SCAR 17S vs M1A
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Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
My only experience with them is from playing call of duty, but they seem to have the same accuracy and knockdown power....but I'd go with the scar because its more high speed.
My only experience with them is from playing call of duty, but they seem to have the same accuracy and knockdown power....but I'd go with the scar because its more high speed.
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mike f</div><div class="ubbcode-body">experiences,opinions,ideas,comparisons,input please </div></div>
If you asking because you're thinking about selling your m1a to buy scar 17s .
Go for it.
SCAR 17S is lighter, lighter recoil, more ergonomic and comes with scope mount .
Out of the box scar is more accurate than out of the box M1A.
Buy the SCAR 17S and don't look back, then buy Elcan 1-4x and grip pod and B.F. V.Tac sling
Please change your name ( You make my great dane "Mike" look bad )
Thanks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mike f</div><div class="ubbcode-body">experiences,opinions,ideas,comparisons,input please </div></div>
If you asking because you're thinking about selling your m1a to buy scar 17s .
Go for it.
SCAR 17S is lighter, lighter recoil, more ergonomic and comes with scope mount .
Out of the box scar is more accurate than out of the box M1A.
Buy the SCAR 17S and don't look back, then buy Elcan 1-4x and grip pod and B.F. V.Tac sling
Please change your name ( You make my great dane "Mike" look bad )
Thanks
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If I was in the market for a "battle rifle," I'd instantly skip the M14. I've owned two of them and they weren't anything to write home about. People love them because of nostalgia but can never back up with any data as to why they're better than other .308s.
The SCAR 17S is lightweight, free floated, ergonomically superior, and more modular than an M14. After spending SCAR 17S money on an M14, you still wouldn't have a better rifle.
I tried modernizing my M14 with a SEI scope mount and Eotech, but it just didn't shoot as well as my friend's SCAR 17S. Comb height was also a huge issue with the M14, which would have to be fixed with a cheek riser or a chassis system. After all these mods on an M14, it'd weigh so much you couldn't use it as a battle rifle. I sold it off to fund my LMT MWS which is more of a pseudo-precision rig.
The only complaints I have about the SCAR 17S are that the sling mounts bump my nose when I fire (I shoot NTCH on an AR), the reciprocating charging handle (can get over this), and the mags are expensive (someone made a lower that can accept Pmags).
If I was in the market for a "battle rifle," I'd instantly skip the M14. I've owned two of them and they weren't anything to write home about. People love them because of nostalgia but can never back up with any data as to why they're better than other .308s.
The SCAR 17S is lightweight, free floated, ergonomically superior, and more modular than an M14. After spending SCAR 17S money on an M14, you still wouldn't have a better rifle.
I tried modernizing my M14 with a SEI scope mount and Eotech, but it just didn't shoot as well as my friend's SCAR 17S. Comb height was also a huge issue with the M14, which would have to be fixed with a cheek riser or a chassis system. After all these mods on an M14, it'd weigh so much you couldn't use it as a battle rifle. I sold it off to fund my LMT MWS which is more of a pseudo-precision rig.
The only complaints I have about the SCAR 17S are that the sling mounts bump my nose when I fire (I shoot NTCH on an AR), the reciprocating charging handle (can get over this), and the mags are expensive (someone made a lower that can accept Pmags).
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind
First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind </div></div>
I'm sorry , I didn't know who you are.
Thanks for your service
Could you please tell me, which rifle is the best battle rifle ?
Thanks
God bless you
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind </div></div>
I'm sorry , I didn't know who you are.
Thanks for your service
Could you please tell me, which rifle is the best battle rifle ?
Thanks
God bless you
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
I have both, including a fairly high end LRB M14/M1A. I'm still waiting on the scope mount for my SCAR, and I've only shot it out to 100 yards so far with the iron sights. The one thing I can say is that the SCAR's recoil is surprisingly light.
