Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE Join US in Air Strikes in Syria

[Guest]

I can see this going either way.
I fear it's exactly what ISIS wants. They'll drag out the dead women and children and say, "Look at what your leaders have done. They have sided with the infidels and have forsaken you."

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Yes....our gooooood friends the Saudis....(sure would like to see those 28 pages of the 911 report, I'll bet it says some really complementary things about them)...

Of course they are helping out... The Suadis / Qatar / and the USA have pumped more than a billion dollars into the effort to run a pipeline through Syria.

"Never mind the man behind the curtain, keep your eyes fixed on the screen and do not question what you are told."

 

[pawprint2]

I can see this going either way.
I fear it's exactly what ISIS wants. They'll drag out the dead women and children and say, "Look at what your leaders have done. They have sided with the infidels and have forsaken you."

And if there are no women and children killed by the strikes, they'll make damn sure there will be for the cameras....

 

[Guest]

And if there are no women and children killed by the strikes, they'll make damn sure there will be for the cameras....

No doubt. But the people will still believe them. 2 days ago they were begging for our help. Two days from now they'll be burning flags and effigies.

 

[Niles Coyote]

Question is, are we/they bombing ISIS, aka, moderate rebels pre 2014 or the targets ISIS wanted us to bomb after the false flag of 21 August 2013 while we were still in bed with them, even after the 11 September 2012 kick in the A**?!?

 

[BapZander]

Fuck yeah - let's go blow some shit up! I'm just glad I'm not paying for this crap...

 

[RSA-Raven]

This does worry me:
Former head of Marine Corps: ?Not a snowball?s chance In hell' Obama's Islamic State plan succeeds - Washington Times

 

[sharac]

Sometimes i think some people are like pyromaniacs/firefighters (it's well known fact that some pyromaniacs are actually firefighters aka drown to profession due to their love for fire) first you destabilize the country and then you rush to scene to the "rescue" while in fact you're just getting off enjoying the sight. Psychopaths in essence jacking off to destruction and mayhem.

Also i find it very disturbing is the fact that some of your best men only decide to speak after they are at the helm not before which kind of tells me that either they are a political tool to be used for smoke and mirrors (pretend to have opposition to position, 2 party system) or system is rigged so that thinking and doing while in service is too costly for individual and his family (Snowden for example) and/or their impact void and null-> which kind of explains why so many fuckups since if thinking and doing is discouraged things like inertia and autopilot take over and sooner or later things degenerate to the point of disaster.

 

[sharac]

Its going to be a mess again something half witted and incomplete with (i would imagine) stupid ROE and no clearly defined goals. A quick sip of martini between the 15th and 16th hole.

 

[sharac]

Oh sure i can no problem playing darts being blind drunk. Just as long as result doesn't matter or bet isn't too high .

 

[pmclaine]

Who cares what we break and destroy in this campaign as long as we get people to rally around the administration, occupying them with smoke and mirrors in hopes that come the first Tuesday after a Monday in November people will say fuck it and continue to ride the same broken pony they have been bitching about all along.

I think something needs to be done about ISIS but what we are doing is not that thing.

 

[pteranadon]

I'm going to sit back and see how it plays out.

I have a few thoughts on this subject.

One, it is good to get Muslim countries involved in solving the "isis" problem. The more muslims involved in acting against this morbid "take" on their religion, the better. We've wanted more muslims here in the U.S. to do the same.

Two, it's always been a wish-wash account on the aftermath. Every country that is mostly muslim populated that has taken a stand against the extremists, there has been after-effects which has always had bad re percussions on their citizens and more uprising against the U.S.

Three, the issue of instability. (part of #2 thought) Jordon is a concern. I believe they could be the next country to go down the "drain." The more instability in the muslim countries; the more instable the middle east is and therefore, more dangerous for the U.S.

