Robert Mcnamara

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He was a citified bean counting POS who got many men killed. After some of us woke-up an seen this country's leadership for what it truly was back then, we rethought many things. Him, LBJ, Kiss-assinger an a handfull of others are the reason we are where we are today. Sometimes it's best to kill the King, or his internal enemy's to save the Republic,...
 

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I don't like him, esp. in his old age. I didn't like him when I was young, and I don't like him now when I am old. He literally cries a lot now, which I find disgusting. He is a murder of thousands of good young American men in my opinion. Yes, I agree, he is a POS who killed many. Looking forward to standing on his head in hell.
 
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I don't like him, esp. in his old age. I didn't like him when I was young, and I don't like him now when I am old. He literally cries a lot now, which I find disgusting. He is a murder of thousands of good young American men in my opinion. Yes, I agree, he is a POS who killed many. Looking forward to standing on his head in hell.
You realize that he's been dead for nearly 11 years, right?
 

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My favorite part of a docu-series on him and the war was when they had some sort of gigantic computer in the basement of the Pentagon (I think?) that took up entire rooms. I can't remember the exact dates, but the story went like this.

They were so deadset on basically a spreadsheet approach to fighting the war and had a formula they thought that through attrition rates would determine the time at which they'd defeat the Vietnamese. So they put all of their variables together from their mountains of daily reports that were required from the commanders in Vietnam, plugged them into the computer and ran it to get a date at which they would win.

It ran over the weekend and finally spit out a report sometime 3-4 days after starting it. The date at which they should win was (making this up) March 3rd 1968. The only problem was, it was already 1969.
 

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No I didn't, I guess I didn't get invited to his funeral. Last time I saw him he was bawling like a little baby in DC. Where's he buried? I want to go piss on his grave.

Oh never mind, I looked it up.

Looks like I'll be stopping by here next time I'm in Arlington wandering around smoking a fatty or watching a real American soldier be laid down:

Arlington Nat'l Cem'try, Section 2, Grave 1233-A

Its a sham they wasted a soldier's grave on this incompetent murdering bureaucrat. He doesn't deserve to rest there with real Heros.

They should dig this ass up an dump his worthless carcass in the Tidal Basin on an outgoing tide.


 
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My favorite part of a docu-series on him and the war was when they had some sort of gigantic computer in the basement of the Pentagon (I think?) that took up entire rooms. I can't remember the exact dates, but the story went like this.

They were so deadset on basically a spreadsheet approach to fighting the war and had a formula they thought that through attrition rates would determine the time at which they'd defeat the Vietnamese. So they put all of their variables together from their mountains of daily reports that were required from the commanders in Vietnam, plugged them into the computer and ran it to get a date at which they would win.

It ran over the weekend and finally spit out a report sometime 3-4 days after starting it. The date at which they should win was (making this up) March 3rd 1968. The only problem was, it was already 1969.
"There's the old apocryphal story that in 1967, they went to the basement of the Pentagon, when the mainframe computers took up the whole basement, and they put on the old punch cards everything you could quantify. Numbers of ships, numbers of tanks, numbers of helicopters, artillery, machine gun, ammo—everything you could quantify,” says James Willbanks, the chair of military history at U.S. Army Command and General Staff College. “They put it in the hopper and said, ‘When will we win in Vietnam?' They went away on Friday and the thing ground away all weekend. [They] came back on Monday and there was one card in the output tray. And it said, 'You won in 1965.'”
 

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No I didn't, I guess I didn't get invited to his funeral. Last time I saw him he was bawling like a little baby in DC. Where's he buried? I want to go piss on his grave.

Oh never mind, I looked it up.

Looks like I'll be stopping by here next time I'm in Arlington wandering around smoking a fatty or watching a real American soldier be laid down:

Arlington Nat'l Cem'try, Section 2, Grave 1233-A

Its a sham they wasted a soldier's grave on this incompetent murdering bureaucrat. He doesn't deserve to rest there with real Heros.

They should dig this ass up an dump his worthless carcass in the Tidal Basin on an outgoing tide.


Not worth wasting the urine brother or the bail money for catchin a federal charge in Arlington. And I wouldn't want to contaminate the water of the Intracoastal Waterway with his decoposing ass. But he was a real waste of oxygen and probably helped get Kennedy killed. I know Kennedy was looking for ideas but, damn. Be willing to bet he was the asshat that aproved the change in contract spec rifle powders to save a penny, grunts be damned....
 
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I've read several books on him. One point that really stuck out was in the late 60's and Vietnam was in the crapper, he brought in a consultant from the Rand Corporation to provide suggestions to the top folks at the White house. All the big hitters were there. The first thing the Rand guy asks those present in the room was to see their PLAN to win the war......... Apparently, there were a lot of blank stares in the room as there was NO written plan to win the war....... I found that interesting...
 

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A man both fascinating and repellant at the same time. Before he passed on he was the individual I would have like to have had lunch with more than any other... so much history revolves around him.

Errol Morris Fog of War is a great documentary. If there is another one out there, let me know. I have a whole bookshelf on McNamara...

Sirhr
 

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Before he passed on he was the individual I would have like to have had lunch with more than any other...
Me as well, as I would have loved to see if my fork or steak knife could have touched his spine after passing thru his windpipe. I'd have recorded the gurgling sound for later, knowing it was the sound of him drowning in his own blood. Fuck him, his B/S killed lots of good kids/men that thought they were doing the right thing. Only to find out later we all where just being used as cannon fodder in a B/S chest game.
 