I have both, including a fairly high end LRB M14/M1A. I'm still waiting on the scope mount for my SCAR, and I've only shot it out to 100 yards so far with the iron sights. The one thing I can say is that the SCAR's recoil is surprisingly light.
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: michael357</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind </div></div>
You're 100% right
Let me take this P.O.S. Scar 17s of your hand , I will even give you $1800 for it
PM your info and I will send you the $1800 first thing tomorrow morning .
</div></div>
FAL?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: michael357</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind </div></div>
You're 100% right
Let me take this P.O.S. Scar 17s of your hand , I will even give you $1800 for it
PM your info and I will send you the $1800 first thing tomorrow morning .
</div></div>
FAL?
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: michael357</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You're 100% right
Let me take this P.O.S. Scar 17s of your hand , I will even give you $1800 for it
PM your info and I will send you the $1800 first thing tomorrow morning .
</div></div>
you would do well to shut your suck, you have nary a clue who some of these people you are insulting are son....sit down and knaw on your fudgesicle in the corner before you call down the thunder
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: michael357</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You're 100% right
Let me take this P.O.S. Scar 17s of your hand , I will even give you $1800 for it
PM your info and I will send you the $1800 first thing tomorrow morning .
</div></div>
you would do well to shut your suck, you have nary a clue who some of these people you are insulting are son....sit down and knaw on your fudgesicle in the corner before you call down the thunder
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Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: michael357</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind </div></div>
You're 100% right
Let me take this P.O.S. Scar 17s of your hand , I will even give you $1800 for it
PM your info and I will send you the $1800 first thing tomorrow morning .
</div></div>
Ah yeah popcorn is in the micro....... Listen there hotshot, not everyone here is an internet arm-chair hero setting in their moms basement making up shit just for something to do and going back changing your comments doesn't cut it either. Very little time needs to be spent to figure out who is who around here.
Fuck-tard.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: michael357</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind </div></div>
You're 100% right
Let me take this P.O.S. Scar 17s of your hand , I will even give you $1800 for it
PM your info and I will send you the $1800 first thing tomorrow morning .
</div></div>
Ah yeah popcorn is in the micro....... Listen there hotshot, not everyone here is an internet arm-chair hero setting in their moms basement making up shit just for something to do and going back changing your comments doesn't cut it either. Very little time needs to be spent to figure out who is who around here.
Fuck-tard.
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This guy has one hell of a raging hard on for the SCAR. He's making multiple accounts just to ask the question and then defend the rifle.
Wow.
This guy has one hell of a raging hard on for the SCAR. He's making multiple accounts just to ask the question and then defend the rifle.
Wow.
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind </div></div>
Where are you getting the lower from, if you don't mind me asking?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First I say look at the OBR, MWS, pof, gap10 before either.
The scar is not where it needs to be, not worth the money at this point. It needs a lot in my opinion to be worthy of carry.
I have a m1a in a sage, I would happily carry it as a battle rifle. I like it way more then a out of the box scar. That being said I'm getting a billet scar lower, Geissele trigger, vltor buttstock, pws rail extension for the scar to test and see if I can change my mind </div></div>
Where are you getting the lower from, if you don't mind me asking?
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
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Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Adam lambert's dick, justin bieber's tonsils, experiences, concerns, opinions, ideas, comparisons? </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Adam lambert's dick, justin bieber's tonsils, experiences, concerns, opinions, ideas, comparisons? </div></div>
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Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My only experience with them is from playing call of duty, but they seem to have the same accuracy and knockdown power....but I'd go with the scar because its more high speed.
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BF3 I can see and shoot first even have a scar and the other guy a 556 and I still get hammered down like a little bitch.
OP I vote SCAR for battle first and m1a second .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My only experience with them is from playing call of duty, but they seem to have the same accuracy and knockdown power....but I'd go with the scar because its more high speed.
BF3 I can see and shoot first even have a scar and the other guy a 556 and I still get hammered down like a little bitch.
OP I vote SCAR for battle first and m1a second .