Four, There may be elements in Jordon, Saudi Arabia, and UAE that we may not want to be a part of.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Saudi Ariabia shoud be the #1 frikken target of our bombers and nuke missiles, they are our #1 enemy there and our leaders all seem to be in bed with them. Jordan is Salvageable, the rest of that shithole needs to be carpet nuked.

 

[pteranadon]

I don't want to stray away and getting off subject, but I want to add something that partakes in our opinions.
It's human nature. In human nature, we speak of subjects such as this and we need to be careful of what part of us are speaking.

I chose this link so that we may see the words. there are plenty of other videos out there with "visuals".

My suggestion is to take note and think about what we say.

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_yl...s&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-224&fp=1

 

[pteranadon]

Tool Vicarious with Lyrics WalKnDude - YouTube

 

[Veer_G]

 

[pteranadon]

Thank you. The more you post, the more I get a laugh. Thanks again.

 

[Veer_G]

The more you post, the more viable an option to prayer and meditation become scotch and ice cubes.

 

[pteranadon]

The more you post, the more viable an option to prayer and meditation become scotch and ice cubes.

I just hope the scotch and ice cubes don't create visions of a pteranadon at the end of a noose, hanging from a tree.

 

[perkantino]

Somebody d better write this sh*t down. That's how you conduct a war in the middle east.


I like how all the pundits are surprised 5 arabs countries are dropping ordinances.

People criticizing strategy when they have no insight into the intelligence is beyond me! 5 minutes before this broke I am watching a former general say that there is no way in hell any arab would contribute to this.

Breaking News! 5 arab countries are dropping bombs, but then he carries on as if he never said anything a few minutes before.

People who are not part of internal meetings need to shut up. You can't make an argument from public info. It's like deciding to give a bank loan to someone without seeing their credit info or employment history, but instead solely based on their photo.

The problem in this country is no one is ever publicly made to eat their words any more, so it becomes cheap to make incendiary predictions, be flat WRONG, then be invited to make some more. And now everyone is an EXPERT to the point that journalists, and commentators challenge military strategy. Really? Would you challenge your heart surgeon as far as your heart surgery?

National security has become a game. Play on, play on!

 

[woojos]

I'm not so sure we are not the ones ultimately footing the bill for this.

The question still remains: What do you do after blowing shit up to prevent the situation reoccurring?

 

[FS1]

They only are going to tell us what they want ISIL to know. Or think they know now.

It is all a game, the better we play it the worse off they are. One thing is for sure, everyone of those mothers is losing sleep wondering when a missile or a spec ops team is gonna show up at their door. Now the big question is what countries that are not sending troops on the ground, really are? Its about time they are willing to die for their cause, not just expect us to do it for them. I guess only time will tell the story.

 

[pteranadon]

Very good question, Woojos. Very good one.

 

[pteranadon]

Any thoughts on that, Perkintino?

 

[Veer_G]

I'm not so sure we are not the ones ultimately footing the bill for this.

The question still remains: What do you do after blowing shit up to prevent the situation reoccurring?

Um, I know. Let's send in, um, Rodan?

 

[FS1]

Um, I know. Let's send in, um, Rodan?

Or just send this chick to open a tittie bar over there. That should keep em busy for a while.

Florida Woman Has Plastic Surgery To Have 3 B**bs Like Total Recall Alien Chick (Video) | Paranormal

 

[perkantino]

Any thoughts on that, Perkintino?

No, because I don't sit in the situation room, or the CIA war room, so as per my point, thoughts about strategy are excuse my Portuguese stupid! We don't know if there are elements on the ground from those arabs countries filling the void, or if elmo himself is down there. 5 hours ago we didn't know arabs would be flying bombing missions over Syria.
That's my point. Sitting here and criticizing strategy is pointless when you don't have even 10% of the info. (And that includes all those retired generals on CNN)

The other thing in this country is people aren't informed. Someone asked if we would be footing the bill. Well that's public info. Do your research. Don't just ask it here.
The Saudis put up 500 million last week for this effort after Kerry went around the region. Others didn't want their contribution revealed, but 40 countries have pledged support.
The Saudis are the only ones whose support in the form of the bill is public. So again we are not the only ones footing the bills, and we are getting others to do the fighting for us.
Those people whose region it is!

