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Rifle matches During Biden/Harris

Awag1000

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A co-worker of mine brought up a great point. Both of us are trying to get a team together to attempt the king of 2 miles. However one of the things Biden has in his Gun control plan is no transporting firearms across state lines without permission. How likely is this to happen given a Biden/Harris administration? What will a Biden/Harris administration mean for the long range shooting sports?
Sorry if my questions sound like they answer themselves, I just don't pay too much attention to politics it's all noise to me. Thanks for your time. -Austin.
 
I have a friend from Belgium named Willie. Willie is a competitive handgun shooter. After passing a 2 year long investigation to determine that he could own a handgun he was allowed to join a range and rent a locker there to keep his gun. He is not allowed to remove his gun from the range.

I bring up my friend Willie, not because you will enjoy laughing at him but because if President Trump fails in his legal challenges we may end up envious of Willie.
 
Hi,

Since there is pretty long list of qualifications in order to be "accepted" to shoot the KO2M along with the fact you are completely new to ELR shooting per your other thread.

I would not worry about what hasn't been passed yet in regards to what Biden wants and what Biden can get passed.

Focus more on meeting the qualifications in order to participate in the KO2M as your priority hypotheticals right now, you will keep more hair that way, lol.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
Hi,

Since there is pretty long list of qualifications in order to be "accepted" to shoot the KO2M along with the fact you are completely new to ELR shooting per your other thread.

I would not worry about what hasn't been passed yet in regards to what Biden wants and what Biden can get passed.

Focus more on meeting the qualifications in order to participate in the KO2M as your priority hypotheticals right now, you will keep more hair that way, lol.

Sincerely,
Theis
That's end goal. Were probably about 2 years out from being able to attempt to participate. However by that time a Biden Harris administration will be in full swing.
 
YThe BATF regulates the transportation of firearms, not some senile old bastard who doesn't
t know what state he's in or what office he's running for.
 
Did Congress have to approve Clinton's '94 gun ban? I can't remember.

Yes. The Semi-Auto and Hi Cap magazine ban had to pass both houses of congress and get the president's signature.

As a sidenote, the increased partisanship has decreased the number of bill sent to the president, leading to the rise of "Executive Orders" (EO) where the president tries to issue directives based on current law. That is why we see things like the "bump-stock" ban because the president interprets an existing law, they do not get to implement new ones.

The flip side in the legal mumbo jumbo presidents will go through to get their way is a very real threat. However, something like making semi-autos into NFA items is probably (but not impossible) not doable by EO. If you watch the chatter, firearms have not been mentioned, its more immigration, environmental, and the whatnot.

Keep your ear to the ground though and your powder dry.
 
When did the Senate and the House address the "bump stock thing"?

How the ban came about
Soon after the Las Vegas shooting, President Donald Trump vowed to outlaw bump stocks.
But some lawmakers and gun lobbyists resisted, making new legislation unlikely. That made a regulatory change the only realistic path to accomplishing Trump's goal.
At his direction, the Justice Department in March 2018 proposed a rule clarifying that bump stocks were not merely parts but instead were "machine guns" -- what the federal government calls fully automatic weapons -- as defined by existing law.
Why? Because "such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger," similar to automatic rifles, the department said.
Defining bump stocks as machine guns effectively bans them. Civilian possession of fully automatic weapons was outlawed in 1986 except for those already lawfully in people's ownership.
After considering public comments about the proposal, the department finalized and published the rule on December 26.
And there is no grandfather clause for bump stocks, the new rule says, because they weren't manufactured until well after the 1986 law went into effect.
Some gun-owner advocacy groups sued the Justice Department, asking federal courts to prevent the ban. In one case, a judge in February rejected plaintiffs' arguments that the Justice Department violated procedural requirements, and that the official who signed the rule, Matthew Whitaker, then the acting US attorney general, did not have authority to do so.
The Supreme Court received two emergency appeals Monday night. In one of the cases, which had been before the US Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, Chief Justice John Roberts declined an emergency request to put the ban on hold.
In another case out of the 6th US Circuit Court of Appeals, Gun Owners of America and other individuals are asking for a stay, arguing the final rule "reverses well over a decade of consistent ATF classification of bump stocks as unregulated firearm accessories." Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who has jurisdiction over the 6th Circuit, asked the Trump administration for a response by 4 p.m. Tuesday.