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
I don't have a 17S but do have a 16S. I hope the 17S has a better trigger than the gritty trigger on my 16S. For the $$$ they charge you would think they would supply a decent trigger. Other wise the 16S is OK but no where as accurate as my Noveske N4 AFghan VIS. If I was going to spend the $$$ they charge for the 17S it would be for an LMT MWS.
I don't have a 17S but do have a 16S. I hope the 17S has a better trigger than the gritty trigger on my 16S. For the $$$ they charge you would think they would supply a decent trigger. Other wise the 16S is OK but no where as accurate as my Noveske N4 AFghan VIS. If I was going to spend the $$$ they charge for the 17S it would be for an LMT MWS.
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
I have fired a M1A much more than the SCAR but I would go with the SCAR based on the ergo dynamics, perceived recoil and weight. All this is subjective, so take it with a grain of salt.
I have fired a M1A much more than the SCAR but I would go with the SCAR based on the ergo dynamics, perceived recoil and weight. All this is subjective, so take it with a grain of salt.
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I had an m1a, was a good gun, great iron sights; however, not really optic friendly so I sold it. Was going to buy a scar and had a friend who let me try his at the range and it was a good gun but at the time he only had one magazine because he couldn't find any more which was an issue for me, also the stock trigger is pretty bad and geissele triggers are a 400 upgrade on a 2800 rifle bringing it to 3200. Then he pulled out his pws mk216 and it was game over, loved it so much went out and bought one.
In the end if you're looking for an oldschool battle rifle that your just going to use iron sights can't go wrong with an m1a, if you want an older battle rifle that is a little more optic friendly I'd go FAL personally.
As for the scar if you can afford it go for it, great rifle. If not look at the pws mk216, still fairly lightweight, long stroke piston, 1moa or better with the right ammo, and takes pmags.
I will say comparing a m1a to a scar is not a fair comparison, the scar is hands down the better weapon and you pay for it
I had an m1a, was a good gun, great iron sights; however, not really optic friendly so I sold it. Was going to buy a scar and had a friend who let me try his at the range and it was a good gun but at the time he only had one magazine because he couldn't find any more which was an issue for me, also the stock trigger is pretty bad and geissele triggers are a 400 upgrade on a 2800 rifle bringing it to 3200. Then he pulled out his pws mk216 and it was game over, loved it so much went out and bought one.
In the end if you're looking for an oldschool battle rifle that your just going to use iron sights can't go wrong with an m1a, if you want an older battle rifle that is a little more optic friendly I'd go FAL personally.
As for the scar if you can afford it go for it, great rifle. If not look at the pws mk216, still fairly lightweight, long stroke piston, 1moa or better with the right ammo, and takes pmags.
I will say comparing a m1a to a scar is not a fair comparison, the scar is hands down the better weapon and you pay for it
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My only experience with them is from playing call of duty, but they seem to have the same accuracy and knockdown power....but I'd go with the scar because its more high speed.
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BF3 I can see and shoot first even have a scar and the other guy a 556 and I still get hammered down like a little bitch.
OP I vote SCAR for battle first and m1a second . </div></div>
Wow, this site is full of trolls now.
BF3 is a good game, but I also run and gun with an M240B in it so I guess we can't rely on it for an accurate simulation of the SCAR...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My only experience with them is from playing call of duty, but they seem to have the same accuracy and knockdown power....but I'd go with the scar because its more high speed.
BF3 I can see and shoot first even have a scar and the other guy a 556 and I still get hammered down like a little bitch.
OP I vote SCAR for battle first and m1a second . </div></div>
Wow, this site is full of trolls now.
BF3 is a good game, but I also run and gun with an M240B in it so I guess we can't rely on it for an accurate simulation of the SCAR...
