I would like to get into long range shooting, but limited on disposable income. What are my options using this rifle and or parts of the rifle? Is it possible to change cal, using this bolt and action? Can I replace the barrel with a .308 match barrel?
Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
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Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
Sure, you could rebarrel in anything with a .473" rim, but there's nothing wrong with the '06. If you don't have much money, get a decent optic, a sling or bipod, and shoot it as is. Chances are it will shoot fine, unless your definition of "long range" is way out there.
Sure, you could rebarrel in anything with a .473" rim, but there's nothing wrong with the '06. If you don't have much money, get a decent optic, a sling or bipod, and shoot it as is. Chances are it will shoot fine, unless your definition of "long range" is way out there.
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kombar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure, you could rebarrel in anything with a .473" rim, but there's nothing wrong with the '06. If you don't have much money, get a decent optic, a sling or bipod, and shoot it as is. Chances are it will shoot fine, unless your definition of "long range" is way out there.</div></div>
+1
Even if your definition of long range is typically past 1k. The .30-06 is an accurate platform to hone your skills on. Start shooting that rifle. When you decide you have the skills to get close to where you want, then have someone re-barrel it in a caliber that has better BC bullets that are lighter.
Some things, you'll want to do now are: get decent optics as mentioned. Reload, if you have the room, that will help tighten your accuracy. Find a coach to help you shoot better. You will also probably want a trigger job and bed the rifle.
Once you get this thing tightened up pretty good, start extending your ranges of shooting. And seeing how accurately you can call the wind. A lot of people stay home on windy days. Those are the best {and most frustrating} days to go out to the range. You can't call wind if you don't shoot in wind.
You have a good rifle to start with.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kombar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure, you could rebarrel in anything with a .473" rim, but there's nothing wrong with the '06. If you don't have much money, get a decent optic, a sling or bipod, and shoot it as is. Chances are it will shoot fine, unless your definition of "long range" is way out there.</div></div>
+1
Even if your definition of long range is typically past 1k. The .30-06 is an accurate platform to hone your skills on. Start shooting that rifle. When you decide you have the skills to get close to where you want, then have someone re-barrel it in a caliber that has better BC bullets that are lighter.
Some things, you'll want to do now are: get decent optics as mentioned. Reload, if you have the room, that will help tighten your accuracy. Find a coach to help you shoot better. You will also probably want a trigger job and bed the rifle.
Once you get this thing tightened up pretty good, start extending your ranges of shooting. And seeing how accurately you can call the wind. A lot of people stay home on windy days. Those are the best {and most frustrating} days to go out to the range. You can't call wind if you don't shoot in wind.
You have a good rifle to start with.
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
30-06 is a very capable round, and if you reload, it is an extremely accurate long range cartridge.
invest your money in decent gear (scope, stock, etc) and ammo.
get as many rounds through that gun as possible and when it's time to rebarrel the rifle then you can spend countless hours trying to decide what caliber to go with.
30-06 is a very capable round, and if you reload, it is an extremely accurate long range cartridge.
invest your money in decent gear (scope, stock, etc) and ammo.
get as many rounds through that gun as possible and when it's time to rebarrel the rifle then you can spend countless hours trying to decide what caliber to go with.
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
Thank you for the info. I can start reloading and have access to a range in SE WI that goes out 600m. Do I replace the trigger with an aftermarket match or just have a smith make it smoother. Or is that the same thing? As you can tell I don't have alot of experience/knowledge but have the passion to learn. Doing a test with a piece of paper, I don't think the barrel is floating. Is the stock a first priority or optics and trigger?
Thank you for the info. I can start reloading and have access to a range in SE WI that goes out 600m. Do I replace the trigger with an aftermarket match or just have a smith make it smoother. Or is that the same thing? As you can tell I don't have alot of experience/knowledge but have the passion to learn. Doing a test with a piece of paper, I don't think the barrel is floating. Is the stock a first priority or optics and trigger?
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
how does the factory trigger feel?
what stock does it currently have?
how does the factory trigger feel?
what stock does it currently have?
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
Black composite/plastic? Recently pulled a two stage match trigger that felt very smooth. Current trigger seems hard to pull yet crisp. How hard is it to bed a stock? Is this rifle a short action or long action?
Black composite/plastic? Recently pulled a two stage match trigger that felt very smooth. Current trigger seems hard to pull yet crisp. How hard is it to bed a stock? Is this rifle a short action or long action?
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
Great thread on bedding
the bell & carlson stocks are very good. you don't have to bed them, and if you decide to, it's a very simple process.
Great thread on bedding
the bell & carlson stocks are very good. you don't have to bed them, and if you decide to, it's a very simple process.
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
Best thing to do with a Rem ADL 700 is to shoot the hell out of it as people are recommending. When you reload 30-06 is like 308 Win but with more powder capacity in the case. You basically have the same bullet selection. They are both 308s.
Since it is a long action non-mag bolt face, when the time to rebarrel comes (prob years from now, or not, depending on how much you shoot) you can rebarrel it into something like a 280 Rem or 280 AI if you want something flatter shooting (7mm). Or you could just stick with 30-06.
