy another manual so I have three points of cross reference. Then just like you are supposed to normally do anyways, I should start by reducing from the max charge listed by 10% and working my way up checking for signs of pressure if I want to use a different primer.
Thank you both for your responses. As far as loading more calibers go I will be going for .270, 6mm, 30-30, 30-06 and 45-70. I am just starting with the .300 as it's my favorite and the one that sees the most use.
Basically, what I take from your responses is that I should buy another manual so I have three points of cross reference. Then just like you are supposed to normally do anyways, I should start by reducing from the max charge listed by 10% and working my way up checking for signs of pressure if I want to use a different primer.
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
"...what I take from your responses is that I should buy another manual so I have three points of cross reference. ... I should start by reducing from the max charge listed by 10% and working my way up checking for signs of pressure if I want to use a different primer."
Not exactly. Extra manuals are interesting for sure but the cross reference thing is over rated by those who want to sound smart by suggesting more manuals! Actually, any good manual is enough. And forget dropping 10% or any other fixed change, with a new rifle start at the book starting point and then work up. Only that way can you safely get aquainted with your rifle will is to learn IF it takes charges up to book max. If so, okay. THEN you can work the 10% thing with component changes. But ALL rifles are "new" until YOU have loaded them long enough to get to know 'em.
Those web "experts" who tell us the load book makers dumb down the charges to keep company lawyers happy are idiots. The books give us the best data they can but their rifles are tightly fitted and most or ours aren't. But sometimes ours will actually be tighter than theirs so their safe loads will be over loads for us! Thus, we MUST learn conservatively and averaging anything wrong (for us) won't do that very well.
I know a guy who bought a shiney new Win 70 in .22-250 a few years back. He started loading for it and picked a valid book mid-range charge of Varget, he matched book components exactly and shot it. The groups were great ... but the primers kept falling out of the fired cases, midrange load was WAY too hot!
Moral of the story is, "Start low....." etc.
"...what I take from your responses is that I should buy another manual so I have three points of cross reference. ... I should start by reducing from the max charge listed by 10% and working my way up checking for signs of pressure if I want to use a different primer."
Not exactly. Extra manuals are interesting for sure but the cross reference thing is over rated by those who want to sound smart by suggesting more manuals! Actually, any good manual is enough. And forget dropping 10% or any other fixed change, with a new rifle start at the book starting point and then work up. Only that way can you safely get aquainted with your rifle will is to learn IF it takes charges up to book max. If so, okay. THEN you can work the 10% thing with component changes. But ALL rifles are "new" until YOU have loaded them long enough to get to know 'em.
Those web "experts" who tell us the load book makers dumb down the charges to keep company lawyers happy are idiots. The books give us the best data they can but their rifles are tightly fitted and most or ours aren't. But sometimes ours will actually be tighter than theirs so their safe loads will be over loads for us! Thus, we MUST learn conservatively and averaging anything wrong (for us) won't do that very well.
I know a guy who bought a shiney new Win 70 in .22-250 a few years back. He started loading for it and picked a valid book mid-range charge of Varget, he matched book components exactly and shot it. The groups were great ... but the primers kept falling out of the fired cases, midrange load was WAY too hot!
Moral of the story is, "Start low....." etc.
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not exactly. Extra manuals are interesting for sure but the cross reference thing is over rated by those who want to sound smart by suggesting more manuals! </div></div>
If I only had a brain...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not exactly. Extra manuals are interesting for sure but the cross reference thing is over rated by those who want to sound smart by suggesting more manuals! </div></div>
If I only had a brain...
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Those web "experts" who tell us the load book makers dumb down the charges to keep company lawyers happy are idiots. The books give us the best data they can but their rifles are tightly fitted and most or ours aren't. But sometimes ours will actually be tighter than theirs so their safe loads will be over loads for us! Thus, we MUST learn conservatively and averaging anything wrong (for us) won't do that very well.
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I agree totally. Most of those "manly" published loads of yesteryear than have been backed off lately were worked up without pressure testing equipment by having the best experts look for...you guessed it, PRESSURE "SIGNS". Later testing showed some rather famous ones were over spec for the cartridges in question.
I've found a few "safe" published loads that were not safe in my rifle.
Remember, most pressure signs show up AFTER you've exceeded the specs for almost any rifle cartridge. Even primer radius is unreliable--it can be squared and flat with a safe load, and it can look NOT squared and flat with an over-spec load.
BTW, Federal and CCI primers shoot almost exactly the same in my rifles. It's WLRs that can require backing off of a load. YMMV, of course.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Those web "experts" who tell us the load book makers dumb down the charges to keep company lawyers happy are idiots. The books give us the best data they can but their rifles are tightly fitted and most or ours aren't. But sometimes ours will actually be tighter than theirs so their safe loads will be over loads for us! Thus, we MUST learn conservatively and averaging anything wrong (for us) won't do that very well.
