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rem 700 question

newshooter215

newshooter215

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#1
hi im looking at getting a rem 700 short action rifle i have been looking at the 700p but i was also looking at the 700 r5. i plan on taking off the stock and replacing it with a mcmillan and am looking for a 24 inch barrel on it. also whats the difference in price between the two?
 
#6
Re: rem 700 question

if you plan on replacing the stock, id just get a regular sps-v, so you arent paying extra for the hs stock.

or if you want the 5r, you can always sell the stock and get some money back for it as well.
 
#8
Re: rem 700 question

If you are going to ditch the stock, look at the SPS Tactical or SPS Varmint. They can be found for around $560. The Varmint has a 26" barrel and the Tactical has a 20" barrel. Its also relative to note that .308's sometimes prefer a 20" barrel and you should have no trouble taking it out to 800-1000 yards if you feel the need. Any other questions feel free to ask away.

Kelly
 
#9
Re: rem 700 question

yea i heard the 20 inch barrel isent very accurate at that range so i was going to get the 26 and cut it down i think. the reason also is i maken my own custom m40 so i was looking for the 24 inch. but im hella new at stuff so what so i know
 
#11
Re: rem 700 question

If I may recommend? You say several times that you are a newbie.

Go with the package from snipercentral.

Let them help you out with the assembly and get you setup with a decent but economical platform which they will be kind enough to zero and ship out to you.

http://www.snipercentral.com/rementrypack.phtml

Its a great starting point that you can then invest in over time as your own experience with the platform improves.
 
#13
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: newshooter215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yea i heard the 20 inch barrel isent very accurate at that range so i was going to get the 26 and cut it down i think. the reason also is i maken my own custom m40 so i was looking for the 24 inch. but im hella new at stuff so what so i know </div></div>

Since you said many times that you are new, both sps and the 5r will be more accurate than you are. Not saying you are not a good shooter, but both of these rifles will serve you well while you improve your skill. Read some more here, Lowlight has a video of him shooting an 18" barrel out to 1000yards. But the question is how far are "you" plan to shoot?

If you plan to change the stock right away, sps will be a better choice, if not, 5r is all ready to go for a long time. 5r also has a SS barrel, but cost a bit higher.

Both are rem700 action so lots of smith and parts available for you later on if you want to change something. Read more, then decide what you want to get. Both rifle has been covered here many times.

Good luck to you, and welcome to the hide.

Dyl..
 
#14
Re: rem 700 question

yes i plan on shooting 1000 yards i know an old sniper vet and he said he was going to teach me the ways also i live in cali so i dont think i can have rifles shipped to me not shur but i think its against the law here.
 
#15
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Target In Sight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: newshooter215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yea i heard the 20 inch barrel isent very accurate at that range so i was going to get the 26 and cut it down i think. the reason also is i maken my own custom m40 so i was looking for the 24 inch. but im hella new at stuff so what so i know </div></div>

Since you said many times that you are new, both sps and the 5r will be more accurate than you are. Not saying you are not a good shooter, but both of these rifles will serve you well while you improve your skill. Read some more here, Lowlight has a video of him shooting an 18" barrel out to 1000yards. But the question is how far are "you" plan to shoot?

If you plan to change the stock right away, sps will be a better choice, if not, 5r is all ready to go for a long time. 5r also has a SS barrel, but cost a bit higher.

Both are rem700 action so lots of smith and parts available for you later on if you want to change something. Read more, then decide what you want to get. Both rifle has been covered here many times.

Good luck to you, and welcome to the hide.

Dyl.. </div></div>

+1

You have to have firearms shipped to an FFL holder, no mater where you live. Some charge a fee for that, so factor that into it as well.
 
#16
Re: rem 700 question

I think you should go to the Remington web site and look up some of the specs on all the different types of models they have and learn a little before asking these questions. Cause it seems like you don't know much about them and seems like half of us are wasting out breath.

Or go with what odd-ball said.
 
#17
Re: rem 700 question

iv seen the models on remington and i asked them and they told me to go with the 700p but i just found out today that sps v is the same thing with just a different stock. so no offense CK32 if you dont want to waste your breathe then dont post up i just was asking so many questions because i want to know anything and everything before i drop money on it. thanks everyone for the info its been helpful and i will check in on that rifle odd-ball
 
#18
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: newshooter215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes i plan on shooting 1000 yards i know an old sniper vet and he said he was going to teach me the ways also i live in cali so i dont think i can have rifles shipped to me not shur but i think its against the law here. </div></div>

Fill out your profile so we know where you are, easier for people to give you correct advices.

