Savage 10 or 110

[Megalith]

Hi,
I'm in the market to purchase my first rifle. I've spent the last 6 months studying everything I can on mil-dot and MOA. I finaaly feel like I'm ready. I decided to buy cheap first and will go with a Savage. I know I want a 24" barrel but which one? The heavy barrel seems the way to go but they also have the fluted barrel with the muzzle break. Can somebody help me out with the differences and which is better. I did read the heavy barrel barely moves and helps with recoil. Thanks

 

[Greene]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

I had a savage 10fp chambered in 308 with the 24" heavy barrel. The rifle shot really well. Buy one and get a bell and carlson stock or one similar. That away you get a better stock and still keep your cost down. Reason I say that is because mine was an older savage and those stocks were terribly flimsy. But savage may have corrected that now.

 

[Flyingbullseye]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greene</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a savage 10fp chambered in 308 with the 24" heavy barrel. The rifle shot really well. Buy one and get a bell and carlson stock or one similar. That away you get a better stock and still keep your cost down. Reason I say that is because mine was an older savage and those stocks were terribly flimsy. But savage may have corrected that now. </div></div>

Nope, factory stocks still suck unless you get the 10fp accustock. Supposed to be a decent one, my stevens factory stock to put it bluntly sucked the hind titty.

Flyingbullseye

 

[fdkay]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

10 or 110?
It depends on the chambering you want. 10 is for short action, 110 is for long action.

I am going to guess that your experience level is low. You will want the short action.
When it comes to finding good factory match ammunition at a reasonable price, you have two options. .223 or .308.

Both are good cartridges, both are extremely accurate, both cost less to feed than other cartridges.
But when you talk match ammo, figure on 1 dollar every time you pull the trigger.

Savage makes a fine rifle and they tend to shoot very well, right out of the box.
Having said that, give consideration to the Remington SPS, whether it is the varmint or tactical rifle and also the Howa varmint line. They are all capable of very good accuracy at a very reasonable price.

If you decide to go with the .223, you need to be carefull of the rifle you select due to different barrel twist rates. You will want a 1-9 or faster twist rate (1-7 or 1-8). The Savage and remington tactical rifles come in a 1-9 twist rate, sufficient to stabilize the 69 grain match bullets. Some of the varmint rifles come in a 1-12 or 1-14 twist rate, not really sufficient for your intended use.

The .308 is less of a concern, as the twist rates are good enough to stabilize anything you are likely to shoot.

The savage FCPK or whatever it is called with an accu-stock and the muzzle break would be a fine way to go, as would the 10FP in the HS Precision stock (my preference).

The base 10FP is a fine shooter, but has two things going against it. One, you'll need to replace the stock (eventually). Two, it has a blind magazine. I MUCH prefer a hinged floorplate or box magazine. The other savages I mentioned will have a box magazine.

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

here is what i can tell you. there are a few variables. first, you want a model 11 or 111. why? because thats one nore than 10 or 110.

but enough obscure comedy. if, mind you this is gonna require some deciding from you, if you want to change stocks and add CDI bottom metal or any others, buy a stock 10fp. if you want to wait for a while to get the SSS 9 round mags, get a 10fcp. if you dont want to change stocks, get a 10fcp-hs or -mc with an hs precision or mcmillan stock. if you dont mind a basic stock get the newer accustock models. either the 10pc or 10fcplk are decent. if your gonna want to change everything, call jim at northland and buy a barreled action with a shilen or mcgowen barrel and buy the stock of your choice.

i would not buy an accustock and change it out and lose all benefits to that stock system. i would not buy a 10fcp and add CDI or other bottom metal as its cheaper to buy the 10fp, but you will need the stock inlet, and if your gonna change stocks, thats great. no one wants to buy your old flimsy anything so trying to sell it off isnt always the best way to look at it. i have a 24" shilen, 20" or 18" will do anything you need.

best bet, call savage and get exactly what you want. next, just buy a 10fcp in a mcm A5 and your good to go. its a readily available model. feel free to ask me any questions. oh yeah, never let a smith touch your stuff, lol.

and all the models i am talking about are short action model 10 based guns. honestly, you could get a varmint model with the same heavy barrel and bolt handle and it may be cheaper, you would have a better stock to sell off or keep. your stock dont need to be all tacticool to get you started shooting. look thru savages models

here you go... http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php?board=64.0

 

[snipedogg]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

Looks like it's all been covered. Just keep in mind the advantage of having a barrel nut on the Savage. If in time you decide to upgrade your barrel, you can save a lot of money and time not having to send it to a smith and just change it yourself.