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after using the M21 in Iraq and owning 4 of them, years of using the FAL and owning 5 of them, the SCAR17 I own is my favorite rifle by far, accuracy is .75 MOA, I put in a timney trigger and made a word of difference, I converted 20 FAL magazines to fit it when Scar mags were crazy priced, my good friend is in final production of a Aluminium Scar lower that takes AR10 mags ; "stryker Industries" once that is taken care of only thing left on Scar 17 is barrel availibility.
after using the M21 in Iraq and owning 4 of them, years of using the FAL and owning 5 of them, the SCAR17 I own is my favorite rifle by far, accuracy is .75 MOA, I put in a timney trigger and made a word of difference, I converted 20 FAL magazines to fit it when Scar mags were crazy priced, my good friend is in final production of a Aluminium Scar lower that takes AR10 mags ; "stryker Industries" once that is taken care of only thing left on Scar 17 is barrel availibility.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Albino Rhino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have fired a M1A much more than the SCAR but I would go with the SCAR based on the ergo dynamics, perceived recoil and weight. All this is subjective, so take it with a grain of salt. </div></div>
Come on now ya rascally rabbit yer just makin shit up now, "ergo dynamics" that's a goo won
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Albino Rhino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have fired a M1A much more than the SCAR but I would go with the SCAR based on the ergo dynamics, perceived recoil and weight. All this is subjective, so take it with a grain of salt. </div></div>
Come on now ya rascally rabbit yer just makin shit up now, "ergo dynamics" that's a goo won
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
The problem with the FAL is that there is no alignment with optics because the stock is the wrong shape. They are just not actually optics compatible, even though you can get a scope rail for them. You can put a RDS on them if you don't care about having a cheek weld (but I do care). In theory, an aftermarket stock can fix this, but I have never seen one I liked.
I would say the choices are SCAR 17, MWS (too heavy for me), SR25, PredatAR.
The problem with the FAL is that there is no alignment with optics because the stock is the wrong shape. They are just not actually optics compatible, even though you can get a scope rail for them. You can put a RDS on them if you don't care about having a cheek weld (but I do care). In theory, an aftermarket stock can fix this, but I have never seen one I liked.
I would say the choices are SCAR 17, MWS (too heavy for me), SR25, PredatAR.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7.62gunr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not only is the SCAR better, there are MANY 7.62 weapons better suited as an MBR than the M14. </div></div>
Yep, like an HK G3 or a FAL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7.62gunr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not only is the SCAR better, there are MANY 7.62 weapons better suited as an MBR than the M14. </div></div>
Yep, like an HK G3 or a FAL
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oh please do tell me how a scar is so much better then a m14 EBR? i like the MWS, OBR, and GAP10 too but i want to hear this scar argument cuz it always amuses me. i had a scar 17, i work with scar 17's... i have a EBR in my safe
oh please do tell me how a scar is so much better then a m14 EBR? i like the MWS, OBR, and GAP10 too but i want to hear this scar argument cuz it always amuses me. i had a scar 17, i work with scar 17's... i have a EBR in my safe
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They each have their issues.
FAL: Great overall - probably my favorite. Problems include no way to get a decent trigger and cheek weld is not compatible with optics.
G3: Excessive recoil and cheek weld not compatible with optics.
M14: Scope mounts kludgy in how they attach. Also no good cheek weld.
Basically all of these were invented before optics were a requirement.
The SCAR 17 is optical compatible, light, and accurate - and clearly is better than the FAL, G3, and M14 - though costs twice as much as the FAL.
The best choices are now:
SCAR 17
LaRue
SR-25
LMT
But again, they cost a bunch more than a DSA FAL.
They each have their issues.
FAL: Great overall - probably my favorite. Problems include no way to get a decent trigger and cheek weld is not compatible with optics.
G3: Excessive recoil and cheek weld not compatible with optics.
M14: Scope mounts kludgy in how they attach. Also no good cheek weld.
Basically all of these were invented before optics were a requirement.
The SCAR 17 is optical compatible, light, and accurate - and clearly is better than the FAL, G3, and M14 - though costs twice as much as the FAL.
The best choices are now:
SCAR 17
LaRue
SR-25
LMT
But again, they cost a bunch more than a DSA FAL.
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How many rounds do you have thought a scar? And how many diferent scars have u shot?