VooDoo
 
Hi,

Forgo the political hypotheticals for a minute, lol and lets get to discussions in regards to the bold text above.

Sincerely,
Theis
What would you like to talk about?
I'm working on bullet designs in my spare time.
Are they good designs? Who knows, probably not.
It's just a hobby of mine.
 
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Hi,

Alloys?
Manufacturing process?
Calibers?
Software used for design and simulations?

Sincerely,
Theis
I really am interested in CNC machined solid copper bullets.
As of right now I'm just focusing on 308 and 338 diameter bullets.
The only program I use right now is Fusion 360 and their fluid/flow simulator.
I've managed to get a few of my designs made into prototypes made from 100% copper. They performed quite well at 300 yards (that was all I had access to at the time). Now that I have access to a 1.5mile range, I can make more prototypes and test them in the real world.
 
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I really am interested in CNC machined solid copper bullets.
As of right now I'm just focusing on 308 and 338 diameter bullets.
The only program I use right now is Fusion 360 and their fluid/flow simulator.
I've managed to get a few of my designs made into prototypes made from 100% copper. They performed quite well at 300 yards (that was all I had access to at the time). Now that I have access to a 1.5mile range, I can make more prototypes and test them in the real world.

I'm not hear to crap anyone's dreams, but you might (figuratively and literally) set your sights a little lower than KO2M and conceive of some some more achievable goals. Again, not bashing you at all, but your posts demonstrate that your knowledge base needs to be expanded significantly before stepping into the "extreme" version of anything ballistic related. If you try to go from zero to hero, you will just get frustrated and quit. Maybe consider medium range f-class as a stepping stone and hang out there for a while.
 
I don't see that going anywhere. The 2A doesn't say you can keep and bear arms in your state and only in your state.

I know he wants to essentially put everything into the NFA registry and even tax mags. In that scenario you would technically need to ask permission to cross state lines as currently enforced for everything NFA except cans at the moment. Can he get that done? Who knows but there is already similar regulations already on the books.
 
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I know he wants to essentially put everything into the NFA registry and even tax mags. In that scenario you would technically need to ask permission to cross state lines as currently enforced for everything NFA except cans at the moment. Can he get that done? Who knows but there is already similar regulations already on the books.

There's this (pointlessly, probably) optimistic part of me that says if they go full retard trying to cram everything into the NFA, that this will open the door for the entire NFA to be tossed or severely curtailed by the SCOTUS. How long that would take, even if it's remotely possible, is anyone's guess.
 
There's this (pointlessly, probably) optimistic part of me that says if they go full retard trying to cram everything into the NFA, that this will open the door for the entire NFA to be tossed or severely curtailed by the SCOTUS. How long that would take, even if it's remotely possible, is anyone's guess.

Shit, wouldn’t that be something? In the never ending mission of gun control the left is the one to end the NFA madness? That would be pretty awesome.
 
Those types of changes require legislation, and cannot be done through EO. FOPA of 1986, which regretably banned new manufacturer of machine guns, did protect interstate travel with firearms which may otherwise be illegal through a jurisdiction. In other words, you can travel from one state to the other with your guns, especially bolt guns which are legal in all jurisdictions anyhow.

But as to what legislation we may soon see proposed, that's why the Senate is so critical as well as pressure on Representatives whom are from swing districts.
 
I really am interested in CNC machined solid copper bullets.
As of right now I'm just focusing on 308 and 338 diameter bullets.
The only program I use right now is Fusion 360 and their fluid/flow simulator.
I've managed to get a few of my designs made into prototypes made from 100% copper. They performed quite well at 300 yards (that was all I had access to at the time). Now that I have access to a 1.5mile range, I can make more prototypes and test them in the real world.

Hi,

Gotcha, I assume that you work in engineering field if you have the full version of Fusion 360 with the finite element analysis suite.

Just FWIW....
Pretty much every cnc machine can cut monos but not every cnc can manufacturer monos.
Temperatures on which the copper is cut matters just as much as the copper temperature during the machining. You can get dimensional changes to the projectiles from deviations in either of those.
For the sake of your sanity, lol....start with designing of projectiles designed to be functional in supersonic speeds before you attempt to design for transonic and subsonic speeds. You will thank me later.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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Hi,

Gotcha, I assume that you work in engineering field if you have the full version of Fusion 360 with the finite element analysis suite.

