Rifle Scopes S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

[Kiba]

As the subject says, I'm looking for experienced opinions of guys who have spent time behind both reticles. I hate posting an "X vs. Y" thread but I'd really like some input from anyone who has spent time behind both the S&B and the Kahles as I've only spent time behind the S&B.

I've spent quite a bit of time behind a friend's S&B 5-25 with the H2CMR reticle; I like the glass, the DT turrets are pretty darn good even if the detents are a little close together, and I *really* like the H2CMR reticle for all the holdover & ranging options.

I've done a lot of reading on the Kahles 6-24 and it seems like a great scope. I like the parallax location (even if it lacks the 10m capability of the S&B), I have no doubts about glass quality, and it sounds like the turrets are very positive. One thing that stands out right away to me is that while I like the Mil4 reticle much better than say a P4F it doesn't offer as many fine ranging options as the H2CMR.

To anyone that has spent time behind both of these scopes and reticles and can offer their experience: Did you feel that the Mil4 in the Kahles was lacking in any way over the H2CMR? Any other compelling reasons to spend the extra $450 for the S&B?

 

[bward]

Re: S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

I've used both. The H2CMR is better than the Mil4 in my opinion. The 10 yard parallax on the S&B is also an advantage it has if you shoot matches.

 

[Kiba]

Re: S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

Thanks for the input.

I'm trying to make up my mind; as of now I have a trio of S&B 5-25 H2CMRs on backorder that are expected in about 3 months while the Kahles is ready to ship right now. Going Kahles would save about $1350 over S&B but I'd lose the 10M parallax capability (not a big deal 98% of the time, but the 10M capability of the S&B is nice to have for those rare occasions) and I've spent time behind and really like the H2CMR reticle.

I was seriously interested in the NF BEAST and was ready to change my order depending on what they unveiled-- while I like the feature set I'm not a fan of the Mil-R reticle, at least seeing it on my monitor. Maybe seeing one in person will change my opinion.

As of now I'm sticking with the S&B backorder but the Kahles is very tempting.

 

[warbird2006]

Re: S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

Both are excellent scopes, both over $3k.You can not go wrong.

 

[Graham]

Re: S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

warbird has something to sell.....Only 37 more posts to go.

 

[Gray]

Re: S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">warbird has something to sell.....Only 37 more posts to go.</div></div>

Hahaha, saw that too! Been working hard all day at it too.

 

[Coloradocop]

Re: S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

I do like the layout of the H2CMR reticle. I just got a S&B 3-20x50 with that reticle, after making a last minute decision to buy it over the P4f I had been intending to get. As this is a new scope for me, I don't have a whole lot of information to convey to you about it (I always hate reviews from people who unbox a product, don't use it, then give it glowing reviews).

I've used my scope for two range days thus far, and I will say that it seems like most of the things on the S&B are pretty well thought out (turrets with zero stop, pop-up turret on second revolution, and the MTC click on every full mil are things I've thus far enjoyed). Glass is also very clear, but it darn sure ought to be in this price class!

 

[pmclaine]

Re: S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

There is a 5-25X56 MTC LT CCW (RAL 8000) in the glass for sale section. MSR reticle so you would have the ability to range down to .5 mil. I think Lazy 21 is asking $3800.

 

[zenghost]

Re: S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">warbird has something to sell.....Only 37 more posts to go. </div></div>

Yes. So very annoying...

My apologies for the off-topic post.

 

[GlockandRoll]

Re: S&B H2CMR vs Kahles Mil4, experience?

I've spent some time with both at 1K and think the S&B has better color and image sharpness at max power but like the K624i reticle better, and the way the illumination works and where the focus is, on top.