In your case, its best to buy a stock rifle from local gun store, shoot it, and make mods when you know what you need/want. There are many smith here in CA that can work on your gun when that time comes.

Focus on what you need for now, everyone wants a M40, but how far are you willing to go, the cost of the gun reflexes. The more you spend on it, the closer you are to the real M40, and most likely be a show gun on the wall. Now, how does that do any good to a new shooter?

Something to think about....

Dyl..
 
#19
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: newshooter215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">iv seen the models on remington and i asked them and they told me to go with the 700p but i just found out today that sps v is the same thing with just a different stock. so no offense CK32 if you dont want to waste your breathe then dont post up i just was asking so many questions because i want to know anything and everything before i drop money on it. thanks everyone for the info its been helpful and i will check in on that rifle odd-ball </div></div>

CK32 is giving you good advice, based on what you said, you DON'T know much about these rifles. Stock is not the only different between these two guns. Read more, so you narrow down your questions and selections.

Dyl..
 
#20
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: newshooter215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">iv seen the models on remington and i asked them and they told me to go with the 700p but i just found out today that sps v is the same thing with just a different stock. so no offense CK32 if you dont want to waste your breathe then dont post up i just was asking so many questions because i want to know anything and everything before i drop money on it. thanks everyone for the info its been helpful and i will check in on that rifle odd-ball </div></div>


I'm not trying to attack you but I spent a good 6 months doing nothing but reading posts reviews and the Remington web site along with other rifles to be for sure this was the rifle I wanted and cant even count up how much time on videos I spent to watch what they and other can do and same with any products I think about getting or putting on my rifle. How would you feel if someone came up to you and asked you something and you told them.. and they say whats that.. Oh whats that.. Oh whats that... And most of this stuff is on the basic specs of the Remington web site and Google on the differences in each and everyone of these rifles..


And even after all that time spend reading and knowing all I did I still got told places to find the info i was seeking.. So a fair warning this probably wont be the first time someone tells you up front to just go Google it or actually research it your self. So I'm just giving you fair warning to read and read and read.. It will get you a whole lot farther to your decision and getting basic knowledge why and where and what for your getting these things for and you know for a fact then word of mouth.. And help you down the line to know what your talking about.


But if you don't wanna take my advice.. You'll get chewed up and spit out pretty quickly around here. Just giving you a heads up and hopefully some helpful advice so you don't make a fool of your self.
 
#21
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: newshooter215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">iv seen the models on remington and i asked them and they told me to go with the 700p but i just found out today that sps v is the same thing with just a different stock. so no offense CK32 if you dont want to waste your breathe then dont post up i just was asking so many questions because i want to know anything and everything before i drop money on it. thanks everyone for the info its been helpful and i will check in on that rifle odd-ball </div></div>

Just to help you out a little bit, there are 3 primary differences between the 700P and the SPS Tactical.

The 700P has an over-molded stock (the difference you noted).

The barrel and so forth is parkerized (a finish which in many types of conditions is going to sustain a higher level of protection than standard blued ordnance grade carbon steel, which is what most 700s, including the SPS tactical, are).

The third difference is that the 700P is Pulled from assembly and each one is test fired to a required accuracy of at least 1 MOA. The 700P is guaranteed, via this test fire, to fire better than minute of angle. No accuracy guarantee or testing is applied to the SPS line of Model 700 bolt action rifles.

That doesn't mean that the SPS rifle will not be capable of that level of accuracy necessarily, it just means that from time to time a lemon may escape the process because other than a test fire for function check, there is no accuracy standard they are being assessed against.

My recommendations to you:
1) If you want something right now, immediately, and are intending to go get something this weekend, go buy an SPS tactical in 223 or 308. 223 will offer a lower cost per cartridge, the 308 will be more versatile and sustainable across a range of uses. Buy Burris XTR rings and a reasonable quality one-piece picatinny base. Buy either a Burris Fullfield II scope or a Bushnell Elite 3200 4-14x40. Have a local gunsmith (including maybe the store's gunsmith) do the assembly for you. Thus you are up and ready to shoot with a platform you can learn on as you build your skills at relatively minimal expense.

2) If you want to wait and step up the quality scale slightly, order the package I indicated from snipercentral. Mel is a good guy and will take care of you. Someone takes care of zeroing for you and you know you are getting ok components to get you started.

3) Alternatively, if you have a pretty good deal of patience, go out and buy a .22 rifle. What kind of action it is really is not going to matter all that much. Starting with a rifle chambered in .22lr will provide an extremely inexpensive opportunity to hone your skills over time and provide a great platform for the vet you mentioned to instill the basics in you without the recoil which can be unpleasant and imply some bad habits to a first time shooter that isnt getting active coaching.
 