Just FWIW....
Pretty much every cnc machine can cut monos but not every cnc can manufacturer monos.
Temperatures on which the copper is cut matters just as much as the copper temperature during the machining. You can get dimensional changes to the projectiles from deviations in either of those.
For the sake of your sanity, lol....start with designing of projectiles designed to be functional in supersonic speeds before you attempt to design for transonic and subsonic speeds. You will thank me latter.

Sincerely,
Theis
Thank you.
 
There's this (pointlessly, probably) optimistic part of me that says if they go full retard trying to cram everything into the NFA, that this will open the door for the entire NFA to be tossed or severely curtailed by the SCOTUS. How long that would take, even if it's remotely possible, is anyone's guess.
Im sure ATF would be super efficient at handling the influx of all these new firearms into the NFA (sarcasm). Assuming people actually comply.

The NFA is a legal sham anyways.
 
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How the ban came about
Soon after the Las Vegas shooting, President Donald Trump vowed to outlaw bump stocks.
But some lawmakers and gun lobbyists resisted, making new legislation unlikely. That made a regulatory change the only realistic path to accomplishing Trump's goal.
At his direction, the Justice Department in March 2018 proposed a rule clarifying that bump stocks were not merely parts but instead were "machine guns" -- what the federal government calls fully automatic weapons -- as defined by existing law.
Why? Because "such devices allow a shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger," similar to automatic rifles, the department said.
Defining bump stocks as machine guns effectively bans them. Civilian possession of fully automatic weapons was outlawed in 1986 except for those already lawfully in people's ownership.
After considering public comments about the proposal, the department finalized and published the rule on December 26.
And there is no grandfather clause for bump stocks, the new rule says, because they weren't manufactured until well after the 1986 law went into effect.
Some gun-owner advocacy groups sued the Justice Department, asking federal courts to prevent the ban. In one case, a judge in February rejected plaintiffs' arguments that the Justice Department violated procedural requirements, and that the official who signed the rule, Matthew Whitaker, then the acting US attorney general, did not have authority to do so.
The Supreme Court received two emergency appeals Monday night. In one of the cases, which had been before the US Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, Chief Justice John Roberts declined an emergency request to put the ban on hold.
In another case out of the 6th US Circuit Court of Appeals, Gun Owners of America and other individuals are asking for a stay, arguing the final rule "reverses well over a decade of consistent ATF classification of bump stocks as unregulated firearm accessories." Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who has jurisdiction over the 6th Circuit, asked the Trump administration for a response by 4 p.m. Tuesday.

VooDoo

Great explanation, but to answer the question: The Senate and House never did address the bump stock thing, right?

Therefor it is not really important which party has the majority in those bodies relative to the President being able to make certain items illegal, correct?

He (or she as the case may be) can just do whatever they want simply by "clarifying the rules".
 
Hi,

Gotcha, I assume that you work in engineering field if you have the full version of Fusion 360 with the finite element analysis suite.

Just FWIW....
Pretty much every cnc machine can cut monos but not every cnc can manufacturer monos.
Temperatures on which the copper is cut matters just as much as the copper temperature during the machining. You can get dimensional changes to the projectiles from deviations in either of those.
For the sake of your sanity, lol....start with designing of projectiles designed to be functional in supersonic speeds before you attempt to design for transonic and subsonic speeds. You will thank me later.

Sincerely,
Theis
Fusion has decent horsepower with all the bells and whistles.

R
 
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There's few things I know for sure, and one of them is the supreme court will NEVER overturn the NFA. Never.

We have a better chance of electing a fillibuster proof majority in both chambers and repealing through legislation. Which will be incredibly damn near impossible
 
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I have a friend from Belgium named Willie. Willie is a competitive handgun shooter. After passing a 2 year long investigation to determine that he could own a handgun he was allowed to join a range and rent a locker there to keep his gun. He is not allowed to remove his gun from the range.

I bring up my friend Willie, not because you will enjoy laughing at him but because if President Trump fails in his legal challenges we may end up envious of Willie.

Then it may be time to be a Constitutionalist and stand (or be prone) tall.

if you dont believe in it (COTUS and the Republic) enough to risk everything for it, then what are you really doing?

more rhetorical than directed at you @diverdon.
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