How many rounds do you have thought a scar? And how many diferent scars have u shot?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many rounds do you have thought a scar? And how many diferent scars have u shot? </div></div>
According to COD and BF3 I've got about 80,000 round through the scar H. Its the best weapon ever made!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many rounds do you have thought a scar? And how many diferent scars have u shot? </div></div>
According to COD and BF3 I've got about 80,000 round through the scar H. Its the best weapon ever made!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7.62gunr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not only is the SCAR better, there are MANY 7.62 weapons better suited as an MBR than the M14. </div></div>
Yep your right, and to-date the AK 47 is the weapon of choice.
What may I ask is you experience with a M14 in battle. Second question if I may, if the first answer is yes, were you just handed it or were you fully trained on it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7.62gunr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not only is the SCAR better, there are MANY 7.62 weapons better suited as an MBR than the M14. </div></div>
Yep your right, and to-date the AK 47 is the weapon of choice.
What may I ask is you experience with a M14 in battle. Second question if I may, if the first answer is yes, were you just handed it or were you fully trained on it?
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
I can't believe I'm even posting in this thread. But here goes. I have a SCAR 16 and will get a SCAR 17 at some point. God willing the left doesn't stop me.
In disclosure, I think the SCAR is a very exciting platform. It is a real attempt to address some issues of the AR platform.
But some people, and maybe they are current or former service, are jumping back and forth between AR, OBR and using the term as if they are the same rifle?
They ain't. The OBR is a precision rifle. As such, it's not what I would call a modern assault rifle. The 308 ARs are kinda-pigish in this regard. That's the big issue with them and the motivation (ill fated) to run ARs in 6.8. It was an attempt to get more arse than the 5.56 but save weight. That is MY opinion. And I believe the SCAR 17 kills that concept.
Taking a 308 AR, or an OBR or REPR, and running it like an assault rifle is the long way around to the barn door. Sure, I could do it. AND HAVE. But with 5.56 ARs or SCAR 17's, not anymore. The SCAR just kills as a 308 assault rifle.
As a precision rifle like the OBR vs SCAR, no. The OBR wins. But rifles like the OBR and REPR and the summation of 40 years of AR development. The SCAR has been around for 5 minutes. Hell, the SCAR Precision platform hasn't even hit the states officially yet. It's got big differences over the SCAR-H.
So I think the SCAR Precision can top a OBR in accuracy? I doubt it. But Colt isn't making the OBR, some dude with lots of potential names LaRue is (sic).
If the SCAR survives, I would be very interested to see what third party venders come up with 5-10-20 years down the line.
As for the M1A/M14...I'll admit it. To me, it's a pig. Heavy. No modern ergominics. Can I make it work? Sure...as a Precision Rifle, maybe. Never did that with a M1A. But I could. As for an assault rifle, my SCAR will smoke it. Not even close.
TTR
I can't believe I'm even posting in this thread. But here goes. I have a SCAR 16 and will get a SCAR 17 at some point. God willing the left doesn't stop me.
In disclosure, I think the SCAR is a very exciting platform. It is a real attempt to address some issues of the AR platform.
But some people, and maybe they are current or former service, are jumping back and forth between AR, OBR and using the term as if they are the same rifle?
They ain't. The OBR is a precision rifle. As such, it's not what I would call a modern assault rifle. The 308 ARs are kinda-pigish in this regard. That's the big issue with them and the motivation (ill fated) to run ARs in 6.8. It was an attempt to get more arse than the 5.56 but save weight. That is MY opinion. And I believe the SCAR 17 kills that concept.
Taking a 308 AR, or an OBR or REPR, and running it like an assault rifle is the long way around to the barn door. Sure, I could do it. AND HAVE. But with 5.56 ARs or SCAR 17's, not anymore. The SCAR just kills as a 308 assault rifle.