#23
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kbrady</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 700P has an over-molded stock (the difference you noted).

Actually the 700P has the HS Precision stock, and the SPS Tactical has the Hogue Over Molded Stock. </div></div>

Look at the foreend of the HS Precision stock.

That technique of building a base that uses more material than is neccessary is generally referred to as "Over Molded". That is the mold is excessive to the material basic need of the bedding and support for the rifle's action and barrel.

Just because HS precision does not advertise that stock as being an "over molded model" does not mean that it does not possess this quality
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Thats like saying that just because one brand of car is marketed as the "sport" edition, and another model does not use "sport" or "SS" the second car is not a "sports car"
smile.gif
 
#24
Re: rem 700 question

i dont plan on making an exact m40 but i am getting a mcmillan a5 i just not shur for the base gun model im going with i want the best model i can get if i have to get the 700p because it is better the the other 700 models then i will i just need some one to come out a tell me the differences between them i just have hella people telling me different things. im looking for a model with the best stock heavy barrel and not to concerned about the stock because its going away soon as i get it.
 
#25
Re: rem 700 question

I know many people see "over molded" and associate that with the advertised Hogue Over Molded stock on SPS Tacticals. Just clarifying because it is the difference in between a great stock and a shitty stock.

Kelly
 
#26
Re: rem 700 question

The best stock heavy barrel would be to order your own and let a gunsmith fit it for you
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Second to that, if you just want a factory gun, the barrel profile between the 700P and the SPS is identical.

There is a great quote that comes to mind from a forum posted back in 2005:

"Any Remington 700 that you can buy from Remington is about as close to the Marine's M40 as a NASCAR racers car is to one you can buy off the lot."

Its true.

Go with the SPS Tactical, save the money and invest in ammo to build your skills until you can really invest and make use of an M40 replica.

 
#27
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: newshooter215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i dont plan on making an exact m40 but i am getting a mcmillan a5 i just not shur for the base gun model im going with i want the best model i can get if i have to get the 700p because it is better the the other 700 models then i will i just need some one to come out a tell me the differences between them i just have hella people telling me different things. im looking for a model with the best stock heavy barrel and not to concerned about the stock because its going away soon as i get it.
</div></div>

Maybe I am missing something, if you plan on replacing the stock, what does it matter what stock comes on the rifle? Bottom line is, the 700P is a great choice.....comes with an HS Precision stock and is a great shooter no doubt. The SPS Tactical or Varmint is about 200-300 bucks less, is the same action and heavy barrel (except for barrel length) and comes with a less than desirable stock. What else do you want to know about them? If you look at the reviews on Sniper Central, all 3 of these rifles perform well from the factory! None of them have a noticeable advantage over the other in terms of performance, the 700P has a better stock, which you pay for. To add: all 3 in .308 have a 1:12 twist rate I believe, the 5R has a 1:11.25.
 
#28
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Oddball-Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kbrady</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 700P has an over-molded stock (the difference you noted).

Actually the 700P has the HS Precision stock, and the SPS Tactical has the Hogue Over Molded Stock. </div></div>

Look at the foreend of the HS Precision stock.

<span style="color: #FF0000">That technique of building a base that uses more material than is neccessary is generally referred to as "Over Molded". That is the mold is excessive to the material basic need of the bedding and support for the rifle's action and barrel.</span>



Just because HS precision does not advertise that stock as being an "over molded model" does not mean that it does not possess this quality
smile.gif


Thats like saying that just because one brand of car is marketed as the "sport" edition, and another model does not use "sport" or "SS" the second car is not a "sports car"
smile.gif
</div></div>

WHAT??? Where did you get this? An "Overmolded Stock" by definition is this:
OverMolded Stocks are constructed by molding a super strong, rigid fiberglass reinforced skeleton or "insert" that precisely fits the guns' action. This rigid skeleton is then OverMolded with a durable but soft synthetic elastomer (rubber). During the heat and extreme pressure of injection molding the elastomer adheres chemically as well as mechanically to the skeleton, resulting in a permanent bond between the rubber and the insert.
It's the only definition I can find anywhere. HS Precision does not make stocks like this...
 
#29
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Oddball-Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kbrady</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 700P has an over-molded stock (the difference you noted).

Actually the 700P has the HS Precision stock, and the SPS Tactical has the Hogue Over Molded Stock. </div></div>

Look at the foreend of the HS Precision stock.