If choosing a new stock keep in mind that the ADL has a blind mag and no bottom metal so you will need to buy new bottom metal and a new box mag if you want to convert the rifle to a drop plate BDL configuration. If you purchase a stock that is ADL (no drop plate) configuration you should be good to go.
Best thing to do with a Rem ADL 700 is to shoot the hell out of it as people are recommending. When you reload 30-06 is like 308 Win but with more powder capacity in the case. You basically have the same bullet selection. They are both 308s.
Since it is a long action non-mag bolt face, when the time to rebarrel comes (prob years from now, or not, depending on how much you shoot) you can rebarrel it into something like a 280 Rem or 280 AI if you want something flatter shooting (7mm). Or you could just stick with 30-06.
If choosing a new stock keep in mind that the ADL has a blind mag and no bottom metal so you will need to buy new bottom metal and a new box mag if you want to convert the rifle to a drop plate BDL configuration. If you purchase a stock that is ADL (no drop plate) configuration you should be good to go.
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XDMathias</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Black composite/plastic? Recently pulled a two stage match trigger that felt very smooth. Current trigger seems hard to pull yet crisp. How hard is it to bed a stock? Is this rifle a short action or long action?</div></div>
This is how to tell if the barrel is free floating. Take a dollar bill. Wrap it loosely around the barrel. See how far it will slide up the barrel in between it and the stock. A free floated barrel you can slide it all the way to the action.
As far as the trigger goes. Remington makes a very good trigger that is adjustable. I don't know your mechanical ability so I would suggest taking it to a gunsmith to have it adjusted and smoothed out.
If you have some mechanical ability, there are three adjustments on them. The older ones take a very small slotted screwdriver. The newer ones take IIRC take a small allen? Don't quote me on that. Anyhow, there is spring tension in the front, take-up or trigger travel and lastly, most people forget is to adjust the safety. Never adjust travel and spring tension so light the safety won't go on. Stoning the mating surfaces of the sear/sear release needs to be done slowly and carefully with a fine stone so as to smooth the surfaces, not take a bunch off.
Again, if you're not sure how to do those things, leave it to a gunsmith.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XDMathias</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Black composite/plastic? Recently pulled a two stage match trigger that felt very smooth. Current trigger seems hard to pull yet crisp. How hard is it to bed a stock? Is this rifle a short action or long action?</div></div>
This is how to tell if the barrel is free floating. Take a dollar bill. Wrap it loosely around the barrel. See how far it will slide up the barrel in between it and the stock. A free floated barrel you can slide it all the way to the action.
As far as the trigger goes. Remington makes a very good trigger that is adjustable. I don't know your mechanical ability so I would suggest taking it to a gunsmith to have it adjusted and smoothed out.
If you have some mechanical ability, there are three adjustments on them. The older ones take a very small slotted screwdriver. The newer ones take IIRC take a small allen? Don't quote me on that. Anyhow, there is spring tension in the front, take-up or trigger travel and lastly, most people forget is to adjust the safety. Never adjust travel and spring tension so light the safety won't go on. Stoning the mating surfaces of the sear/sear release needs to be done slowly and carefully with a fine stone so as to smooth the surfaces, not take a bunch off.
Again, if you're not sure how to do those things, leave it to a gunsmith.
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
I have a 30-06 built on a M98k action and it shoots circles around a lot of rifles. The 30-06 is no slouch, especially with the new 210gr class long range bullets available to the reloader.
I have yet to see a 308 which can put up the numbers that a 30-06 can do, the old saying with muscle cars is "there's no replacement for displacement". The same is true here. With another 15gr of powder in the case the 30-06 puts a serious advantage in speed over the 308.
With a Remington 700 receiver you can load the 30-06 with modern powders up to safe "modern" pressures and realize about 150-275fps above a 308.
With a 208 Amax my 30-06 shoots flatter and straighter than my 260 gas gun with 140 Amax's in it... though the recoil difference is rather less tolerable for long sessions.
I have a 30-06 built on a M98k action and it shoots circles around a lot of rifles. The 30-06 is no slouch, especially with the new 210gr class long range bullets available to the reloader.
I have yet to see a 308 which can put up the numbers that a 30-06 can do, the old saying with muscle cars is "there's no replacement for displacement". The same is true here. With another 15gr of powder in the case the 30-06 puts a serious advantage in speed over the 308.
With a Remington 700 receiver you can load the 30-06 with modern powders up to safe "modern" pressures and realize about 150-275fps above a 308.
With a 208 Amax my 30-06 shoots flatter and straighter than my 260 gas gun with 140 Amax's in it... though the recoil difference is rather less tolerable for long sessions.
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 30-06 built on a M98k action and it shoots circles around a lot of rifles. The 30-06 is no slouch, especially with the new 210gr class long range bullets available to the reloader.
I have yet to see a 308 which can put up the numbers that a 30-06 can do, the old saying with muscle cars is "there's no replacement for displacement". The same is true here. With another 15gr of powder in the case the 30-06 puts a serious advantage in speed over the 308.
With a Remington 700 receiver you can load the 30-06 with modern powders up to safe "modern" pressures and realize about 150-275fps above a 308.