Again, write this sh*t down! This is how you fight a war in the middle east! When Bush 1 did it, we actually made money on the war effort. Go figure, and know that elections really do matter!

 

[perkantino]

Or just send this chick to open a tittie bar over there. That should keep em busy for a while.

Florida Woman Has Plastic Surgery To Have 3 B**bs Like Total Recall Alien Chick (Video) | Paranormal

The sad truth is a lot of this is about getting laid. All those Daish (ISIS) people are doing is raiding towns rounding up young women, taking them away on trucks, stashing them in rooms, then coming in whenever they please pulling whichever one they want out of the common room to private rooms to have sex with them. In the mean time they feed them, and keep them in those rooms. That's essentially what they are doing. When they get through the stash they have, and get tired of the women they have, they trade the women with other groups for variety. The recruiting call they send to western youth is come here, you get to shoot guns and be a badass, but above all you have sex when you want, with which ever woman you like.

Al-qaeda promises virgins after death, these guys just like their media campaign figured it out. They promise their women now, not when you are dead

 

[ketchup]

Or just send this chick to open a tittie bar over there. That should keep em busy for a while.

Florida Woman Has Plastic Surgery To Have 3 B**bs Like Total Recall Alien Chick (Video) | Paranormal

Woman with three breasts: Real or hoax?

 

[pteranadon]

The sad truth is a lot of this is about getting laid. All those Daish (ISIS) people are doing is raiding towns rounding up young women, taking them away on trucks, stashing them in rooms, then coming in whenever they please pulling whichever one they want out of the common room to private rooms to have sex with them. In the mean time they feed them, and keep them in those rooms. That's essentially what they are doing. When they get through the stash they have, and get tired of the women they have, they trade the women with other groups for variety. The recruiting call they send to western youth is come here, you get to shoot guns and be a badass, but above all you have sex when you want, with which ever woman you like.

Al-qaeda promises virgins after death, these guys just like their media campaign figured it out. They promise their women now, not when you are dead

Rape has been used in war as a "weapon" for ages. The children and women are the first affected. Then, the men usually don't want anything to do with them. This, sadly is not the "prime" reason for the effort. it's a "weapon."

 

[FS1]

Woman with three breasts: Real or hoax?

Yes I know that but in our world either one real or memorex is a possibility. My deeper point was to infer something about the subverted sexuality of the area.

Women are property to them. And if you die you get 72 virgins to be your toys forever. On top of that the men have no trust for other men. That's why they cover their women up. They either think their best friend would do her in a heartbeat, or thinks she is a slut that can't be trusted.

Sexuality is an easy emotion to manipulate. Because the primal man inside each of us can look at that and see some positives in a woman who is completely submissive. But the civilized man in most of us knows that is not something men of strong heart do. JMHO

 

[Veer_G]

Who cares what the grand plan is, anything rag on rag is fine with me.

Nice.

So, you got a plan for everybody else so that they turn on each other and leave more of what's left of the world for the rest of us?

And just who is it that qualifies as "us," and who as "them" in your book?

Really, do tell ...

 

[perkantino]

Yes I know that but in our world either one real or memorex is a possibility. My deeper point was to infer something about the subverted sexuality of the area.

Women are property to them. And if you die you get 72 virgins to be your toys forever. On top of that the men have no trust for other men. That's why they cover their women up. They either think their best friend would do her in a heartbeat, or thinks she is a slut that can't be trusted.

Sexuality is an easy emotion to manipulate. Because the primal man inside each of us can look at that and see some positives in a woman who is completely submissive. But the civilized man in most of us knows that is not something men of strong heart do. JMHO

Civilized man? "The sad truth is below the thin veneer of civilization, we are still running on caveman software" <--- some dude said that

 

[perkantino]

Rape has been used in war as a "weapon" for ages. The children and women are the first affected. Then, the men usually don't want anything to do with them. This, sadly is not the "prime" reason for the effort. it's a "weapon."