<span style="color: #FF0000">That technique of building a base that uses more material than is neccessary is generally referred to as "Over Molded". That is the mold is excessive to the material basic need of the bedding and support for the rifle's action and barrel.</span>



Just because HS precision does not advertise that stock as being an "over molded model" does not mean that it does not possess this quality
smile.gif


Thats like saying that just because one brand of car is marketed as the "sport" edition, and another model does not use "sport" or "SS" the second car is not a "sports car"
smile.gif
</div></div>

WHAT??? Where did you get this? An "Overmolded Stock" by definition is this:
OverMolded Stocks are constructed by molding a super strong, rigid fiberglass reinforced skeleton or "insert" that precisely fits the guns' action. This rigid skeleton is then OverMolded with a durable but soft synthetic elastomer (rubber). During the heat and extreme pressure of injection molding the elastomer adheres chemically as well as mechanically to the skeleton, resulting in a permanent bond between the rubber and the insert.
It's the only definition I can find anywhere. HS Precision does not make stocks like this...
</div></div>

1) Tone down the idiot crazy surprise.

2) That is Hogue's own description of how THEY overmold. They have claimed a trademark on the term "Overmolded". Its TM, not R yet so it is not accepted for registry as an exclusive mark.

3) Educate yourself.

"Over molding" in the manufacturer industry is actually something called "two shot molding". Which is the process by which you build a frame or fill of one material and then that object is then covered in a second process to create the finished filled element.

IN this case, HS precision stocks use an aluminum chassis and a composite shell which is then filled with urethane fill (the injection mold).

Research the process. The term is not perjorative it is simply a manufacturing process by which additional grip or surface area is created using a multi-step manufacturing process which results in a stock with greater bearing surface and potentially additional grip.
 
#31
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Oddball-Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Oddball-Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kbrady</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 700P has an over-molded stock (the difference you noted).

Actually the 700P has the HS Precision stock, and the SPS Tactical has the Hogue Over Molded Stock. </div></div>

Look at the foreend of the HS Precision stock.

<span style="color: #FF0000">That technique of building a base that uses more material than is neccessary is generally referred to as "Over Molded". That is the mold is excessive to the material basic need of the bedding and support for the rifle's action and barrel.</span>



Just because HS precision does not advertise that stock as being an "over molded model" does not mean that it does not possess this quality
smile.gif


Thats like saying that just because one brand of car is marketed as the "sport" edition, and another model does not use "sport" or "SS" the second car is not a "sports car"
smile.gif
</div></div>

WHAT??? Where did you get this? An "Overmolded Stock" by definition is this:
OverMolded Stocks are constructed by molding a super strong, rigid fiberglass reinforced skeleton or "insert" that precisely fits the guns' action. This rigid skeleton is then OverMolded with a durable but soft synthetic elastomer (rubber). During the heat and extreme pressure of injection molding the elastomer adheres chemically as well as mechanically to the skeleton, resulting in a permanent bond between the rubber and the insert.
It's the only definition I can find anywhere. HS Precision does not make stocks like this...
</div></div>

1) Tone down the idiot crazy surprise.

2) That is Hogue's own description of how THEY overmold. They have claimed a trademark on the term "Overmolded". Its TM, not R yet so it is not accepted for registry as an exclusive mark.

3) Educate yourself.

"Over molding" in the manufacturer industry is actually something called "two shot molding". Which is the process by which you build a frame or fill of one material and then that object is then covered in a second process to create the finished filled element.

IN this case, HS precision stocks use an aluminum chassis and a composite shell which is then filled with urethane fill (the injection mold).

Research the process. The term is not perjorative it is simply a manufacturing process by which additional grip or surface area is created using a multi-step manufacturing process which results in a stock with greater bearing surface and potentially additional grip.
</div></div>

Yea... Right... Whatever... I think you just mis-spoke and can't admit it
smile.gif

Ask anyone on this or any other "Rifle" related site: Who makes an "Overmolded" Stock... Hogue or HS Precision? The answer 100% of the time will be Hogue... Guaranteed!
wink.gif


Hey, no worries man... I'm just raggin' ya. I don't mean anything by it. I'm just an Asshole!

Cheers,
John
 
#32
Re: rem 700 question

newshooter, I have a 700P in an Accuracy Internation chasis.

If i could go back i would have gotten a 20" barrel .308. The 26" barrel is massive.

My rifle is significantly heavy... If i were to rebarrel in the future i would go with a shorter fluted barrel.

Long barrel lengths are not always required to do long range shooting... ask around, you will find people with 700P LTR's 20" getting good accuracy past 600 yards.
 
