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Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

wizdumb

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I'll start off by saying this comparison is not apples to apples. The Leica CRF 1200 is discontinued and the Leupold RX-1000i is a brand-spanking-new product (at time of writing). This means that technology has changed, and probably gotten cheaper to produce between the product lifetime of the Leica and the introduction of the Leupold. That being said, the reason I am comparing these two is because the Leica is available used for around the same price point as the Leupold is new. What this means is folks looking to spend about $400-$500 on a rangefinder (as I was) may consider these two options.

For those individuals, I offer the following comparison of ranging capabilities from both models so that an informed purchase can be made.

Rangefinders:

Leupold RX-1000i
Product information

Leica CRF 1200 (discontinued)
Product information

Location:
37.775765° N 122.435249° W

Weather:
Temperature: 61°F
Pressure: 29.88 in
Visibility: 6.0 mi
Humidity: 67%
Wind: From W at 20mph

Targets:
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Alpha: (Bus stop)
Bravo: (Yellow building)
Charlie: (Restaurant at intersection)
Delta: (AC unit on retirement center)
Echo: (Parked car)

Notes:
Every reading taken 2-3 times to verify.
Readings taken while seated, using arms/legs for support. No tripod or solid rest.

Settings:
Leupold: TBR (true ballistic range) , BAS/AC (Ballistic setting for .308win and similar), Output in meters.
Leica: N/A

Results:

Leupold RX-1000i:
A: 138m
B: 371m
C: 431m
D: 596m
E: 907m

Leica CRF 1200:
A: 154m
B: 407m
C: 475m
D: 652m
E: 991m


Additional feedback:

The Leica screen is not as bright as Leupold, making it difficult to read results in bright daylight.

The Leupold is much more intuitive than the Leica when it comes to changing the settings, but it has the advantage of having an additional button. Still, it doesn't make me read and remember the number of times the screen blinks (even harder when you consider the previous point). To make it even easier, the Leupold comes with a handy little plastic instruction card that fits into a tiny back pocket of the carry case.

Both rangefinders were able to range targets with an equal level of difficulty/ease, depending on the distance. That is to say, one did not range targets easier than the other. As noted earlier, I believe I would have improved my ability to range targets with the use of a tripod or rest.


I sincerely hope this report helps some folks make an informed decision with their purchase. Thanks for reading!
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

Sir:
I see you have different ranges for the Leopold and the Leica, what is the correct range? Or is the difference because the Leupold is using the "true ballistic range"? I'm in the market for a rangefinder and have been considering the Leupold with the TBR.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armydog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sir:
I see you have different ranges for the Leopold and the Leica, what is the correct range? Or is the difference because the Leupold is using the "true ballistic range"? I'm in the market for a rangefinder and have been considering the Leupold with the TBR.
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Correct, there were different ranges given by each rangefinder. I do believe that this is because the TBR engine was enabled on the Leupold, which I had intended to turn off to make the comparison easier. I had simply forgot to do so and didn't notice until I checked the settings after the fact.

On that point, it's important to note that the Leupold takes angle into account, and these test targets were ranged from the top of a hill. This is likely a contributing factor for the discrepancies.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

The Leica is very nice. That being said, I wouldn't part with my Leupold. For my growing skills, the TBR is great for me.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

Interesting. Can you get the incline info without the TBR (does it give an angle reading)? Ballistic stuff doesn't take into account AD and so I'd prefer it without the ballistics.

nice, quick review, thanks.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

If I recall correctly, the Leupold does provide an angle reading, regardless of whether TBR is enabled or not.

I can give it a try and verify for you if you like.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

only compare devices with the same settings (no auto-correcting of ranges by some obscure formula the company does not really disclose).

like eventhorizon, i'd like to see that they both really give the same real distance on a set of test ranges.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

Since I've recently sold the Leica, what I can do in a follow-up report is provide the readings from the Leupold with and without TBR for comparison.

Since TBR takes angle into account, it most likely uses this for rifleman's rule[1], which is an accurate technique and not "some obscure formula". You might be able to call Leupold and talk to a technician about it to see if they are willing to disclose more information without releasing their intellectual property.

[1] More info on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifleman's_rule
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

the follow up review would be great. I'm really interested in this now seeing as I don't have a LRF and this would be a low cost option that would have everything I'd need for my .308.

Thanks
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

I wonder if the TBR really made that much differance in the readings. Those are some big differances especially in the longer ranges.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wizdumb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it most likely uses this for rifleman's rule[1]</div></div>

'likely' is not precise. not definite. bottom line - 'likely' = 'do not know'

unless stated in the manual, or properly referenced, their correction is obscure. they rather hit you with the 'intellectual property' hammer than admit that they use the first formula they found, hard-coded it into the microprocessor and are not willing to change that because of 'negligible deviations'
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: threetrees</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
'likely' is not precise. not definite. bottom line - 'likely' = 'do not know'

unless stated in the manual, or properly referenced, their correction is obscure. they rather hit you with the 'intellectual property' hammer than admit that they use the first formula they found, hard-coded it into the microprocessor and are not willing to change that because of 'negligible deviations' </div></div>

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions here. In my experience, communications with Leupold have been extraordinarily helpful.

Either way, discussing the details of their TBR software is no the point of the thread.

I'll provide a comparison with the TBR enabled and disabled and provide the angle measurements so that readers can continue to make informed purchases.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wizdumb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since TBR takes angle into account, it most likely uses this for rifleman's rule[1], which is an accurate technique and not "some obscure formula".</div></div>

Let' just hope it is at least the IRR (Improved Rifleman's Rule). The plain old rifleman's rule copied into an electronic algorithm would be sh**.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

one the comment from yards/meters: i think you found it SagebrushShooter

Leupold RX-1000i:
A: 138m
B: 371m
C: 431m
D: 596m
E: 907m

Leica CRF 1200:
A: 154m (yards?) -> 141m
B: 407m (yards?) -> 372m
C: 475m (yards?) -> 434m
D: 652m (yards?) -> 596m
E: 991m (yards?) -> 906m

basically: perfect agreement _if_ we assume the leica was reading yards and the leupold meters.
 
Re: Report: Leica CRF 1200 v.s. Leupold RX-1000i

You know, I thought I was certain that the Leica model I had was meters only. The information page, however, indicates that there are two versions of the CRF1200, one which reads in yards and one which reads in meters. Since I no longer own it, I can't confirm which it was.

The range conversions that threetrees provided to make me wonder... I will try to contact the person I sold it to, to try and confirm.

Nice work!