I don't think it's a weapon. You put frustrated young men in an area, who wouldn't otherwise get dates. You give them guns, and they control the area completely with impunity, and they will have sex with women by agreement or by force.

I don't think any soldier ever said, oh well, I don't want to rape this good looking young lady, but since I need to use this weapon of war, I guess I must. This however has been said of a howitzer, so it's not a weapon.
It's the sex drive with no laws to curtail it. If it's a weapon it's the only one that discriminates against old and unattractive women.

Some use pretty cars to get sex, others use the church, some use their oratory skills, some use roofies, others use guns. At the end, everyone is trying to get laid. These guys figured a huge shortcut. And trust me that's all they are doing down there. Not taking territory anymore, raiding towns, discarding the men, and taking the women. And according to reports, not all women are taken. The old and unattractive according to them, aren't. Figure why?

Remember Boko Haram? took 200 girls. Figure why?

 

[woojos]

The Saudis put up 500 million last week for this effort after Kerry went around the region. Others didn't want their contribution revealed, but 40 countries have pledged support.
The Saudis are the only ones whose support in the form of the bill is public. So again we are not the only ones footing the bills, and we are getting others to do the fighting for us.
Those people whose region it is!

500 million is .05% of a trillion, but hey, who's counting?

 

[perkantino]

500 million is .05% of a trillion, but hey, who's counting?

Well that trillion was Iraq 2. That one was done with no one's cooperation, looking for things that weren't there, with no plans beyond the initial invasion, and no body armor for the first waves of our guys who ran in. (Yeah I remember that)
But hey, Bengazhi is the worse thing ever!

May be that's why we are paying that bill alone. See why sometimes you should think things through? Once you get the arabs paying for it, you keep them paying for it.
They fight their own, and our guys are not doing those people's dirty laundry. Plus they have oil and money! So they should pay for it! Again first gulf war, the U.S actually made money on it when the countries that were funding it actually overpaid, and we kept the money.

Notice, Russia, Iran, silence! Loving it! Apparently Syria threatened to shoot our birds down, but this morning Pentagon reported that somehow their air defense system was turned off last night technical term was "passive"

Bin laden is dead, more dead al queda and drone attacks as before, we are getting arabs, actually sunni arabs to fight each other, to pay for it. More spec ops and military readiness than before. Even if you hate the horse you have to admit it runs fast! But hey, Bengazhi!

 

[pteranadon]

I don't think it's a weapon. You put frustrated young men in an area, who wouldn't otherwise get dates. You give them guns, and they control the area completely with impunity, and they will have sex with women by agreement or by force.

I don't think any soldier ever said, oh well, I don't want to rape this good looking young lady, but since I need to use this weapon of war, I guess I must. This however has been said of a howitzer, so it's not a weapon.
It's the sex drive with no laws to curtail it. If it's a weapon it's the only one that discriminates against old and unattractive women.

Some use pretty cars to get sex, others use the church, some use their oratory skills, some use roofies, others use guns. At the end, everyone is trying to get laid. These guys figured a huge shortcut. And trust me that's all they are doing down there. Not taking territory anymore, raiding towns, discarding the men, and taking the women. And according to reports, not all women are taken. The old and unattractive according to them, aren't. Figure why?

Remember Boko Haram? took 200 girls. Figure why?

Either way you look at it, it has been happening at a grand scale, in our history of humans; at war. It has/is happening at a "gross" level during war by the opposition.
It has been shown that if a female is raped:

1. The female has a child who she and the child will not be accepted by their own ethnicity / tribe / family / ect.
2. The male feels "defeated" especially after his mother, sister, or wife has had this done to them.
3. The lack of will to fight comes from demoralization process due to that aspect, much larger at scale than losing a buddy at war.


In the "history" of war, it has been noted this is an "act" that actively happens and has been happening since the dawn/ beginning of war history.