 

[Megalith]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

Thanks for all the replies. I was planning on .308. I read that if you have them glass bedded their great guns. I appreciate everyone's time and thoughts. Thank you

 

[sinarms]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

If you are going to buy your first rifle, I would say a .22 LR after that a 223, I know its not what you asked but thats my $.02

 

[Megalith]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sinarms</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are going to buy your first rifle, I would say a .22 LR after that a 223, I know its not what you asked but thats my $.02 </div></div>

Not reaaly what I had in mind.I grew up shooting 22's pistol and rifle. .308 is the minimum I looking at right now.

 

[redbullitt]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

savage 10 in hsp stock will do all you want it to and can be worked over later if you want. Mine shoots great with handloads. SSS does good work too should you need it.

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

i just bedded my HS and posted pictures in the smith thread. it was easier than i thought

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

I think the basic Savage 10FP has been a standby precision marksmanship starter rifle for a long time. You could do a lot worse.

I think the Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine is a nearly ideal platform with the Accustock, Accutrigger, heavy barrel, and detachable magazine. SSS makes a 9-round detachable magazine extender kit that's a slam-dunk.

Only issue, the 20" barrel.

That would be the item I'd be upgrading, by obtaining an aftermarket barrel in Savage Varmint taper, of the length you seek. The two can be swapped, depending on applications. But the fact is, unless you're really going to do most of your shooting well beyond 800yd, the carbine is probably pretty good just as-is.

Once the initial change has been made, it's a comparatively simple matter to swap them as needed. Getting the factory barrel off the first time is the only relatively hard part, they mount 'em pretty solid.

Greg

 

[MitchInOR]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

I was in the same situation a few years back. Wanted to get into precision rifle shooting and see how it goes. Did some research like yourself and was leaning in the direction of the 10fp. At the time a Remington 5R mil spec was available at nearly twice the cost. I read a some good things about the 5R but was doubtful of my abilities and decided to get the cheap high rated Savage.

I bought the Savage for $500 and 100 rounds of BH match ammo for another $100. Mounted a 10x Super Sniper and off I went.

During the last three years I have upgraded to a McMillan stock and spent a lot of time refining my hand loaded ammo. I have to say I can now shoot my Savage far better than I ever thought I could when I first bought it. I hope when it comes time to re-barrel it that it still shoots as well as it does now.

Would I have done anything differently? Looking back I wish I would have spent $400 more and got the 5R. Not because the Savage isn't any good. It is a fantastic shooting rifle. The reason is if you continue to shoot your Savage you will eventually want to make some upgrades to improve your shooting experience. There are many more options to upgrade a Remington based rifle than a Savage.

 

[Megalith]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

I did look at the 5r. It's a nice gun. I appreciate all the replies. I will be looking into them.

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

not so much anymore mitch. there are plenty or drop in barrels made by big names, plenty of stocks are available but not so many premade or take off like the remmy. even aics has a savage in the works. plus when a builder like tac ops uses a savage as a base for a build, thats promising. tac ops dont play.

 

[Snakum]

Re: Savage 10 or 110

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AXEMAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">here is what i can tell you. there are a few variables. first, you want a model 11 or 111. why? because thats one nore than 10 or 110.</div></div>

"These go to eleven."

But about the Salvagees, Megalith, what you <span style="font-style: italic">really </span>want to do is buy the FCP-K, which is almost completely and utterly perfect, and then modify the stock to more of a pistol-grip profile similar to the McMillan A-series. Then decide you don't like it even though it came out perfectly and trade it to me for my totally stock Accustock stock because I'm too lazy to do it to mine but I really, really want to change the grip angle.