#33
Re: rem 700 question

yea i probobly would have the barrel trimed down to like 22 or 24 in the future but ill just be at the range in the beginning but i still am going to read up on this a little more before i get my rifle
 
#34
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks guys but i think ill go with the 700p</div></div>

Good choice. The LE and Mil rifles from Remington are subject to better QC/QA procedures than the regular lines. Any SPS is pushed out to be dealt with later if there are inletting issues, extractor issues, barrel won't shoot, etc. With an SPS you are taking chances (on the new ones, not one 5 or more years old), and you already know you'll have to eventually upgrade lots of stuff. When I was researching it quickly became clear it was best to buy an older 700 and build it, buy a 700 mil or leo model, or go Savage, if I wanted to save myself some potential headaches.
 
#36
Re: rem 700 question

What he said. <span style="font-weight: bold"> ..." to save myself some potential headaches."</span>
got a new in box 700 varmint sitting here right now. tried 3 different box factory ammo & you got to beat the bolt down to close it. They do get sloppy on the QC sometimes.
.
 
#37
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What he said. <span style="font-weight: bold"> ..." to save myself some potential headaches."</span>
got a new in box 700 varmint sitting here right now. tried 3 different box factory ammo & you got to beat the bolt down to close it. They do get sloppy on the QC sometimes.
. </div></div>

its sad to waatch a great american arms company slide down the tubes of a vulture hedge fund owner
 
#38
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> & you got to beat the bolt down to close it. They do get sloppy on the QC sometimes.
.</div></div>

Is this due to headspace issues or an extractor issue?
 
#39
Re: rem 700 question

There is nothing wrong with the SPS line, -T or -V, just as long as you know you are getting a $550-600 firearm. Savages "value line" is identical, sometimes you get good ones, and sometimes you get mediocre ones. I'd like to see where Remington said they have different QC procedures for the 700P and 5R lines though.

Kelly
 
#40
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Oddball-Six</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What he said. <span style="font-weight: bold"> ..." to save myself some potential headaches."</span>
got a new in box 700 varmint sitting here right now. tried 3 different box factory ammo & you got to beat the bolt down to close it. They do get sloppy on the QC sometimes.
. </div></div>

its sad to waatch a great american arms company slide down the tubes of a vulture hedge fund owner</div></div>

My family bought nothing but Remington for many years. I've always been a Remngton fanboi myself. But in the past year I bought two 870s, one 597, and a 7600 and had problems with every single one of them. Even worse, NONE of the issues were resolved. Not one. Had to fix every single one myself despite multiple calls and emails to Remington support and to Remington corporate. I pull out my 30 year old 700 30-06 that still shoots MOA at 100 (rare for an old sporter) and still shows absolutely beautiful wood and deep blue and I'm saddened at what pursuit of the almighty dollar above all else is costing us.
 
#41
Re: rem 700 question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Austan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> & you got to beat the bolt down to close it. They do get sloppy on the QC sometimes.
.</div></div>

Is this due to headspace issues or an extractor issue? </div></div>
-
( Like the majority ), it was due to Extractor. although it does have 'liberal' headspace tolerance. As many times you hear about customers having extractors that wont engage around the rim on brass from a brand new 700 rifle. you would think ? that Rem. would have better QC out the door or maybe just spend an extra 3-cents per unit on a better quality Extractor. & For such a small little part, Rem. still stuck a pain in my ass to diagnose my problem and then buy and install a new one.

FACT, Tard Bastards @ Rem. Minimum should send a rifle out the Door that would @ Least Chamber a factory round . Know wonder so many are making the switch to Savage Arms these days for turnkey out of the box varmint . I got a couple custom Rem. 308's but I am about to never go back to them again even for a Donor actions. They are starting to resemble, ' Cheep China Shit '
.
 
#42
Re: rem 700 question

Kelly,

I cant speak to what specifically they all do for the PSS line, other than i know they fire them before they leave to test em for extracting and to meet the accuracy garuntee.

I havent heard of any problems with the PSS line, everyone ive heard of says they seem to do ok. mine works awesome. again, that could be just because i simply havent stumbled across the reports either....

i imagine given the lack of reports of these things happening in the PSS or LTRs i am GUESSING they do more to them. i would hope so.

BUT, either way, the points made about lack of QC in general coming from the Big R are disconcerting, aggravating, and sad at the same time. another american icon goes starts caring more about profit margin than their customer base and just why the fan base is/was brand loyal in the first place.....


Paulus
 
#43
Re: rem 700 question

I'm almost positive they are all test fired before leaving the factory. I'm also aware that a few bad ones slip out the door from time to time, happens to all mass produced items. Remington and Savage are among the most popular factory sticks, and for every 5 tack drivers they ship out its absurd to think 1 mediocre rifle doesn't slip through the cracks as well. If you want a rock solid guarantee, get a custom one built.
 
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