Whether you believe this is happening or you believe it's just for sex; the same result happens. And most likely happen in another war in the future. And it will show detrimental affects on the opposition.

 

[pmclaine]

I don't think it's a weapon....

Read your history and pay particular attention to eastern front Germany 1945.

Whether it had an umbilical cord or a walker if it had a gash it got drilled by the Red Army and it wasn't because they were frustrated. The Soviets used their dicks as a weapon of retribution war and people in the area still shudder at the memory.

They want Germans 10,000 years from now to remember what happens when you fuck with Mother Russia.

 

[perkantino]

Read your history and pay particular attention to eastern front Germany 1945.

Whether it had an umbilical cord or a walker if it had a gash it got drilled by the Red Army and it wasn't because they were frustrated. The Soviets used there dicks as a weapon of war and people in the area still shudder at the memory.

In Bosnia it was definitely a weapon. I ll give you that. Serbs and other tribes wanted to impregnate other tribes' women and see if the fathers would reject the child because the child was now of a different tribe but still their grand son. In Libya, it was about making the women no longer virgins so they would not be able to marry. BUT! let's also recognize that even without those motives people would be doing it.

I don't think a lawless guy with a gun and total control of an area with the power of life or death over everyone in that area including young ladies, would just pick up a playboy or go on porntube and excuse himself to the restroom. That won't happen!

 

[woojos]

Well that trillion was Iraq 2. That one was done with no one's cooperation, looking for things that weren't there, with no plans beyond the initial invasion, and no body armor for the first waves of our guys who ran in. (Yeah I remember that)
But hey, Bengazhi is the worse thing ever!

May be that's why we are paying that bill alone. See why sometimes you should think things through? Once you get the arabs paying for it, you keep them paying for it.
They fight their own, and our guys are not doing those people's dirty laundry. Plus they have oil and money! So they should pay for it! Again first gulf war, the U.S actually made money on it when the countries that were funding it actually overpaid, and we kept the money.

The late General William Odom has a paper out there arguing this very point and can you believe some here are still wary of diplomatic efficacy?

 

[perkantino]

Read your history and pay particular attention to eastern front Germany 1945.

Whether it had an umbilical cord or a walker if it had a gash it got drilled by the Red Army and it wasn't because they were frustrated. The Soviets used their dicks as a weapon of retribution war and people in the area still shudder at the memory.

They want Germans 10,000 years from now to remember what happens when you fuck with Mother Russia.

The Germans started it! and yes it was because they were frustrated too!

 

[pawprint2]

Yes I know that but in our world either one real or memorex is a possibility. My deeper point was to infer something about the subverted sexuality of the area.

Women are property to them. And if you die you get 72 virgins to be your toys forever. On top of that the men have no trust for other men. That's why they cover their women up. They either think their best friend would do her in a heartbeat, or thinks she is a slut that can't be trusted.

Sexuality is an easy emotion to manipulate. Because the primal man inside each of us can look at that and see some positives in a woman who is completely submissive. But the civilized man in most of us knows that is not something men of strong heart do. JMHO

I believe the reason the muslims cover up their women is that they are following the Koran, in fact, the Koran is quite specific about the covering females should have/wear etc. This may be confusing to many, as some "modern muslims" reject these passages of the Koran, as they have become more enlightened (or just know what parts are right and wrong because allah told them in a dream), thus you see many "muslim" females not covered in accordance with the Koran. Nonetheless, those muslims that actually take the Koran heart, keep their women covered as the Koran commands. I looked it up, verse 24.31. Regarding the 72 virgins and rivers of honey etc., Virgins what? Women, goats, sheep? They've never been real clear on this point.

 

[perkantino]

The late General William Odom has a paper out there arguing this very point and can you believe some here are still wary of diplomatic efficacy?