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Without him Ar15 would/could have ended on a scrap heap and you would be hustling FN Fal clones to this day
 

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Me as well, as I would have loved to see if my fork or steak knife could have touched his spine after passing thru his windpipe. I'd have recorded the gurgling sound for later, knowing it was the sound of him drowning in his own blood. Fuck him, his B/S killed lots of good kids/men that thought they were doing the right thing. Only to find out later we all where just being used as cannon fodder in a B/S chest game.
And yet his analysis while working on LeMay’s staff in WW2 pacific theater totally turned the tide of the strategic bombing campaign against Japan. And did more to end the Pacific War, arguably, than The Manhattan Project, saving hundreds of thousands of GI’s.

And he was far from alone in his mid-handling of Vietnam... and had Kennedy lived would likely have been the architect of withdrawal. But he became LBJ’s “Yes Man” for years while letting a greater idiot, Westmoreland, spreadsheet his way through a battle of attrition that the USA could never win. And LBJ made things worse as a consummate pandering political hack... only interested in his legacy and power and unable to unstick himself from Vietnam. And if anyone turned Vietnam from a morass into simply a chess game, it was not McNamara, but Henry Kissinger... but he is another story all together.

Like I said... McNamara was fascinating and repellent. But not the root of all evil... at least not when it came to Vietnam. And while Westmoreland never admitted his leadership was appalling, McNamara very much admitted his own failures and was able to recognize systemic failures in the political and bureaucratic handling of Vietnam while he was SecDef.

If there is one thing that he really was ‘evil’ for it was The World Bank, which he headed for years. It was the gift assignment he got for his loyalty to LBJ. One of the roots of all globalism... and responsible for a lot of damage death and through endless handouts that turned 3/4 of the world into dependent debtors while allowing tinpot dictators to loot their nations for 2 generations.

Cheers, Sirhr
 
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Without him Ar15 would/could have ended on a scrap heap and you would be hustling FN Fal clones to this day
so we would have
bombed the north sooner
Pulled out sooner
Or possibly had the FAL in 6 or7mm like it was originally designed

still happy he’s dead.
 

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And yet his analysis while working on LeMay’s staff in WW2 pacific theater totally turned the tide of the strategic bombing campaign against Japan. And did more to end the Pacific War, arguably, than The Manhattan Project, saving hundreds of thousands of GI’s.

And he was far from alone in his mid-handling of Vietnam... and had Kennedy lived would likely have been the architect of withdrawal. But he became LBJ’s “Yes Man” for years while letting a greater idiot, Westmoreland, spreadsheet his way through a battle of attrition that the USA could never win. And LBJ made things worse as a consummate pandering political hack... only interested in his legacy and power and unable to unstick himself from Vietnam. And if anyone turned Vietnam from a morass into simply a chess game, it was not McNamara, but Henry Kissinger... but he is another story all together.

Like I said... McNamara was fascinating and repellent. But not the root of all evil... at least not when it came to Vietnam. And while Westmoreland never admitted his leadership was appalling, McNamara very much admitted his own failures and was able to recognize systemic failures in the political and bureaucratic handling of Vietnam while he was SecDef.

If there is one thing that he really was ‘evil’ for it was The World Bank, which he headed for years. It was the gift assignment he got for his loyalty to LBJ. One of the roots of all globalism... and responsible for a lot of damage death and through endless handouts that turned 3/4 of the world into dependent debtors while allowing tinpot dictators to loot their nations for 2 generations.

Cheers, Sirhr
He was nothing more than a fucking bean counting, ass sucking, fuck ball who was always looking for the easy way out. His B/S like all the rest of the leadership in that time frame, is why many of those to come after them seen what they could get away with. I give you present day America,...
 

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He was nothing more than a fucking bean counting, ass sucking, fuck ball who was always looking for the easy way out. His B/S like all the rest of the leadership in that time frame, is why many of those to come after them seen what they could get away with. I give you present day America,...
No argument from me! LBJ and his administration (including McNamara) is the root of where we are today.

The Great Society 'new slavery' in which the plantations were high-rise projects and the crop was votes... has engineered the destruction of an entire segment of the American population. And the national hissy fit that the Hippies got away with protesting VN... turned them into generations of Marxist radicals... in many cases on the payroll of the USSR. Infiltrating, manipulating, destroying... termites. Now they are emerging from the nest. And if you want to see how it all plays out, look at the third world... funded to the tune of trillions (of our tax dollars) funneled to third world largesse that has turned 7/8ths of the world into beggar, debtor nations.

When Iacocca, in his self-titled book, referred to the lack of leadership and vision at Ford and said it was all 'bean counters' he was totally referring to McNamara.

Sirhr
 

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He was a piece of shit bean counter/idiot. One of his fucktard ideas was that "gunfighting was obsolete", thus F4 Phantom jets initially did not have a cannon. Then he bitched that missiles cost too much when the USAF had to shoot them two at a time because they would break lock and fail to track and destroy targets, dog fighting and other important pilot skills were degrading his entire tenure. Hundreds of aircrewmen suffered this fool by dying.

I always felt it was retaliation against General LeMay that got the USAF shooting programs gutted in 1969, the year after he retired. The shooting programs were a pet project of his and the USAF pistol and rifle teams were the equal of the Army's AMU back in the day. These two guys did not like one another.
 

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He was a piece of shit bean counter/idiot. One of his fucktard ideas was that "gunfighting was obsolete", thus F4 Phantom jets initially did not have a cannon.
Yep an more than a few on the ground in the early days paid a heavy price for that shit, not counting the guys in the air. Leadership back then was much like throwing darts at "The Next Play" chart. Those guys who thought out of the box were admonished, an one was called before congress because His program was working so well,...
 

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He's where he can't screw up America any further. He's gone to his reward; better he than we.

That's enough for me. Anything more is just wasting time, energy, and freedom on a a long lost cause.

Dead is dead; and some deaths can be redemptive for the victims.

Let's just leave it at that.