SAC to be back
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...lear-bombers-are-being-put-back-24-hour-alert
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Im only in my 30s. In your opinion how do tensions throughout the world compare to recent past. 1950s through 2000. Seems a little tense to me, but I don't really have any comparisons.
who knows
Im only in my 30s. In your opinion how do tensions throughout the world compare to recent past. 1950s through 2000. Seems a little tense to me, but I don't really have any comparisons.
Those articles are complete propaganda for the purpose of making the reader think there is some dire reason for the readiness.
The story originates from DefenseOne Magazine which is owned by David Bradley of Atlantic Media. Atlantic also owns the National Journal - a policy advocacy journal that leans left. The DefenseOne story quotes Gen Goldfein USAF Chief of Staff who basically says ‘no we’'re not on alert now, but we’'’re looking for mission creep’, the article then goes on to make the supposition as to the reasons for such a (potential) alert as the Norks and missiles + increasing Russian ability to kick ass + Trump’s confrontational approach to the Norks.
An ICBM is much quicker response. Unless and in the event that ICBM’s can be neutralized by an enemy and this a telegraphed backup plan, this is sophomoric posturing that will largely be understood as inconsequential by an enemy, and yet have a psychological impact on the American body public.
Don’t believe the hype.
The story originates from DefenseOne Magazine which is owned by David Bradley of Atlantic Media. Atlantic also owns the National Journal - a policy advocacy journal that leans left. The DefenseOne story quotes Gen Goldfein USAF Chief of Staff who basically says ‘no we’'re not on alert now, but we’'’re looking for mission creep’, the article then goes on to make the supposition as to the reasons for such a (potential) alert as the Norks and missiles + increasing Russian ability to kick ass + Trump’s confrontational approach to the Norks.
An ICBM is much quicker response. Unless and in the event that ICBM’s can be neutralized by an enemy and this a telegraphed backup plan, this is sophomoric posturing that will largely be understood as inconsequential by an enemy, and yet have a psychological impact on the American body public.
Don’t believe the hype.
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Don't think it's hype, I think it's a message to those who were not players before SAC went Tit's up.
I don't see/feel much of a change from the 50's to now myself. Even though back then we did duck an cover drills at least once a month, an every one had to know where the nearest fallout shelter was. I think if anything is delivered to US soil, it will not be via a missile, or plane.
Old photo of a B-52 getting EMP tested
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I heard about this months ago... Forget where. Must have been some propaganda outlet like CNN or Fox.
Guess these fuckers never watched Dr. Strangelove.
It's literally a matter of time before one of these goes off, either as an accident or as a deliberate attack.
And if our president is authentic, then it'll be sooner than later I'll wager. If he's playing poker, then he's got the goddamn best face and act I've ever seen, period, just hope it works out instead of backfiring.
Back in the day there were 3 "red star" targets: NYC, the economy, DC, the seat of power, and Hunstville AL, where nearly 90% of our weapons technology is developed. That's a fact, Jack. Those would likely be any attacker's main target (and were on 9/11 in fact, save Huntsville which planes won't work too well on).
All our parents knew what nukes did, many of 'em helped design or make 'em. They didn't waste time on duck and cover, that was always propaganda to make the peons think they had a chance.
There were fallout shelters everywhere, but everyone who was in the know knew that those ceramic covered bunkers on Redstone were the only safe place to be in the event of a strategic strike, which is what all red star targets were.
Mathematically, it's only a matter of time and I've always figured I'd see a nuke detonated in anger in my lifetime. Always hope I'm wrong, but state of the world doesn't look like it.
And if you want a litmus of where we are historically, I'd say we are closer to the eve of WW1 only with 21st century weapons. The dogma, the hysteria, misinformation and outright lies etc., the very conditions that lead to war, it's all the same as it was then.
Guess these fuckers never watched Dr. Strangelove.
It's literally a matter of time before one of these goes off, either as an accident or as a deliberate attack.
And if our president is authentic, then it'll be sooner than later I'll wager. If he's playing poker, then he's got the goddamn best face and act I've ever seen, period, just hope it works out instead of backfiring.
Back in the day there were 3 "red star" targets: NYC, the economy, DC, the seat of power, and Hunstville AL, where nearly 90% of our weapons technology is developed. That's a fact, Jack. Those would likely be any attacker's main target (and were on 9/11 in fact, save Huntsville which planes won't work too well on).
All our parents knew what nukes did, many of 'em helped design or make 'em. They didn't waste time on duck and cover, that was always propaganda to make the peons think they had a chance.
There were fallout shelters everywhere, but everyone who was in the know knew that those ceramic covered bunkers on Redstone were the only safe place to be in the event of a strategic strike, which is what all red star targets were.
Mathematically, it's only a matter of time and I've always figured I'd see a nuke detonated in anger in my lifetime. Always hope I'm wrong, but state of the world doesn't look like it.
And if you want a litmus of where we are historically, I'd say we are closer to the eve of WW1 only with 21st century weapons. The dogma, the hysteria, misinformation and outright lies etc., the very conditions that lead to war, it's all the same as it was then.
Politics, though at times blustering, will in the end act rationally. (Usually).
Religions on the other hand, and I would include the North Korean cult as a religion, will assume an irrational path because they can afford to assuming everything will be made right in the afterlife or that the world should be destroyed and cleansed with fire in Gotterdamerung.
Russia, China and the US will take the pressure off the trigger at the last second. During the cold war there were crisis that came up to the brink and at the last second one side blinked. The event in the 80s that created a comedy of errors that had Russia convinced our missiles were in route and apparently the Soviet General in charge decided it was better to be struck than to be wrong was actually a positive showing for humanity.