As a precision rifle like the OBR vs SCAR, no. The OBR wins. But rifles like the OBR and REPR and the summation of 40 years of AR development. The SCAR has been around for 5 minutes. Hell, the SCAR Precision platform hasn't even hit the states officially yet. It's got big differences over the SCAR-H.
So I think the SCAR Precision can top a OBR in accuracy? I doubt it. But Colt isn't making the OBR, some dude with lots of potential names LaRue is (sic).
If the SCAR survives, I would be very interested to see what third party venders come up with 5-10-20 years down the line.
As for the M1A/M14...I'll admit it. To me, it's a pig. Heavy. No modern ergominics. Can I make it work? Sure...as a Precision Rifle, maybe. Never did that with a M1A. But I could. As for an assault rifle, my SCAR will smoke it. Not even close.
TTR
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
Your high, and a OBR or MWS is just as much a assault rifle as a scar. The excuse that a scar is a battle rifle and not a precision rifle is a scab excuse as to the accuracy of the scar. The ergos on the scar suck, you guys crack me up. not the mention the scar has been in development for almost a decade now, god i love the "its a new gun it will fix itself"
socom has gone back and threatened to cancel the program 3 times already to FN. They canceled the scar16 project. The rifle does have potential if i was to swap out lower and trigger, put in a billet selector, rail extention, change the buttstock, the cheap plastic sights, charging handle... oh wait now your 2700 dollar gun is now a 4000 dollar gun.
the m1a isn't a perfect gun but it is a true battle rifle as its been around for almost 100 years and still kicking, its still just as valid. There is a reason for that just like the 1911.
when you are in combat you don't want a plastic lower, held together by C-clips and small pins. even a ar15/10 lower is simpler then a scar lower. the gun has to run wet or it has failure to feed issues. its had POI shift issues, the buttstocks have been fixed three times. the charging handles break and the stock selector sucks.
i love how hard you guys defend this rifle, if you like it fine enjoy it thats all that matters but don't feed this site your bullshit about how its a better rifle then a ar10/m1a/ etc cuz your opinion is subjective to what you consider "better"
ergos are subjective. I can show you 10 AAR"s on that gun from downrange from at least 5 different SOCOM units that all say these things about that gun. oh but excuse me its a "battle rifle" bla give me a break.
Your high, and a OBR or MWS is just as much a assault rifle as a scar. The excuse that a scar is a battle rifle and not a precision rifle is a scab excuse as to the accuracy of the scar. The ergos on the scar suck, you guys crack me up. not the mention the scar has been in development for almost a decade now, god i love the "its a new gun it will fix itself"
socom has gone back and threatened to cancel the program 3 times already to FN. They canceled the scar16 project. The rifle does have potential if i was to swap out lower and trigger, put in a billet selector, rail extention, change the buttstock, the cheap plastic sights, charging handle... oh wait now your 2700 dollar gun is now a 4000 dollar gun.
the m1a isn't a perfect gun but it is a true battle rifle as its been around for almost 100 years and still kicking, its still just as valid. There is a reason for that just like the 1911.
when you are in combat you don't want a plastic lower, held together by C-clips and small pins. even a ar15/10 lower is simpler then a scar lower. the gun has to run wet or it has failure to feed issues. its had POI shift issues, the buttstocks have been fixed three times. the charging handles break and the stock selector sucks.
i love how hard you guys defend this rifle, if you like it fine enjoy it thats all that matters but don't feed this site your bullshit about how its a better rifle then a ar10/m1a/ etc cuz your opinion is subjective to what you consider "better"
ergos are subjective. I can show you 10 AAR"s on that gun from downrange from at least 5 different SOCOM units that all say these things about that gun. oh but excuse me its a "battle rifle" bla give me a break.
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Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i love how hard you guys defend this rifle, if you like it fine enjoy it thats all that matters but don't feed this site your bullshit about how its a better rifle then a ar10/m1a/ etc cuz your opinion is subjective to what you consider "better"
ergos are subjective. I can show you 10 AAR"s on that gun from downrange from at least 5 different SOCOM units that all say these things about that gun. oh but excuse me its a "battle rifle" bla give me a break.