With a 208 Amax my 30-06 shoots flatter and straighter than my 260 gas gun with 140 Amax's in it... though the recoil difference is rather less tolerable for long sessions.</div></div>
bohem,
Amen to that. All too often comparisons made to the 30-06 are made from WWII pressure spec's. Most people don't realize the 30-06 was <span style="font-style: italic">DOWNLOADED</span> to work in the M1 Garand. Which is pretty much why the .308 stays right up with it.
With modern powders an astute reloader can get as much as 2950 with a 168 gr. match bullet. I used to say hogwash to that, but 4350, 4831, AA3100, RE-22, and RE-17 all didn't exist for most of the .30-06's life. I fully concur with what bohem says about the heavier for caliber .30 cal loads. With a .308 it's hard to push them to a velocity where it matters. The .30-06 can do that easily in most cases. Without the recoil associated with the .300WM.
The big thing, especially with your barrel, XDMathias, is to find the accuracy nodes <span style="color: #3333FF">{edit: not speed}</span> and work on your shooting from those.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 30-06 built on a M98k action and it shoots circles around a lot of rifles. The 30-06 is no slouch, especially with the new 210gr class long range bullets available to the reloader.
I have yet to see a 308 which can put up the numbers that a 30-06 can do, the old saying with muscle cars is "there's no replacement for displacement". The same is true here. With another 15gr of powder in the case the 30-06 puts a serious advantage in speed over the 308.
With a Remington 700 receiver you can load the 30-06 with modern powders up to safe "modern" pressures and realize about 150-275fps above a 308.
With a 208 Amax my 30-06 shoots flatter and straighter than my 260 gas gun with 140 Amax's in it... though the recoil difference is rather less tolerable for long sessions.</div></div>
bohem,
Amen to that. All too often comparisons made to the 30-06 are made from WWII pressure spec's. Most people don't realize the 30-06 was <span style="font-style: italic">DOWNLOADED</span> to work in the M1 Garand. Which is pretty much why the .308 stays right up with it.
With modern powders an astute reloader can get as much as 2950 with a 168 gr. match bullet. I used to say hogwash to that, but 4350, 4831, AA3100, RE-22, and RE-17 all didn't exist for most of the .30-06's life. I fully concur with what bohem says about the heavier for caliber .30 cal loads. With a .308 it's hard to push them to a velocity where it matters. The .30-06 can do that easily in most cases. Without the recoil associated with the .300WM.
The big thing, especially with your barrel, XDMathias, is to find the accuracy nodes <span style="color: #3333FF">{edit: not speed}</span> and work on your shooting from those.
Re: Rem 700ADL 30.06 Possiblities?
My recipe for 30-06 ADL accuracy as I've done it and it works good. Step1: remove the factory rubber recoil pad and fill your buttstock with Great Stuff expanding foam insulation so it doesn't feel so hollow, don't know why but it helped, a lot, may have something to do with rigidity
Step 2: call your local gunsmith, tell him you want the factory trigger worked down to 2.5lbs wit hno creep and no overtravel, won't make the rifle more accurate, but you'll shoot it better not trying to wrestle a 5lb trigger
Step 3: Have said gusmith pillar bed the action and make sure he just isn't installing bedding pillars, you want a full skim bed, with the pillars, and lay a piece of 1/4" all thread in the forend so it doesn't flex when on the bipod, free float the barrel, and if he tells you it can't be done with an ADL, find a different gunsmith because he doesn't know what he's doing
Step 4: Lap your rings, and get some good glass, make sure your action holes are straight, sometimes they're not, especially if you bought your ADL at Wal-Mart, I own 4 ADL rifles, a 243, 30-06, 270, and 25-06, now discontinued
Step 5: you should be shooting considerably better by now, but if you still need more get everything trued, if headspace comes out a little deep, have your lug ground thinner, ore even better yet, have the barrel set back a turn and rechamber in the AI version to minimum headspace.
My recipe for 30-06 ADL accuracy as I've done it and it works good. Step1: remove the factory rubber recoil pad and fill your buttstock with Great Stuff expanding foam insulation so it doesn't feel so hollow, don't know why but it helped, a lot, may have something to do with rigidity
Step 2: call your local gunsmith, tell him you want the factory trigger worked down to 2.5lbs wit hno creep and no overtravel, won't make the rifle more accurate, but you'll shoot it better not trying to wrestle a 5lb trigger
Step 3: Have said gusmith pillar bed the action and make sure he just isn't installing bedding pillars, you want a full skim bed, with the pillars, and lay a piece of 1/4" all thread in the forend so it doesn't flex when on the bipod, free float the barrel, and if he tells you it can't be done with an ADL, find a different gunsmith because he doesn't know what he's doing
Step 4: Lap your rings, and get some good glass, make sure your action holes are straight, sometimes they're not, especially if you bought your ADL at Wal-Mart, I own 4 ADL rifles, a 243, 30-06, 270, and 25-06, now discontinued
Step 5: you should be shooting considerably better by now, but if you still need more get everything trued, if headspace comes out a little deep, have your lug ground thinner, ore even better yet, have the barrel set back a turn and rechamber in the AI version to minimum headspace.