Well what can I say? Great minds think alike
The trouble is everything works and fails including diplomacy or an M40A5. The trouble is people generalize. If diplomacy didn't work in this instance, it must be ineffective. Then the other side would say, look! Diplomacy worked! war is ineffective. The answer as in everything is somethings work in some situations, others work in other situations. They tried diplomacy with Hitler it didn't work, so then they f*cked him up!
They tried diplomacy with Qaddafi, and it worked, then his own people f*cked him up in the end. it's like saying a 22 is useless, or a 50 is useless. It depends on what and where you use it.
But the art of war says: and I ll paraphrase now: The sweetest victory is the one you don't have to fight for.

 

[pmclaine]

I don't think a lawless guy with a gun and total control of an area with the power of life or death over everyone in that area including young ladies, would just pick up a playboy or go on porntube and excuse himself to the restroom. That won't happen!

Keyword being "lawless"....

We are a Republic ruled by law.

Laws govern the conduct of our troops. Having the discipline to obey laws makes for better troops.

A combatant that is more worried about getting busy is prime pickings for the guy that knows right from wrong and does the right thing even if it does mean you spend your tour wearing only one sock.

 

[perkantino]

I believe the reason the muslims cover up their women is that they are following the Koran, in fact, the Koran is quite specific about the covering females should have/wear etc. This may be confusing to many, as some "modern muslims" reject these passages of the Koran, as they have become more enlightened (or just know what parts are right and wrong because allah told them in a dream), thus you see many "muslim" females not covered in accordance with the Koran. Nonetheless, those muslims that actually take the Koran heart, keep their women covered as the Koran commands. I looked it up, verse 24.31. Regarding the 72 virgins and rivers of honey etc., Virgins what? Women, goats, sheep? They've never been real clear on this point.

Dude, let's not start with this Quran stuff. The bible says to kill your neighbor if he works on the sabbath, or just like the Quran, it says to stone adulterers. None of us does it. Unless you have something to confess.

The point is, all those books have outrageous stuff in them. The question is: "How can I do what I want and justify it with scripture" Or in a lawyer's case how can I find a loophole in the tax code?
Human nature. None of these Daish (ISIS) people have time to pray with all this raiding. And you shouldn't have sex with a woman you are not married to, that's the Quran too! But like you shouldn't eat meat on Fridays from the Bible, that's being ignored. Cherry picking aint new. The crusaders and the inquisitors had their time too! Human nature.

 

[perkantino]

Keyword being "lawless"....

We are a Republic ruled by law.

Laws govern the conduct of our troops. Having the discipline to obey laws makes for better troops.

A combatant that is more worried about getting busy is prime pickings for the guy that knows right from wrong and does the right thing even if it does mean you spend your tour wearing only one sock.

Yes till Sh*t hits the fan, and we ll see about that! We are all going to do stuff we didn't think we were capable of. Like eating bugs?

 

[pmclaine]

Yes till Sh*t hits the fan, and we ll see about that! We are all going to do stuff we didn't think we were capable of. Like eating bugs?

Dude if rape is on your list of things to do......well I really hope your on the other side.

 

[perkantino]

Dude if rape is on your list of things to do......well I really hope your on the other side.

It's not me you have to worry about. It's the people doing it every day in this country despite your "Republic ruled by law". And your college campuses, bastion of intellectuals where 1 out of 5 woman is raped! That my friend, is without complete control of territory and despite your "Republic ruled by law"

 

[pteranadon]

It's not me you have to worry about. It's the people doing it every day in this country despite your "Republic ruled by law"

I believe pmclaine is stating is that the perp who rapes is doing it under laws against it. Otherwise, there is a reason why he is doing it. It's not accepted.

Most likely case scenario for a rapist doing it is to "gain or have control" and to give "detrimental" affect on the victim. Aka: weopon.

 

[Veer_G]

Yes till Sh*t hits the fan, and we ll see about that! We are all going to do stuff we didn't think we were capable of. Like eating bugs?

Dude if rape is on your list of things to do......well I really hope your on the other side.

And then there's the traditionalist approach ...