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Your trying to inject logic and truth to most, who have never had the latitude/ability to choose the weapon they wanted to carry, and live past first contact.
Uncle issued AR10's back in 65-66 but the first batch had major barrel issues and the "C" style cocking piece flat ass sucked. The remaining choice was Korean or Congo issue, 7188 Remington(a little later), FNFAL, AK-47, AR-15/xm177e-1/2(yes they were marked that way)Or M14.
Many guys took the 14 train, and from the looks of things that old bitch is still dealing it out. I have a phobia about the AR platform that was intrenched long ago.
That said I have used one more than once, but they ain't my first choice for a real step off. Those who say they (M14, family) are two heavy, well I guess that's subjective. I've toted a pig, 81 tube an base, food for it, and 50's. Trust me if you have a choice to run point, or drag the line. You'll choose point with a M14 very quick, but then again doing something over reading about it, watching a past walker on the tube, or playing some game, is help full too,.....I guess.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i love how hard you guys defend this rifle, if you like it fine enjoy it thats all that matters but don't feed this site your bullshit about how its a better rifle then a ar10/m1a/ etc cuz your opinion is subjective to what you consider "better"
ergos are subjective. I can show you 10 AAR"s on that gun from downrange from at least 5 different SOCOM units that all say these things about that gun. oh but excuse me its a "battle rifle" bla give me a break.
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Your trying to inject logic and truth to most, who have never had the latitude/ability to choose the weapon they wanted to carry, and live past first contact.
Uncle issued AR10's back in 65-66 but the first batch had major barrel issues and the "C" style cocking piece flat ass sucked. The remaining choice was Korean or Congo issue, 7188 Remington(a little later), FNFAL, AK-47, AR-15/xm177e-1/2(yes they were marked that way)Or M14.
Many guys took the 14 train, and from the looks of things that old bitch is still dealing it out. I have a phobia about the AR platform that was intrenched long ago.
That said I have used one more than once, but they ain't my first choice for a real step off. Those who say they (M14, family) are two heavy, well I guess that's subjective. I've toted a pig, 81 tube an base, food for it, and 50's. Trust me if you have a choice to run point, or drag the line. You'll choose point with a M14 very quick, but then again doing something over reading about it, watching a past walker on the tube, or playing some game, is help full too,.....I guess.
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
I have an M21. And I don't see how you can compare it to a Scar. They are completely different platforms designed generations apart.
The M14 has been putting bad guys in the dirt for 60years. You can use motor oil from your truck to grease it. You really don't need optics on it. Its got the best irons ever designed. Its was, and always will be a battle rifle. And it works excellent as a club if you ever run out of ammo.
The Scar is obviously going to have better ergonomics. Its a modern gun designed when modern materials were available. Add a high end optic and your at 5-6 thousand? I bet my last dollar if you had your rifle outside and it began to rain you would scramble for cover so your new (ergonomic) Scar doesn't get wet.
I have an M21. And I don't see how you can compare it to a Scar. They are completely different platforms designed generations apart.
The M14 has been putting bad guys in the dirt for 60years. You can use motor oil from your truck to grease it. You really don't need optics on it. Its got the best irons ever designed. Its was, and always will be a battle rifle. And it works excellent as a club if you ever run out of ammo.
The Scar is obviously going to have better ergonomics. Its a modern gun designed when modern materials were available. Add a high end optic and your at 5-6 thousand? I bet my last dollar if you had your rifle outside and it began to rain you would scramble for cover so your new (ergonomic) Scar doesn't get wet.
Re: SCAR 17S vs M1A
LOL maybe i purchased a SCAR in 5.56 for wife and a 308 for me wish i had bought the 308 in a M1A national match. I will someday still get one because you are absolutely correct different missions and different guns.
LOL maybe i purchased a SCAR in 5.56 for wife and a 308 for me wish i had bought the 308 in a M1A national match. I will someday still get one because you are absolutely correct different missions and different guns.
