Remington 700 interchangablilty question

[dondlhmn]

I have an older Rem 700 stock Remington DM (SA, of course) in .308 Winch that has a sporter barrel on it. This rifle sort of fell out of the sky on my head, so I don't have a lot invested in it and am considering doing some playing around/experimenting by doing some basic converting/changes. (in the pic you can see a bolt knob I made while playing around on my lathe one day...I made 3 or 4 of them and that one just happens to be what is on the bolt right now) It "LOOKS TO ME" that the basic action is the same as every other Rem 700 and the only difference is that the stock is made to accept the "pinch release" Detachable Magazine and a normal Remmy 700 action/barrel bolted on.

Anyway, what I want to do is replace the stock with something like an HS Precision or whatever happens to row my boat made for a Light Varmint sized barrel and the bottom metal with "BDL" type metal. Basically the action and bolt will be sort of tweaked/machined to be "accurized", barrel replaced with (most likely) a Krieger 1:10 (maybe 1:11) #18, heavier precision recoil lug installed and the stock changed to something WAAY better than the original "overmold" piece of junk. All of that seems pretty doable to me, but without having to re-invent the wheel, I am wondering if the old Remington 700 "side pinch" stock/magazine used the same action as all the other Remington SA 700ss.....sure LOOKS that way to me, but I'm guessing that there are a few guys on this forum that have been down this bunny hole before and could tell me if what "looks" interchangeable to me truly is or not. Or is there something I am missing?

See attached pic for what I am starting with.....

ADVICE, comments and experiences please!!

Thanks,

Don J
Reno, NV

 

[rubicon_unlimited]

They are the same.

 

[Pahntr760]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the DBM factory guns have different, or lack, feed rails on the action. They use the magazine entirely to feed...?

StockysStocks.com (MBI, Inc.) Store Policy

"Rem 700 DBM - Identical stocks to the BDL except has slots in the side of the stock to accomodate magazine release buttons. You can file these slots yourself (see below). Aftermarket detachable magazine systems do not have these slots (i.e. Wyatt's or HS Precision DM's) so you'd want a standard BDL stock and take it from there. <b><i>IMPORTANT NOTE: Since Remington machines the feed rails off of their DBM receivers they cannot be converted to ADL or BDL magazine systems even though the stocks are basically the same</i></b>
(see above). If you want a better detachable mag system that will usually drop in to a BDL stock and will replace the Remington DM (or ADL/BDL for that matter) check out our Wyatt's DBM kits. In other words, if you have ANY Remington rifle, DM included, you can get any of our BDL stocks (of the correct action length and barrel of course), add the Wyatt's DBM kit and it will all go together with little or no fitting."

 

[dondlhmn]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the DBM factory guns have different, or lack, feed rails on the action. They use the magazine entirely to feed...?

StockysStocks.com (MBI, Inc.) Store Policy

"Rem 700 DBM - Identical stocks to the BDL except has slots in the side of the stock to accomodate magazine release buttons. You can file these slots yourself (see below). Aftermarket detachable magazine systems do not have these slots (i.e. Wyatt's or HS Precision DM's) so you'd want a standard BDL stock and take it from there. <b><i>IMPORTANT NOTE: Since Remington machines the feed rails off of their DBM receivers they cannot be converted to ADL or BDL magazine systems even though the stocks are basically the same</i></b>
(see above). If you want a better detachable mag system that will usually drop in to a BDL stock and will replace the Remington DM (or ADL/BDL for that matter) check out our Wyatt's DBM kits. In other words, if you have ANY Remington rifle, DM included, you can get any of our BDL stocks (of the correct action length and barrel of course), add the Wyatt's DBM kit and it will all go together with little or no fitting."

OK...just to be VERY CLEAR here......I am trying to GET RID OF the DM and putting an aftermarket DBM system on that rifle would be REALLY going in the wrong direction, not to mention costing a bunchh of money that I would much rather spend on actual ACCURACY and not on "tacticool", which after a whole career in the US Army doesn't interest me a bit.....Plus, I personally see no need for the DBM system...my preference is to do the job with one shot and not just be cranking ammo through the rifle and throwing stuff downrange.