Religious and ideological zealots wont have those hesitations. They are the actors I worry about.
Religions on the other hand, and I would include the North Korean cult as a religion, will assume an irrational path because they can afford to assuming everything will be made right in the afterlife or that the world should be destroyed and cleansed with fire in Gotterdamerung.
Russia, China and the US will take the pressure off the trigger at the last second. During the cold war there were crisis that came up to the brink and at the last second one side blinked. The event in the 80s that created a comedy of errors that had Russia convinced our missiles were in route and apparently the Soviet General in charge decided it was better to be struck than to be wrong was actually a positive showing for humanity.
Religious and ideological zealots wont have those hesitations. They are the actors I worry about.
SAC is back? What kind of stupidity is this?
"SAC" never left. The Strategic Air Command (an administrative command) was disbanded and its OPERATIONAL commands split between the Air Combat Command (who took the nuke bombers) and the Space Command (who took the ICBMs) in 1992 - 1993.
In 2009 the ICBMs were removed from Space Command and placed under the command of the new Global Strike Command and in 2010 the strategic bomber forces were moved from ACC to GSC.
So basically in 2010 the Strategic Air Command reappeared under a new name.....seven years ago. And in between 1992 and 2010 we had the same nuclear strike capability we've always had but arranged in a different administrative structure.
As to the strategic forces posture, anyone who thinks we're ever not ready to strike back at the drop of a hat is a fucking fool.
"SAC" never left. The Strategic Air Command (an administrative command) was disbanded and its OPERATIONAL commands split between the Air Combat Command (who took the nuke bombers) and the Space Command (who took the ICBMs) in 1992 - 1993.
In 2009 the ICBMs were removed from Space Command and placed under the command of the new Global Strike Command and in 2010 the strategic bomber forces were moved from ACC to GSC.
So basically in 2010 the Strategic Air Command reappeared under a new name.....seven years ago. And in between 1992 and 2010 we had the same nuclear strike capability we've always had but arranged in a different administrative structure.
As to the strategic forces posture, anyone who thinks we're ever not ready to strike back at the drop of a hat is a fucking fool.
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You're the last person on earth I'd listen to in matters of strategic deterrence.
SAC and land based systems are the visual, for public consumption, display of our capability.
Its to give Mom a warm and fuzzy as she looks out the kitchen window as the kids play peacefully in the yard.
Reality I have more faith in whats under the vast oceans and the only comfort it gives me is that of knowing at least I wont go alone.
Its to give Mom a warm and fuzzy as she looks out the kitchen window as the kids play peacefully in the yard.
Reality I have more faith in whats under the vast oceans and the only comfort it gives me is that of knowing at least I wont go alone.
I have more faith in whats in orbit as there is no defense of before, during or after.
Good point but we know more about space than we do about our deep seas.
Either option makes the use a lose/lose proposition unless any one side comes up with some measure to completely neuter the other side for some period of time.
Perhaps some whiz kid in second grade will write the no investment computer code that provides 100 percent confidence in the ability to pull the trigger with complete assuredness you will not be hit back.
The expiration date on such technology would be minutes to a day at most and perhaps the deploying of nukes would be a spur of the moment thing to take advantage of a fleeting opportunity.
It's mutual.
And I am still waiting for how the President "directly" led to that collision.
BTW did I read that you went to Annapolis?
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If you're waiting for the formal acknowledgement, then I hereby declare that "Veer has the conch".
Next thing you know we'll start parliamentary procedure around here.
I'm glad I was awake to be of service.
You'll wait forever. If you remember I told you that I wasn't going to indulge your retarded conspiracy theories.
You have no interest in learning anything, anyway.
Ah, gotcha. I was enjoying imagining all the mayhem if the conch method were attempted here.
As someone who rode on strategic platforms for a decent fraction of his military career, practicing different attack options, firing multiple CinC Evaluation Test (CET) missiles, I can assure you the submerged leg of the "Triad" has a (nunya-business)% on-target rate for its evaluated REBs (just know it's pretty impressive). When a CET is performed, a randomly selected war reserve weapon's payload is swapped for instrumented REBs (MIRV) and that weapon (or weapons, as at one point I was on a boat that launched 4 in the span of about 20 minutes) is launched without any extra preparation of the launch platform or missile(s). The other side should fear that, as the efficiency of that platform at remaining undetected is widely known.
Now add to that strategic ability the fact that the submarine-launched Tomahawk has been well proven since 1991 in multiple theaters and in multiple variants (TLAM-C, TLAM-D). There has been widespread conjecture as to the retirement of the TLAM-N variant with its W80 warhead, but as usual, we can neither confirm, nor deny .... One thing is for sure, 1 Virgina or later-flight Los Angeles submarine with their 14 vertical-launch and up to 25 horizontal-launch Tomahawks (musn't forget the self-defense ADCAPs left in the "room") is a formidable tactical attack option on its own. I would imagine there might be one or 2 so-equipped boats somewhere in the Western Pacific, but who knows?
Now add to that strategic ability the fact that the submarine-launched Tomahawk has been well proven since 1991 in multiple theaters and in multiple variants (TLAM-C, TLAM-D). There has been widespread conjecture as to the retirement of the TLAM-N variant with its W80 warhead, but as usual, we can neither confirm, nor deny .... One thing is for sure, 1 Virgina or later-flight Los Angeles submarine with their 14 vertical-launch and up to 25 horizontal-launch Tomahawks (musn't forget the self-defense ADCAPs left in the "room") is a formidable tactical attack option on its own. I would imagine there might be one or 2 so-equipped boats somewhere in the Western Pacific, but who knows?
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