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I agree totally. Most of those "manly" published loads of yesteryear than have been backed off lately were worked up without pressure testing equipment by having the best experts look for...you guessed it, PRESSURE "SIGNS". Later testing showed some rather famous ones were over spec for the cartridges in question.
I've found a few "safe" published loads that were not safe in my rifle.
Remember, most pressure signs show up AFTER you've exceeded the specs for almost any rifle cartridge. Even primer radius is unreliable--it can be squared and flat with a safe load, and it can look NOT squared and flat with an over-spec load.
BTW, Federal and CCI primers shoot almost exactly the same in my rifles. It's WLRs that can require backing off of a load. YMMV, of course.
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
You could always try this:
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
I always go to the manufacturer's website.
Edit:
http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Hodgdon%20Basic%20Manual.pdf
You could also download that, put it on a disk, and take it to a local copy shop for printing. If you don't know what I mean by "download" and "disk" as your kids/grandkids to do it for you.
You could always try this:
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp
I always go to the manufacturer's website.
Edit:
http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Hodgdon%20Basic%20Manual.pdf
You could also download that, put it on a disk, and take it to a local copy shop for printing. If you don't know what I mean by "download" and "disk" as your kids/grandkids to do it for you.
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
"If I only had a brain..."
No offense intended Queequeg, in fact I hadn't even noticed your post until now when I looked to see how I stepped on your toes. But think about the REAL value of multipule manuals. All I see is how it confuses people who expect everything to work like cooking a cake exactly by the receipe; works for cakes but not for reloading.
Since no two books will be the same, which is the poor loader with mulitpule books to "believe"? Experienced loaders can easily deal with the differences but I'd rather see the new guy stick with one book, any one, until he gets his feet well under him. And then he will be experienced too and won't need our pontificating about multipule manuals.
I have more than two dozen manuals, some going back over four decades, and a pile of other stuff off the web and from magazines. Interesting stuff too, but I sure don't use any of it as a "cross reference" and attempt to use it all when I start load development. I simply pick a low book charge of a powder I want to try and work up as conditions permit. So, in effect, I may as well only have one manual because the one I start and max out with stands alone.
But you have my apology.
"If I only had a brain..."
No offense intended Queequeg, in fact I hadn't even noticed your post until now when I looked to see how I stepped on your toes. But think about the REAL value of multipule manuals. All I see is how it confuses people who expect everything to work like cooking a cake exactly by the receipe; works for cakes but not for reloading.
Since no two books will be the same, which is the poor loader with mulitpule books to "believe"? Experienced loaders can easily deal with the differences but I'd rather see the new guy stick with one book, any one, until he gets his feet well under him. And then he will be experienced too and won't need our pontificating about multipule manuals.
I have more than two dozen manuals, some going back over four decades, and a pile of other stuff off the web and from magazines. Interesting stuff too, but I sure don't use any of it as a "cross reference" and attempt to use it all when I start load development. I simply pick a low book charge of a powder I want to try and work up as conditions permit. So, in effect, I may as well only have one manual because the one I start and max out with stands alone.
But you have my apology.
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
Fuzzball,
No offense taken and no apologies needed. I took it as an opportunity to break into song!
My thinking is that there are occasionally published load errors that would not be caught if there were no means of cross reference. I too have a buch of manuals, some going back many years, as well as my subscription to Handloader, freequent visits here and discussions with fellow shooters to balance. Ultimately, I only experimnt or vary my routine when I find a new powder to toy with or a new firearm to load for.
When I first got started, I did not have a real time resource to bounce questions off of and relied on studying a few manuals. From that I gained a pretty broad insight into the many different elements of metalic cartridge reloading, and a bunch of different opinions from which I developed my own practices.
No question that working up from starting loads and patient, cautious, load development is the most important of these.
Now I
could tell you why
the ocean's near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
and then I'd stop
and think some more.
Try getting that out of your head!
Fuzzball,
No offense taken and no apologies needed. I took it as an opportunity to break into song!
My thinking is that there are occasionally published load errors that would not be caught if there were no means of cross reference. I too have a buch of manuals, some going back many years, as well as my subscription to Handloader, freequent visits here and discussions with fellow shooters to balance. Ultimately, I only experimnt or vary my routine when I find a new powder to toy with or a new firearm to load for.
When I first got started, I did not have a real time resource to bounce questions off of and relied on studying a few manuals. From that I gained a pretty broad insight into the many different elements of metalic cartridge reloading, and a bunch of different opinions from which I developed my own practices.
No question that working up from starting loads and patient, cautious, load development is the most important of these.
Now I
could tell you why
the ocean's near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
and then I'd stop
and think some more.
Try getting that out of your head!
Re: Reloading Manual for CCI primers Nosler Bullets
No way to ask this question without pointing out that I'm a real to goodness newbie:
If different rifles can handle different pressures and thus some loads that work in one rifle are too 'hot' for another, then what is factory ammo, a low charge?
No way to ask this question without pointing out that I'm a real to goodness newbie:
If different rifles can handle different pressures and thus some loads that work in one rifle are too 'hot' for another, then what is factory ammo, a low charge?