 

[FCS]

Remington rifles with factory DBM do not have feed rails and MUST be fed from a DBM system.

Picture of where feed lips on receiver should be would also be most helpful to confirm presence or lack of needed feature to allow conversion of rifle back to BDL or ADL configuration.

 

[dondlhmn]

Well, it seems we have some differing opinions here, so I just now went up to my "gun /reloading room" (my wife calls it the JUNK ROOM!!) and took a Remmy 700 7mm-08 barreled action out of the stock (that gun is a CDL) and sat there with the barreled action from the DM .308 and the 7mm-08 right there side by side and compared them....I couldn't see ANY differences in the machining between the two of them...all rails, slots and other machined features seemed to be identical, as did everything I could see. OK...so they look the same....I then put the .308 (was in the DM setup) and put it into the 7mm-08 stock with all the stuff...floorplate, magazine "box" and everything from the 7mm-08 and put some cartridges in through the action. I then jacked them one by one through the action/chamber just as one normally would when firing a round and then reloading from the magazine. It worked perfectly...no hitches, glitches, jams or hesitations. Having compared the two actions very closely and then done this test, I now believe that the actions are the same and the only difference between a rifle with a floor plate, magazine box like the majority of 700s and the DM version is only the magazine and the stock. I guess maybe I answered my own question.....

Edit: I just went up and took some pictures...the action on the left in all of the pictures is off of the DM equipped rifle and the one on the right in all pictures is the 7mm-08 that had the usual hinged floor plate and magazine between the floor plate and the bottom of the action. I hope the pictures show enough detail so you all can see any differences...the pics were taken from the bottom right, straight into the bottom and then kind of looking into/through the loading/ejection port. In one picture you CAN see the bottom of the rear scope mount on the 7mm-08, so don't let that fool you. Just for further clarification, the one that is from the DM rifle has a one piece base and the two piece base outfit is the 7mm-08 that is from the "typical" two piece hinged bottom metal gun.

Anyone got any specific experiences or data (maybe from Remington) that would disprove my current findings? I'd like to hear from you!!

Thanks,

Don J
Reno, NV

 

[Randoman5]

Did it hurt when the rifle fell out of the sky on to your head?

 

[dondlhmn]

Did it hurt when the rifle fell out of the sky on to your head?

Naw....I got a REALLY HARD head!!!

 

[dondlhmn]

OK....it looks like my attempt to take pictures and then get them into my post above worked! Hallelujah!!

 

[Pahntr760]

Sorry...I was just trying to help. Used the quoted information from a reputable stock company as a reference. Good luck on your venture.

 

[dondlhmn]

Sorry...I was just trying to help. Used the quoted information from a reputable stock company as a reference. Good luck on your venture.

Hey...don't be sorry. One never knows what the so-called "experts" like the guys you quoted really know....or DON'T know. I thank you for your input and will say that it did help get me off of dead center so I dug in a little more. Also, I think there may be a nomenclature problem sticking its nose in here, too....seems that the terms "DB" (detachable Magazine) and "DBM" (detachable box magazine) are NOt as interchangeable as some people think they are......and when you look at the two of them, they ARE different!

 

[Pahntr760]

Are you sure the DBM wasn't a swap-in? Everything I have found on the factory DBM models suggest the feed rails are incorporated to the mag, and eliminated on the receiver. This is from various vendors, post here and elsewhere, etc...

 

[dondlhmn]

Are you sure the DBM wasn't a swap-in? Everything I have found on the factory DBM models suggest the feed rails are incorporated to the mag, and eliminated on the receiver. This is from various vendors, post here and elsewhere, etc...

Well, I can NOT be sure that it wasn't a swap-in as I don't know every detail of the history of this rifle, but if it is, whoever did it sure made it look factory. Also, there is likely some difference here due to the differences between DBM and DM.....it is turning out that they are quite different and are NOT interchangeable.

 

[techbrute]

Derail...

Nice bolt knob. Love the inset brass.

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